I know $40,000 is a lot of money to you , so...

[~Ray]

I know $40,000 is a lot of money to you , so...

I will build you a 30 site se matrix. I will buy the domains. I will host it and use my scripts.

I want $2500 setup fee and 1/2 monthly profits.

You get...

Traffic forever going to

The keywords of your choice:
30 domains , 15 pages per domain = 450 keywords
I handle all of the setup.. you pick the keywords and I send all of the traffic to a middle page which you control.

Most traffic will be from Yahoo.

I keep the sites online and flowing with as much targeted se traffic as possible. No traffic leaks.

I cannot design. I cannot program. I can market.

This is in reference to:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=438591

~Ray
icq 94994627
[email protected]

[Trax]

I want "poker" "porn" & "mortage"

[luv$]

Neato...

[Pleasurepays]

this is like asking people to sell Mary Kay cosmetics. "all you need to do is to invest in this $500.00 starter kit and...."

if your services were worth anything, why wouldn't you just do it yourself and make 100%?

[Chio The Pirate]

this is like asking people to sell Mary Kay cosmetics. "all you need to do is to invest in this $500.00 starter kit and...."

if your services were worth anything, why wouldn't you just do it yourself and make 100%?

YARGH! it be a good question.

[tranza]

Lol, did you get any takers?

[Manowar]

this is like asking people to sell Mary Kay cosmetics. "all you need to do is to invest in this $500.00 starter kit and...."

if your services were worth anything, why wouldn't you just do it yourself and make 100%?

Seconded.

[Sly]

Why would you do ALL the work for only 50% of the profit? Just for the $2.5k up-front?

[TurboAngel]

this is like asking people to sell Mary Kay cosmetics. "all you need to do is to invest in this $500.00 starter kit and...."

if your services were worth anything, why wouldn't you just do it yourself and make 100%?

[Rorschach]

sounds like a great deal... not.

[Rorschach]

for $2.5K, even if you knew nothing about SEs, you could get a consultation with one of the several SEOs who offer such a service, and have enough left over for your own custom programming... and then you own it all outright, instead of getting half the traffic off domains owned and hosted by someone else.

[nastyking]

i sell short uins

[tungsten]

this is like asking people to sell Mary Kay cosmetics. "all you need to do is to invest in this $500.00 starter kit and...."

if your services were worth anything, why wouldn't you just do it yourself and make 100%?

exactly my question

[~Ray]

this is like asking people to sell Mary Kay cosmetics. "all you need to do is to invest in this $500.00 starter kit and...."

if your services were worth anything, why wouldn't you just do it yourself and make 100%?

I do it for a living and make 100% already
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=438591

The $2500 covers my labor, buying the 30 domains, hosting 30 domains, content for 30 domains (4 different pictures per page, 15 pages per domain, 30 domains), and the use of my scripts and techniques on all 30 domains...the 50% is recurring income that I have been lacking since I switched to a PPS program.

Damn, you're right... that's a lot of work. I should reconsider my offer.

~Ray

[XPorn]

Well if you know yahoo and wanna make some quick $ by answering a few questions....

icq 39296532

[Antonio]

........
Damn, you're right... that's a lot of work. I should reconsider my offer.
........

Oh, yes, you should. Do you want to know why? Well, let me tell you why:

1. You want $2500.00 in advance with NO GUARANTEE whatsoever that I'll get ANYTHING in return.
2. You want $2500.00 in advance for something that YOU have 100% control of - the domains are registered on YOUR name, YOU host them etc.




How about this: you send me $2500.00 and I'll show you how to make $2500.00 a month. Can I do that? Yes, I can. Do you have ANY GUARANTEE that I'm going to do that? No, you don't. Do you have any guarantee that I'm not going to spend all the money on hookers, and tell you to fuck off? No, you don't!!!

So, my question to you is, are you going to send me the money or not?

[Antonio]

p.s.
I'm not saying that you're trying to rip people off, all I'm saying is that you should try to make the deal more attractive to the potential buyer. Just my 2c

[shuki]

I know $40,000 is a lot of money to you , so...

