Assuming iBill gets its act together, would you use them again? - GoFuckYourself.com

Project-Shadow · 03-02-2005, 08:51 AM

A business thread.. watch this sink.

Assuming ibill manages to get its shit together and pays its webmasters, would you go back and start using them again? From a sponsor, or webmaster point of view, either is as valid.

I have made sure to stay away from any sponsor that uses iBill as their processor for the past year now. Knowing that it could get worse [I.E You go to ibill.com one day, and you get redirected to some god forsaken war-dialer infested site]

Simple yes or no will do, but more detailed opinions are appriciated :D

Dion · 03-02-2005, 09:02 AM

yah! ibill rocks!

they've paid me over 3 million dollars since i joined the industry.

Manowar · 03-02-2005, 09:04 AM

Depends a lot on who would be running/owning it if they did

Kre8t0r · 03-02-2005, 09:34 AM

I MIGHT start using their beer huggie again if they ever got their shit together..

Forest · 03-02-2005, 09:43 AM

not in a million years

Johny Traffic · 03-02-2005, 09:52 AM

I dont see why not, if it was under new managment and ownership

fl_prn_str · 03-02-2005, 09:52 AM

my magic 8 ball sayes......ask again later.......

LionDollars · 03-02-2005, 09:54 AM

only under totally new management and ownership.

L$

Red Ezra · 03-02-2005, 09:55 AM

no way - once bitten

TheLegacy · 03-02-2005, 09:56 AM

many webmasters I have spoke too it will take a long time to trust them ever again and even then if it was under new management / ownership. They have burned many bridges and those that have lost homes / business's will never forget

brand0n · 03-02-2005, 09:57 AM

fuck no. wouldnt touch em with a 9 foot pole.

d00t · 03-02-2005, 09:57 AM

Assuming your ex-husband gets his act together and promises not to beat you again, would you go back?

ibill is gone, dead and hasn't a chance.

HarlotCash Dyker · 03-02-2005, 10:06 AM

No - They haven't been down the line with their webmasters.

Gottis · 03-02-2005, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d00t

Assuming your ex-husband gets his act together and promises not to beat you again, would you go back?.

You realize how often that happens right?

webspider · 03-02-2005, 10:17 AM

No, the trust is gone.

Zprogramz · 03-02-2005, 10:17 AM

The only epople still using Ibill are the ones making so little money that they have not realized that they have not been paid in months. Only a fucking idiot would ever use them again.

Z

Jace · 03-02-2005, 10:23 AM

they would have to re-establish themselves and prove they are on the right track

it would take me at least 6 month of a AWESOME track record from them to even start considering it again

J.R. · 03-02-2005, 10:36 AM

Never Ever Ever!

Fuck Them!

Forest · 03-02-2005, 10:58 AM

screw me once shame on you

screw me twice shame on me

Sosa · 03-02-2005, 11:15 AM

fuck no I wouldn't use them again

Project-Shadow · 03-02-2005, 11:49 AM

Glad to hear it. I was actually assuming i'd see at least 5-10 posts saying, yeah why not. -_-'

NetRodent · 03-02-2005, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zprogramz

The only epople still using Ibill are the ones making so little money that they have not realized that they have not been paid in months. Only a fucking idiot would ever use them again.

Z

You forget the companies that are owed a LOT of money by iBill. The only way to recoup that debit is to ensure iBill recovers.

TheLegacy · 03-02-2005, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetRodent

You forget the companies that are owed a LOT of money by iBill. The only way to recoup that debit is to ensure iBill recovers.

that may be true - but the question was not concerning recouping - it was if they got their shit back together would you use them. Majority rules NEVER and minority ONLY if new management and owners were in place.

Yet there will always be newbies who have no clue of what they have done who will continue to sign up blindly not knowing what they are getting into.

Doctor Dre · 03-02-2005, 11:57 AM

This won't happen .

NetRodent · 03-02-2005, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

that may be true - but the question was not concerning recouping - it was if they got their shit back together would you use them. Majority rules NEVER and minority ONLY if new management and owners were in place.

I wasn't responding to the original question, but the post I quoted by Zprogramz. As to the original question, if iBill starts consistently paying, we would consider using them again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

Yet there will always be newbies who have no clue of what they have done who will continue to sign up blindly not knowing what they are getting into.

Even if iBill hired PT Barnum's ghost to market for them I doubt there are enough newbies doing enough business to support a billing company.

SomeCreep · 03-02-2005, 12:42 PM

no way, they suck.

Webby · 03-02-2005, 12:42 PM

IF they were under entirely different management...

IF there was no other finance/backing coming from the scam artists (Galanis and Molina to name a few)...

