Assuming iBill gets its act together, would you use them again?

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  • Project-Shadow
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2003
    • 7340
    #1

    Assuming iBill gets its act together, would you use them again?

    A business thread.. watch this sink.

    Assuming ibill manages to get its shit together and pays its webmasters, would you go back and start using them again? From a sponsor, or webmaster point of view, either is as valid.

    I have made sure to stay away from any sponsor that uses iBill as their processor for the past year now. Knowing that it could get worse [I.E You go to ibill.com one day, and you get redirected to some god forsaken war-dialer infested site]

    Simple yes or no will do, but more detailed opinions are appriciated :D
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    • Dion
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      • Feb 2005
      • 473
      #2
      yah! ibill rocks!

      they've paid me over 3 million dollars since i joined the industry.
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        • Manowar
          jellyfish  
          • Dec 2003
          • 71528
          #3
          Depends a lot on who would be running/owning it if they did

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            • Kre8t0r
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2003
              • 1304
              #4
              I MIGHT start using their beer huggie again if they ever got their shit together..

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                • Forest
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2001
                  • 9135
                  #5
                  not in a million years

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                    • Johny Traffic
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                      • Apr 2003
                      • 5461
                      #6
                      I dont see why not, if it was under new managment and ownership


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                        • fl_prn_str
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5736
                          #7
                          my magic 8 ball sayes......ask again later.......

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                            • LionDollars
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                              • Nov 2004
                              • 407
                              #8
                              only under totally new management and ownership.

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                                • Red Ezra
                                  redezra.com
                                  • May 2004
                                  • 4680
                                  #9
                                  no way - once bitten

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                                    • TheLegacy
                                      SEO RobertWarrenSEO.com
                                      • Apr 2003
                                      • 18100
                                      #10
                                      many webmasters I have spoke too it will take a long time to trust them ever again and even then if it was under new management / ownership. They have burned many bridges and those that have lost homes / business's will never forget
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                                        • brand0n
                                          been very busy
                                          • Nov 2002
                                          • 26983
                                          #11
                                          fuck no. wouldnt touch em with a 9 foot pole.
                                          want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                            • d00t
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Sep 2002
                                              • 3766
                                              #12
                                              Assuming your ex-husband gets his act together and promises not to beat you again, would you go back?

                                              ibill is gone, dead and hasn't a chance.

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                                                • HarlotCash Dyker
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                  • 1828
                                                  #13
                                                  No - They haven't been down the line with their webmasters.
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                                                    • Gottis
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                                                      • May 2004
                                                      • 1746
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by d00t
                                                      Assuming your ex-husband gets his act together and promises not to beat you again, would you go back?.
                                                      You realize how often that happens right?
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                                                        • webspider
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                          • 340
                                                          #15
                                                          No, the trust is gone.
                                                          Weird Stuff

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                                                            • Zprogramz
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                              • 1360
                                                              #16
                                                              The only epople still using Ibill are the ones making so little money that they have not realized that they have not been paid in months. Only a fucking idiot would ever use them again.

                                                              Z

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                                                                • Jace
                                                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                  • 35562
                                                                  #17
                                                                  they would have to re-establish themselves and prove they are on the right track

                                                                  it would take me at least 6 month of a AWESOME track record from them to even start considering it again

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                                                                    • J.R.
                                                                      WantBoobs.com
                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                      • 3475
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Never Ever Ever!

                                                                      Fuck Them!

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                                                                        • Forest
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                          • 9135
                                                                          #19
                                                                          screw me once shame on you

                                                                          screw me twice shame on me

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                                                                            • Sosa
                                                                              In Tushy Land
                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                              • 40149
                                                                              #20
                                                                              fuck no I wouldn't use them again

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                                                                                • Project-Shadow
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 7340
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Glad to hear it. I was actually assuming i'd see at least 5-10 posts saying, yeah why not. -_-'

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                                                                                    • NetRodent
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                      • 3985
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Zprogramz
                                                                                      The only epople still using Ibill are the ones making so little money that they have not realized that they have not been paid in months. Only a fucking idiot would ever use them again.

                                                                                      Z
                                                                                      You forget the companies that are owed a LOT of money by iBill. The only way to recoup that debit is to ensure iBill recovers.
                                                                                      "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
                                                                                      --H.L. Mencken

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                                                                                        • TheLegacy
                                                                                          SEO RobertWarrenSEO.com
                                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                                          • 18100
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by NetRodent
                                                                                          You forget the companies that are owed a LOT of money by iBill. The only way to recoup that debit is to ensure iBill recovers.

                                                                                          that may be true - but the question was not concerning recouping - it was if they got their shit back together would you use them. Majority rules NEVER and minority ONLY if new management and owners were in place.