I will build you a 30 site se matrix. I will buy the domains. I will host it and use my scripts.

I want $2500 setup fee and 1/2 monthly profits.

You get...

Traffic forever going to

The keywords of your choice:
30 domains , 15 pages per domain = 450 keywords
I handle all of the setup.. you pick the keywords and I send all of the traffic to a middle page which you control.

Most traffic will be from Yahoo.

I keep the sites online and flowing with as much targeted se traffic as possible. No traffic leaks.

I cannot design. I cannot program. I can market.

This is in reference to:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=438591

~Ray
icq 94994627
[email protected]

Ray,

Can you send me an e-mail please.

I seem to be having a problem sending e-mail from the computer I am at via my webmail. I am awaiting my computer to arrive otherwise I would just send you an icq but I do not have it on this machine.

My contact info is in my sig.

Thanks

[~Ray]

Oh, yes, you should. Do you want to know why? Well, let me tell you why:

1. You want $2500.00 in advance with NO GUARANTEE whatsoever that I'll get ANYTHING in return.
2. You want $2500.00 in advance for something that YOU have 100% control of - the domains are registered on YOUR name, YOU host them etc.




How about this: you send me $2500.00 and I'll show you how to make $2500.00 a month. Can I do that? Yes, I can. Do you have ANY GUARANTEE that I'm going to do that? No, you don't. Do you have any guarantee that I'm not going to spend all the money on hookers, and tell you to fuck off? No, you don't!!!

So, my question to you is, are you going to send me the money or not?

If you pay more than $2500 a month on se ppc, then this would be a good deal.

I get this for free... I don't see whay it would be any different for you.
Last month's se traffic on one of my smaller domains:
http://www.magazinefestival.org/wsta...ch_200502.html

However fast you can recoup the cost depends of the quality of your website and it's retention %

~Ray

[Antonio]

If you pay more than $2500 a month on se ppc, then this would be a good deal.

I get this for free... I don't see whay it would be any different for you.
Last month's se traffic on one of my smaller domains:
http://www.magazinefestival.org/wsta...ch_200502.html

However fast you can recoup the cost depends of the quality of your website and it's retention %

~Ray

I don't quiestion your skills.

What I'm trying to tell you is that you should make the downpayment smaller, and cosider say monthly fixed payments on top of your 50% cut (just an idea). That way you'll get more takers IMO....

Anyway, good luck

[beemk]

this is like asking people to sell Mary Kay cosmetics. "all you need to do is to invest in this $500.00 starter kit and...."

if your services were worth anything, why wouldn't you just do it yourself and make 100%?

word....

[imafuckingaussie]

I was considering the purchase that you offered on GFY. However, I really dont know how to safeguard the purchase at all. I mean how do you? You take a gamble I guess or you fly and meet with you and see your checks and see the stuff in person. Otherwise you are paying 40 grand for your word that the sites will make X ammount of money. I'm not saying you arent honest, but how do you know the stuff is gonna make any money at all until after you pay the 40k? I wouldnt like to lose that money, but on the other hand the deal does seem sweet, but that could be just a really good sales job. Again, I'm not saying you arent the real deal, but they always say if something is too good to be true.......

[Alex]

Thats kind of a stupid question to ask

Why dont designers all design for themseleves and keep 100% of the profit
Why dont traffic brookers sent all of it to thier own affiliate links
Why dont Content Providers use content for thier own paysites.

[Lykos]

I know a Ray long,long time,and he is regular buyer for my exclusive content so i am sure he is not trying to rip off anyone,and i am sure this is great&honest offer so i would contact u on ICQ right away!

[crockett]

The problem with your deal is.. assuming you can deliver on the traffic..They are spending all the money and then you own the domains and the server.. So at any point you could take over the domains and add your own links.

It's like paying someone to screw you IMO.