IF there were no shareholdings issued to either IBD, PHSL or any of their associated companies or management..

IF it can be established iBill has finance to conduct it's biz...

IF iBill could demonstrate, as part of a client contract, that they would not be handling actual money and this would be distributed by a reputable third party and audited...

THEN... I'd think about it..

Rich · 03-02-2005, 12:42 PM

Not in a million years. Look at the way Epoch handles problems, and then look at the way ibill handles them. They have no respect for their clients.

tranza · 03-02-2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dion

yah! ibill rocks!

they've paid me over 3 million dollars since i joined the industry.

For some reason I don't believe your words...

Webby · 03-02-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

Not in a million years. Look at the way Epoch handles problems, and then look at the way ibill handles them. They have no respect for their clients.

"There ought to be limits to freedom."

-George W. Bush

Rich.. It ain't often I agree with silly George

But... In respect of iBill, he is 100% right. There should be limits to freedom and in practical terms, that means a few jail cells need filling.

BTW.. I ain't joking - it is time Jason Galanis (and others) experienced the same jail cell treatment his Dad got for his $400mill fraud.

Rich · 03-02-2005, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

Rich.. It ain't often I agree with silly George

But... In respect of iBill, he is 100% right. There should be limits to freedom and in practical terms, that means a few jail cells need filling.

BTW.. I ain't joking - it is time Jason Galanis (and others) experienced the same jail cell treatment his Dad got for his $400mill fraud.

Freedom doesn't mean the right to steal from people.

Boss Traffic Jim · 03-02-2005, 01:24 PM

Never in a million years

SmokeyTheBear · 03-02-2005, 01:26 PM

Thats like asking if you would let your kids sleep over at micheal jacksons house when he gets out of prison.

solonline · 03-02-2005, 01:52 PM

fuk knows why anyone used em in the first place. We had em as 3rd back up processor, and their admin system stank! It was and still is a fucking dinosaur. How any company that made so much and at one time almost controlled adult 3rd party never ever throught of of investing some back into a system that actually worked and (did not require a degree in quantum maths) is beyond me. (If your reading Ibill take a look sometime at all the features on CCBILL - Aamzing what some thought and investment can do )The final turd on this steaming pile of sadness is the unreal way in which they ever coverd their ass leaving 1000s without thier doe. Oh nearly forgot the question would I use em if they got their shit together... probers not.

Webby · 03-02-2005, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

Freedom doesn't mean the right to steal from people.

Agree Rich!

There have been several instances where shit has never been denied by iBill management - (tho they claimed other accusations were false and agreed to provide evident - but failed on each of these as well), - because they could not deny em :-)

Won't say here.. but that shit is criminal and does amount to fraud.

It ain't often I even "wished" a jail sentence on anyone, but in this instance, some need jail time and little doubt this will be on the table in the future, irrespective of the existance of iBill.

Shoplifter · 03-02-2005, 02:20 PM

It depends on what they have to offer and how they go about manifesting their re-branding or whatever it is they may be up to.

I think for most clients they will have to come on as strong as a comped Mardi Gras to even gain any consideration. We're talking fruit baskets, prompt payouts and rep's who answer the phone with "Yes Sir!".

Some of the things I have heard they are up to are interesting, but so far nothing has been substantiated. And our last payout on Dec 16th is beginning to seem like a fuzzy childhood memory.

So the answer is:

If it's done right, yes. Otherwise no.

killshot · 03-02-2005, 02:41 PM

I think It would take years of them being under new management and good business practice for anyone to really trust them again.

I am sure it could be done... but they need to be working harder to make things happen. and pay their clients.

I wonder what they are going to say on March 9th

keyboard warrior · 03-02-2005, 03:00 PM

if they doubled what they owe me for pain and suffering i would entertain the idea of using them.

V_RocKs · 03-03-2005, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LionDollars

only under totally new management and ownership.

L$

What he said.

imageman · 03-03-2005, 07:51 PM

On March 15th it will have been about 6 months since Ibill's old bank withheld all the millions owed. As far as i can see if there is no suspected fraud between Ibill and their bank i see no legal reason why First Data should not release all the outstanding funds? After all the main reason to hold on to them was charge backs which have a life of 6 months maximum, correct?

So if you guys don't see squat on or around the 15th then you have your answer , that is Ibill never ever intends to pay you a dime and its the web 900 fiasco all over again.

The short answer to the original question is " Never, not even if hell freezes over would i trust the name Ibill or any employee who is still working for them "

Rochard · 03-03-2005, 07:53 PM

No. Haven't used them in years because they still owe us money from the 900 crap.