                                                                                          Yet there will always be newbies who have no clue of what they have done who will continue to sign up blindly not knowing what they are getting into.
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                                                                                            • Doctor Dre
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 51692
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              This won't happen .
                                                                                              Originally posted by rayadp05
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                                                                                                • NetRodent
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                  • 3985
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheLegacy
                                                                                                  that may be true - but the question was not concerning recouping - it was if they got their shit back together would you use them. Majority rules NEVER and minority ONLY if new management and owners were in place.
                                                                                                  I wasn't responding to the original question, but the post I quoted by Zprogramz. As to the original question, if iBill starts consistently paying, we would consider using them again.

                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheLegacy
                                                                                                  Yet there will always be newbies who have no clue of what they have done who will continue to sign up blindly not knowing what they are getting into.
                                                                                                  Even if iBill hired PT Barnum's ghost to market for them I doubt there are enough newbies doing enough business to support a billing company.
                                                                                                  "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
                                                                                                  --H.L. Mencken

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                                                                                                    • SomeCreep
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                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                      • 26118
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      no way, they suck.

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                                                                                                        • Webby
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                          • 14956
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          IF they were under entirely different management...

                                                                                                          IF there was no other finance/backing coming from the scam artists (Galanis and Molina to name a few)...

                                                                                                          IF there were no shareholdings issued to either IBD, PHSL or any of their associated companies or management..

                                                                                                          IF it can be established iBill has finance to conduct it's biz...

                                                                                                          IF iBill could demonstrate, as part of a client contract, that they would not be handling actual money and this would be distributed by a reputable third party and audited...

                                                                                                          THEN... I'd think about it..
                                                                                                          Last edited by Webby; 03-02-2005, 10:43 AM.
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                                                                                                            • Rich
                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                                              • 11486
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Not in a million years. Look at the way Epoch handles problems, and then look at the way ibill handles them. They have no respect for their clients.

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                                                                                                                • tranza
                                                                                                                  ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                  • 57559
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Dion
                                                                                                                  yah! ibill rocks!

                                                                                                                  they've paid me over 3 million dollars since i joined the industry.
                                                                                                                  For some reason I don't believe your words...
                                                                                                                  I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                    • Webby
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                      • 14956
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                                                      Not in a million years. Look at the way Epoch handles problems, and then look at the way ibill handles them. They have no respect for their clients.

                                                                                                                      "There ought to be limits to freedom."

                                                                                                                      -George W. Bush
                                                                                                                      Rich.. It ain't often I agree with silly George

                                                                                                                      But... In respect of iBill, he is 100% right. There should be limits to freedom and in practical terms, that means a few jail cells need filling.

                                                                                                                      BTW.. I ain't joking - it is time Jason Galanis (and others) experienced the same jail cell treatment his Dad got for his $400mill fraud.
                                                                                                                      Last edited by Webby; 03-02-2005, 10:54 AM.
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                                                                                                                        • Rich
                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                          • 11486
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                                                          Rich.. It ain't often I agree with silly George

                                                                                                                          But... In respect of iBill, he is 100% right. There should be limits to freedom and in practical terms, that means a few jail cells need filling.

                                                                                                                          BTW.. I ain't joking - it is time Jason Galanis (and others) experienced the same jail cell treatment his Dad got for his $400mill fraud.
                                                                                                                          Freedom doesn't mean the right to steal from people.

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                                                                                                                            • Boss Traffic Jim
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                              • 1150
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Never in a million years

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                                                                                                                                • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                  ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 28609
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Thats like asking if you would let your kids sleep over at micheal jacksons house when he gets out of prison.
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                                                                                                                                    • solonline
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 718
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      fuk knows why anyone used em in the first place. We had em as 3rd back up processor, and their admin system stank! It was and still is a fucking dinosaur. How any company that made so much and at one time almost controlled adult 3rd party never ever throught of of investing some back into a system that actually worked and (did not require a degree in quantum maths) is beyond me. (If your reading Ibill take a look sometime at all the features on CCBILL - Aamzing what some thought and investment can do )The final turd on this steaming pile of sadness is the unreal way in which they ever coverd their ass leaving 1000s without thier doe. Oh nearly forgot the question would I use em if they got their shit together... probers not.
                                                                                                                                      Last edited by solonline; 03-02-2005, 11:53 AM.

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                                                                                                                                        • Webby
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 14956
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                                                                          Freedom doesn't mean the right to steal from people.
                                                                                                                                          Agree Rich!

                                                                                                                                          There have been several instances where shit has never been denied by iBill management - (tho they claimed other accusations were false and agreed to provide evident - but failed on each of these as well), - because they could not deny em :-)

                                                                                                                                          Won't say here.. but that shit is criminal and does amount to fraud.