[Thomas1007]

YARGH! it be a good question.

need custom programming? - see sig

[Pleasurepays]

I do it for a living and make 100% already
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=438591

The $2500 covers my labor, buying the 30 domains, hosting 30 domains, content for 30 domains (4 different pictures per page, 15 pages per domain, 30 domains), and the use of my scripts and techniques on all 30 domains...the 50% is recurring income that I have been lacking since I switched to a PPS program.

Damn, you're right... that's a lot of work. I should reconsider my offer.

~Ray

that makes no sense. you do it for yourself for 100% of the returns.... but now you want to invest your time, break even on costs and expenses and do it for other people for 50% of the returns.

one of us needs a business advisor.

[Pleasurepays]

Thats kind of a stupid question to ask

Why dont designers all design for themseleves and keep 100% of the profit

Why dont traffic brookers sent all of it to thier own affiliate links

Why dont Content Providers use content for thier own paysites.

Why dont designers all design for themseleves and keep 100% of the profit

you honestly do not see the difference between knowing photoshop and running and maintaining a network of paysites?

Let's continue with your flawed logic and keep asking the same rediculous questions... "why doesn't a designer just Learn Maya, 3D Studio Max, Linux, SQL, PHP, ASP, .NET, C++, PERL and create a flight reservation system for Luftansa and American Airlines and host it himself, manage the servers and provide technical support while updating the content, the designs and handling all customer support calls?... because obviously he would make a lot of money!"

Why dont Content Providers use content for thier own paysites.

see above, only substitute "photoshop" with "camera" where appropriate

Why dont traffic brookers sent all of it to thier own affiliate links

two reasons.

first, its too much unnecessary work.

second, its unnecessary work because people will always pay more for traffic than its worth and it is less headaches to sell it than to manage it, filter it and optimize its value... usually, they will pay cash upfront. why does MSN sell traffic for .25/click?... because idiots will pay for it.



any more challenging questions on Web Business 101? this is kinda fun.

I am not saying he is not a nice guy with good intentions. I am just saying that this is a little fishy and apparently others agree. what idiot who wants to get in business and make money, wants to invest in a project where "some guy" owns all the domains he is driving traffic to and what type of person would expect someone to agree to that?

Even the pirate agrees its silly.

[gleem]

most interesting.. I'm too curious not to bite, and I'd bite assuming for $2500 it's on my server with my domains ;)

[fuzebox]

Even the pirate agrees its silly.

OMG HEH

[~Ray]

any more challenging questions on Web Business 101? this is kinda fun.

I am not saying he is not a nice guy with good intentions. I am just saying that this is a little fishy and apparently others agree. what idiot who wants to get in business and make money, wants to invest in a project where "some guy" owns all the domains he is driving traffic to and what type of person would expect someone to agree to that?

Even the pirate agrees its silly.

How are you going to get search engine traffic?

Are you going to go the PPC route?

Are you going to spend $2500+ a month for targeted se traffic or are you going to pay $2500 1 time and reap the same targeted se traffic each month?

The 50% assures that I keep the traffic going or I don't make any recurring money.. The initial $2500 covers the cost of my labor, domains, content with some left over as profit.

This is simply an alternative to PPC programs if you want se traffic. You control the page the traffic is sent to. No stupid Overture rules.

~Ray

[woj]

I must have missed something, but I still don't see ANY reason why you wouldn't do it yourself and make 100%?

[Pleasurepays]

How are you going to get search engine traffic?

Are you going to go the PPC route?

Are you going to spend $2500+ a month for targeted se traffic or are you going to pay $2500 1 time and reap the same targeted se traffic each month?

The 50% assures that I keep the traffic going or I don't make any recurring money.. The initial $2500 covers the cost of my labor, domains, content with some left over as profit.

This is simply an alternative to PPC programs if you want se traffic. You control the page the traffic is sent to. No stupid Overture rules.

~Ray

ok. lets do this.