03-03-2005, 07:55 PM

no

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fitzmulti · 03-03-2005, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Project-Shadow

A business thread.. watch this sink.

Simple yes or no will do, but more detailed opinions are appriciated :D

Not for my own sites, but I'd start promoting the ones that I have affiliate programs with...assuming they still used IBILL.

Spunky · 03-03-2005, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest

not in a million years

Indeed...how can you trust them again?

detoxed · 03-03-2005, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imageman

On March 15th it will have been about 6 months since Ibill's old bank withheld all the millions owed. As far as i can see if there is no suspected fraud between Ibill and their bank i see no legal reason why First Data should not release all the outstanding funds? After all the main reason to hold on to them was charge backs which have a life of 6 months maximum, correct?

So if you guys don't see squat on or around the 15th then you have your answer , that is Ibill never ever intends to pay you a dime and its the web 900 fiasco all over again.

The short answer to the original question is " Never, not even if hell freezes over would i trust the name Ibill or any employee who is still working for them "

what if there is no money left, because of all the chargebacks?

Dagwolf · 03-03-2005, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Thats like asking if you would let your kids sleep over at micheal jacksons house when he gets out of prison.

You hit the nail on the head, right there.

Webby · 03-03-2005, 08:21 PM

Mmm.... I've just been reading thru loads of documents on the saga of Jason Woodruff Galanis and his "career" in more ventures than anyone on this board could ever dream up. I doubt Donald Trump could manage their proposed scams.. ah.. investments!

This shit ranges from malls to insurance to drug production (the illegal kind) to fraud - the whole fucking family are at some scam or other!

For a person in his early 30's he seems to have racked up a score, but, that was with his father's money, Molina's money (whatever can be called his money) and all the other scumbags who enter that picture.

There are a string of "associated" scum who have convictions for almost every crime - from securities fraud, theft, felony fraud to more novel side ventures. Odd that they seem to be unable to provide a source of some funds.

I got no doubts now on why banks don't want to deal.

Mmmm.. this sure is one colorful picture :-) And now, a $10 domain called inteca.org?? It's time for the law to take over.

Next!!! Time to get the "real" background on "Doctor" Molina - always a close and trusted friend!!

rowan · 03-03-2005, 10:54 PM

I was considering it a few months ago when they announced that they would be able to process "in region" for Australian webmasters, but I've since decided to give them a wide berth.

It's been a while since any of the "Ibill XXX" people posted their clinical replies on GFY.

Relish XXX · 03-03-2005, 11:49 PM

http://www.forbes.com/ebusiness/2004...22galanis.html

The ibill management seem to be stand up chaps!

Webby · 03-04-2005, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

http://www.forbes.com/ebusiness/2004...22galanis.html

The ibill management seem to be stand up chaps!

No... you are not talking about the management of iBill?? These are just "shareholders". They don't like doing that board stuff - it's too messy and legal

They leave that up to people like Cathy Beardsley who seems to be present at iBill, but claims to have resigned on Feb 14 - she must be clipping Jason's toenails or something. (No offence Cathy - can't blame ya for using the escape hatch!)

Here's another flowery account of the rise of entrepreneur Jason:

http://www.contifairbankssucks.org/F...ne_Article.htm

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Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	Assuming iBill gets its act together, would you use them again? A business thread.. watch this sink. Assuming ibill manages to get its shit together and pays its webmasters, would you go back and start using them again? From a sponsor, or webmaster point of view, either is as valid. I have made sure to stay away from any sponsor that uses iBill as their processor for the past year now. Knowing that it could get worse [I.E You go to ibill.com one day, and you get redirected to some god forsaken war-dialer infested site] Simple yes or no will do, but more detailed opinions are appriciated :D

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Dion Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 473	yah! ibill rocks! they've paid me over 3 million dollars since i joined the industry.

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Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	Depends a lot on who would be running/owning it if they did

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Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 9,005	not in a million years

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Red Ezra redezra.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 4,680	no way - once bitten

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brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	fuck no. wouldnt touch em with a 9 foot pole.

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d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	Assuming your ex-husband gets his act together and promises not to beat you again, would you go back? ibill is gone, dead and hasn't a chance.

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webspider Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 340	No, the trust is gone.

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Zprogramz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,360	The only epople still using Ibill are the ones making so little money that they have not realized that they have not been paid in months. Only a fucking idiot would ever use them again. Z

03-02-2005, 10:23 AM	#17
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	they would have to re-establish themselves and prove they are on the right track it would take me at least 6 month of a AWESOME track record from them to even start considering it again

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J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Never Ever Ever! Fuck Them!