1) My company buys all domains and my company will own them
2) My company owns all pages and the traffic that goes to them
3) My company will supply exclusive content and designs
4) My company will pay you $40.00 per join
5) We will sign an agreement detailing our arrangement that is based on performance.
6) If you can't generate 2500.00 in signups in some reasonable period of time spelled out in the agreement, you will pay back the balance to me with your own money.

[~Ray]

ok. lets do this.

1) My company buys all domains and my company will own them
2) My company owns all pages and the traffic that goes to them
3) My company will supply exclusive content and designs
4) My company will pay you $40.00 per join
5) We will sign an agreement detailing our arrangement that is based on performance.
6) If you can't generate 2500.00 in signups in some reasonable period of time spelled out in the agreement, you will pay back the balance to me with your own money.

You tried to "skirt" around my simple questions..

How are you going to get search engine traffic?

Are you going to go the PPC route?

Are you going to spend $2500+ a month for targeted se traffic or are you going to pay $2500 1 time and reap the same targeted se traffic each month?





some people seem to think it's easy setting up a search engine network. Yet, I see no one doing it.

weird.

~Ray

[JFPdude]

I must have missed something, but I still don't see ANY reason why you wouldn't do it yourself and make 100%?

He is and has done it himself ....

Don't people read?

It's there it's done it's making money.

Now.

He wants to sell it so he can invest in more. He will build it again the same way he did the first time.

His offer for all the people that are buying premade traffic is out there.

I know what his network is doing and I also know why he's selling.

He's building his own affiliate program. He has stated this.

If you want a premade network all setup and making money hit him up.

[~Ray]

He is and has done it himself ....

Don't people read?

It's there it's done it's making money.

Now.

He wants to sell it so he can invest in more. He will build it again the same way he did the first time.

His offer for all the people that are buying premade traffic is out there.

I know what his network is doing and I also know why he's selling.

He's building his own affiliate program. He has stated this.

If you want a premade network all setup and making money hit him up.

If I were offering this service for $250, then everyone would be all over it. So basically, it's about $$$. Imagine that.

See ya in the SERPs...or will I?

~Ray

P.S. Thanks for the nice post Mark (jfpdude)

[Basic_man]

If anybody need a designer, they can hit up us @ http://www.simplyadultdesign.com !

[BaldBastard]

Currently I push just on 150k a day in Se traffic most of it in loans and casinos and have been doing for for the past 8 years, I have over 3000 domains and have always made more than 40k a month. No staff, no affliate program, just pure seo traffic.

I love nothing better than cocks that think there hot, then you look at there traffic and reliase the seo traffic there getting is usually for celebs or kiddy porn, this does not make you good, its just areas that people who really know there stuff don't touch.

If your going to spend $2.5k on a service like this your NUTS.

Take any crap domain, buy $2.5k in back links ( not traffic ) and your in, Google and Yahoo have never been easier.

[~Ray]

Currently I push just on 150k a day in Se traffic most of it in loans and casinos and have been doing for for the past 8 years, I have over 3000 domains and have always made more than 40k a month. No staff, no affliate program, just pure seo traffic.

I love nothing better than cocks that think there hot, then you look at there traffic and reliase the seo traffic there getting is usually for celebs or kiddy porn, this does not make you good, its just areas that people who really know there stuff don't touch.

If your going to spend $2.5k on a service like this your NUTS.

Take any crap domain, buy $2.5k in back links ( not traffic ) and your in, Google and Yahoo have never been easier.

If you are so "l33t". Then why do you simply dismiss the whole celebrity genre since it's SO EASY to get?

The fact that you own 3000 domains shows me that you simply reg expired domains and put up a ppc page like that wang dang guy in Hong Kong.

Then, you got lucky and got some good serps based on other peoples work in linking the site..before they let it expire.

I have no links on any of my pages that are not mine. No traffic leaks. All backlinks are mine... (well, you really can't control everyone who links to you)

I don't need to trade links with other site owners to obtain good serps. You do.


Am I wrong? School me OBB.

~Ray

[slapass]

Currently I push just on 150k a day in Se traffic most of it in loans and casinos and have been doing for for the past 8 years, I have over 3000 domains and have always made more than 40k a month. No staff, no affliate program, just pure seo traffic.

I love nothing better than cocks that think there hot, then you look at there traffic and reliase the seo traffic there getting is usually for celebs or kiddy porn, this does not make you good, its just areas that people who really know there stuff don't touch.

If your going to spend $2.5k on a service like this your NUTS.

Take any crap domain, buy $2.5k in back links ( not traffic ) and your in, Google and Yahoo have never been easier.

Thanks!

[XM]

Currently I push just on 150k a day in Se traffic most of it in loans and casinos and have been doing for for the past 8 years, I have over 3000 domains and have always made more than 40k a month.

That must be extremely untargeted traffic - you should be making somewhere from $1 per 50 hits with averagely targeted adult kwds to $1 per hit with almost anything nonadult and properly targeted. Or that means casinos and loans traffic sucks so bad, thanks for advice

XM

[Dusen]

Currently I push just on 150k a day in Se traffic most of it in loans and casinos and have been doing for for the past 8 years, I have over 3000 domains and have always made more than 40k a month. No staff, no affliate program, just pure seo traffic.

I love nothing better than cocks that think there hot, then you look at there traffic and reliase the seo traffic there getting is usually for celebs or kiddy porn, this does not make you good, its just areas that people who really know there stuff don't touch.

If your going to spend $2.5k on a service like this your NUTS.

Take any crap domain, buy $2.5k in back links ( not traffic ) and your in, Google and Yahoo have never been easier.

Hit me up on ICQ if you get a minute. 372 14 60. I'm looking to buy anchor links.

[BaldBastard]

The reason I don't like to touch celeb traffic is a little thing called legal liability. Maybe its the pot calling the kettle black here as I do have some celeb traffic, but I would never try and sell those domains though.
I don't have any expired domains left I think, I did go down that route a few years ago but got out once the dogs arrived.
I don't exchange links with other people as a rule, I have done a few mainly with friends when I have been experimenting less than 30 in my entire network though. I do submit domains to places like Dmoz and Yahoo so that is kind of a link exchange I guess, I like to have one decent domain for every 20 I build and use these to feed my network. last time I checked I had like 250 Dmoz listings ( I don't edit there either ) Most of my casino domains have more than 1000 incoming links, I never asked for them, I never traded, people just link to my sites hoping that it will increase there rank ;) I prefer to buy good generic domains with some typein value, build a nice, but small site and then build another.

XM ~ nfi
Dusen ~ I don't sell or buy links, but if you do a search on google you will find many places offering them.

[Pleasurepays]

You tried to "skirt" around my simple questions..

How are you going to get search engine traffic?

Are you going to go the PPC route?

Are you going to spend $2500+ a month for targeted se traffic or are you going to pay $2500 1 time and reap the same targeted se traffic each month?

some people seem to think it's easy setting up a search engine network. Yet, I see no one doing it.

weird.

~Ray

now you are being a smartass which is fine except you are piling ignorant comments on top of it while being evasive. its not easy setting up an SE network... many people here DO do it and have for many years. As you know with all your vast expertise, it can dissapear overnight as well. Correct?

Why is anyone going to pay you to own domains and pages and subsequently all the traffic to them? why would i finance you to create traffic that you can ultimately use for yourself 100% while you apparently have no intention of ? why would i pay you 2500.00 when you obviously have no intention of being accountable in any way, shape or form for that 2500.00? what promises will you make? This is what you don't seem to get. I can buy PPC traffic... and i get what i pay for, I own the domains. I own the pages, I own the results. You can't guarantee that i guess. All thats clear is that you want money to cover all costs and you will own everything and you expect a potential partner to operate under the ignorant assumption that you are just going to go through all this in a 50/50 relationship and send traffic to a site that might convert at 1:5000 - and you will be ok with that and you would NEVER have any interest in sending that traffic to a site or program that would convert it at 1:50.

your risk = 0
my risk = 2500.00
my guarantees = 0
your guarantees = you own all domains/traffic

if i buy PPC traffic....