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Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 9,005	screw me once shame on you screw me twice shame on me

03-02-2005, 11:15 AM	#20
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	fuck no I wouldn't use them again

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Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	Glad to hear it. I was actually assuming i'd see at least 5-10 posts saying, yeah why not. -_-'

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SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	no way, they suck. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	IF they were under entirely different management... IF there was no other finance/backing coming from the scam artists (Galanis and Molina to name a few)... IF there were no shareholdings issued to either IBD, PHSL or any of their associated companies or management.. IF it can be established iBill has finance to conduct it's biz... IF iBill could demonstrate, as part of a client contract, that they would not be handling actual money and this would be distributed by a reputable third party and audited... THEN... I'd think about it.. __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat. Last edited by Webby; 03-02-2005 at 12:43 PM..

03-02-2005, 12:42 PM	#28
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Not in a million years. Look at the way Epoch handles problems, and then look at the way ibill handles them. They have no respect for their clients.

03-02-2005, 01:24 PM	#32
Boss Traffic Jim Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,150	Never in a million years

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Thats like asking if you would let your kids sleep over at micheal jacksons house when he gets out of prison. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-02-2005, 01:52 PM	#34
solonline Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: EU- Posts: 718	fuk knows why anyone used em in the first place. We had em as 3rd back up processor, and their admin system stank! It was and still is a fucking dinosaur. How any company that made so much and at one time almost controlled adult 3rd party never ever throught of of investing some back into a system that actually worked and (did not require a degree in quantum maths) is beyond me. (If your reading Ibill take a look sometime at all the features on CCBILL - Aamzing what some thought and investment can do )The final turd on this steaming pile of sadness is the unreal way in which they ever coverd their ass leaving 1000s without thier doe. Oh nearly forgot the question would I use em if they got their shit together... probers not. Last edited by solonline; 03-02-2005 at 01:53 PM..

03-02-2005, 02:20 PM	#36
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,734	It depends on what they have to offer and how they go about manifesting their re-branding or whatever it is they may be up to. I think for most clients they will have to come on as strong as a comped Mardi Gras to even gain any consideration. We're talking fruit baskets, prompt payouts and rep's who answer the phone with "Yes Sir!". Some of the things I have heard they are up to are interesting, but so far nothing has been substantiated. And our last payout on Dec 16th is beginning to seem like a fuzzy childhood memory. So the answer is: If it's done right, yes. Otherwise no.

03-02-2005, 02:41 PM	#37
killshot Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OGG / PDX Posts: 456	I think It would take years of them being under new management and good business practice for anyone to really trust them again. I am sure it could be done... but they need to be working harder to make things happen. and pay their clients. I wonder what they are going to say on March 9th __________________

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keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	if they doubled what they owe me for pain and suffering i would entertain the idea of using them. __________________ - nothing here -

03-03-2005, 07:51 PM	#40
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	How about this On March 15th it will have been about 6 months since Ibill's old bank withheld all the millions owed. As far as i can see if there is no suspected fraud between Ibill and their bank i see no legal reason why First Data should not release all the outstanding funds? After all the main reason to hold on to them was charge backs which have a life of 6 months maximum, correct? So if you guys don't see squat on or around the 15th then you have your answer , that is Ibill never ever intends to pay you a dime and its the web 900 fiasco all over again. The short answer to the original question is " Never, not even if hell freezes over would i trust the name Ibill or any employee who is still working for them "

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,324	No. Haven't used them in years because they still owe us money from the 900 crap. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Mmm.... I've just been reading thru loads of documents on the saga of Jason Woodruff Galanis and his "career" in more ventures than anyone on this board could ever dream up. I doubt Donald Trump could manage their proposed scams.. ah.. investments! This shit ranges from malls to insurance to drug production (the illegal kind) to fraud - the whole fucking family are at some scam or other! For a person in his early 30's he seems to have racked up a score, but, that was with his father's money, Molina's money (whatever can be called his money) and all the other scumbags who enter that picture. There are a string of "associated" scum who have convictions for almost every crime - from securities fraud, theft, felony fraud to more novel side ventures. Odd that they seem to be unable to provide a source of some funds. I got no doubts now on why banks don't want to deal. Mmmm.. this sure is one colorful picture :-) And now, a $10 domain called inteca.org?? It's time for the law to take over. Next!!! Time to get the "real" background on "Doctor" Molina - always a close and trusted friend!! __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

03-03-2005, 10:54 PM	#48
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I was considering it a few months ago when they announced that they would be able to process "in region" for Australian webmasters, but I've since decided to give them a wide berth. It's been a while since any of the "Ibill XXX" people posted their clinical replies on GFY.

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Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	http://www.forbes.com/ebusiness/2004...22galanis.html The ibill management seem to be stand up chaps! __________________