- i spend money
- i get traffic back
- i tweak and play around and get it to convert better each day
- i own everything
- i control the traffic
- i have no risks
- i have no partner
- i am not patiently waiting like an ass for someone else to make me money and hoping the cary through on their promises to help me earn my 2500.00 back and hoping they dont just fuck me and steal all the traffic anyway.

why are you offering something better than PPC traffic?

why do you keep asking that same stupid question as a defense? are you suggesting that you are somehow more reliable than adwords and more dependable than google? i dont get it? if thats your point, you have not done a very good job at making it.

I am not saying you have bad intentions. i am just saying that what you are offering and how you are presenting it makes no sense to anyone. i am sure you are a great guy with great intentions. but this is business and you have to be able to spell out clear benefits and value and make the case. not just ask stupid rhetorical questions like "how are you going to get SE traffic anyway". there are many ways to get traffic and people stick to what they know and understand.

the questions you are failing to answer is "why should anyone trust you?" "why should anyone do business with you?" and "why should anyone spend money on you when you dont seem to want to back up anything you say in writing or offer any guarantees, yet ultimately, you will own all the domains, pages and traffic?"

[~Ray]

now you are being a smartass which is fine except you are piling ignorant comments on top of it while being evasive. its not easy setting up an SE network... many people here DO do it and have for many years. As you know with all your vast expertise, it can dissapear overnight as well. Correct?

Why is anyone going to pay you to own domains and pages and subsequently all the traffic to them? why would i finance you to create traffic that you can ultimately use for yourself 100% while you apparently have no intention of ? why would i pay you 2500.00 when you obviously have no intention of being accountable in any way, shape or form for that 2500.00? what promises will you make? This is what you don't seem to get. I can buy PPC traffic... and i get what i pay for, I own the domains. I own the pages, I own the results. You can't guarantee that i guess. All thats clear is that you want money to cover all costs and you will own everything and you expect a potential partner to operate under the ignorant assumption that you are just going to go through all this in a 50/50 relationship and send traffic to a site that might convert at 1:5000 - and you will be ok with that and you would NEVER have any interest in sending that traffic to a site or program that would convert it at 1:50.

your risk = 0
my risk = 2500.00
my guarantees = 0
your guarantees = you own all domains/traffic

if i buy PPC traffic....

- i spend money
- i get traffic back
- i tweak and play around and get it to convert better each day
- i own everything
- i control the traffic
- i have no risks
- i have no partner
- i am not patiently waiting like an ass for someone else to make me money and hoping the cary through on their promises to help me earn my 2500.00 back and hoping they dont just fuck me and steal all the traffic anyway.

why are you offering something better than PPC traffic?

why do you keep asking that same stupid question as a defense? are you suggesting that you are somehow more reliable than adwords and more dependable than google? i dont get it? if thats your point, you have not done a very good job at making it.

I am not saying you have bad intentions. i am just saying that what you are offering and how you are presenting it makes no sense to anyone. i am sure you are a great guy with great intentions. but this is business and you have to be able to spell out clear benefits and value and make the case. not just ask stupid rhetorical questions like "how are you going to get SE traffic anyway". there are many ways to get traffic and people stick to what they know and understand.

the questions you are failing to answer is "why should anyone trust you?" "why should anyone do business with you?" and "why should anyone spend money on you when you dont seem to want to back up anything you say in writing or offer any guarantees, yet ultimately, you will own all the domains, pages and traffic?"

Here's an alternative...

ten one way keyword links on 900+ pages accross 69 domains.

9k 1 time
or
$1.5k a month

I'll give anyone a free test for a month... send me one link and the keyword... it can even be a brand new page and a brand new domain.

Results in as little as 7 days.

email me the info please with the title GFY POST

[email protected]

If I don't hear from you in a month... I'll take it down.. no harm. no foul.


~Ray