                                                                                                                                          It ain't often I even "wished" a jail sentence on anyone, but in this instance, some need jail time and little doubt this will be on the table in the future, irrespective of the existance of iBill.
                                                                                                                                          XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                                                            • Shoplifter
                                                                                                                                              Richest man in Babylon
                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 5849
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              It depends on what they have to offer and how they go about manifesting their re-branding or whatever it is they may be up to.

                                                                                                                                              I think for most clients they will have to come on as strong as a comped Mardi Gras to even gain any consideration. We're talking fruit baskets, prompt payouts and rep's who answer the phone with "Yes Sir!".

                                                                                                                                              Some of the things I have heard they are up to are interesting, but so far nothing has been substantiated. And our last payout on Dec 16th is beginning to seem like a fuzzy childhood memory.

                                                                                                                                              So the answer is:

                                                                                                                                              If it's done right, yes. Otherwise no.
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                                                                                                                                                • killshot
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 456
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I think It would take years of them being under new management and good business practice for anyone to really trust them again.

                                                                                                                                                  I am sure it could be done... but they need to be working harder to make things happen. and pay their clients.

                                                                                                                                                  I wonder what they are going to say on March 9th

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                                                                                                                                                    • keyboard warrior
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 1435
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      if they doubled what they owe me for pain and suffering i would entertain the idea of using them.
                                                                                                                                                      - nothing here -

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                                                                                                                                                        • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                          Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 32449
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by LionDollars
                                                                                                                                                          only under totally new management and ownership.

                                                                                                                                                          L$
                                                                                                                                                          What he said.

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                                                                                                                                                            • imageman
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 1938
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              How about this

                                                                                                                                                              On March 15th it will have been about 6 months since Ibill's old bank withheld all the millions owed. As far as i can see if there is no suspected fraud between Ibill and their bank i see no legal reason why First Data should not release all the outstanding funds? After all the main reason to hold on to them was charge backs which have a life of 6 months maximum, correct?

                                                                                                                                                              So if you guys don't see squat on or around the 15th then you have your answer , that is Ibill never ever intends to pay you a dime and its the web 900 fiasco all over again.

                                                                                                                                                              The short answer to the original question is " Never, not even if hell freezes over would i trust the name Ibill or any employee who is still working for them "

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                                                                                                                                                                • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  No. Haven't used them in years because they still owe us money from the 900 crap.
                                                                                                                                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                    • buddyjuf
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      no

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                                                                                                                                                                        • fitzmulti
                                                                                                                                                                          I Like Depth Of Field!
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 14861
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Project-Shadow
                                                                                                                                                                          A business thread.. watch this sink.

                                                                                                                                                                          Simple yes or no will do, but more detailed opinions are appriciated :D
                                                                                                                                                                          Not for my own sites, but I'd start promoting the ones that I have affiliate programs with...assuming they still used IBILL.


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                                                                                                                                                                            • Spunky
                                                                                                                                                                              I need a beer
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 133986
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Forest
                                                                                                                                                                              not in a million years
                                                                                                                                                                              Indeed...how can you trust them again?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • detoxed
                                                                                                                                                                                  vip member
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 17798
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by imageman
                                                                                                                                                                                  On March 15th it will have been about 6 months since Ibill's old bank withheld all the millions owed. As far as i can see if there is no suspected fraud between Ibill and their bank i see no legal reason why First Data should not release all the outstanding funds? After all the main reason to hold on to them was charge backs which have a life of 6 months maximum, correct?

                                                                                                                                                                                  So if you guys don't see squat on or around the 15th then you have your answer , that is Ibill never ever intends to pay you a dime and its the web 900 fiasco all over again.

                                                                                                                                                                                  The short answer to the original question is " Never, not even if hell freezes over would i trust the name Ibill or any employee who is still working for them "
                                                                                                                                                                                  what if there is no money left, because of all the chargebacks?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dagwolf
                                                                                                                                                                                      President of Canada
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 23141
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                                                      Thats like asking if you would let your kids sleep over at micheal jacksons house when he gets out of prison.
                                                                                                                                                                                      You hit the nail on the head, right there.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Webby
                                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 14956
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Mmm.... I've just been reading thru loads of documents on the saga of Jason Woodruff Galanis and his "career" in more ventures than anyone on this board could ever dream up. I doubt Donald Trump could manage their proposed scams.. ah.. investments!

                                                                                                                                                                                          This shit ranges from malls to insurance to drug production (the illegal kind) to fraud - the whole fucking family are at some scam or other!

                                                                                                                                                                                          For a person in his early 30's he seems to have racked up a score, but, that was with his father's money, Molina's money (whatever can be called his money) and all the other scumbags who enter that picture.

                                                                                                                                                                                          There are a string of "associated" scum who have convictions for almost every crime - from securities fraud, theft, felony fraud to more novel side ventures. Odd that they seem to be unable to provide a source of some funds.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I got no doubts now on why banks don't want to deal.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Mmmm.. this sure is one colorful picture :-) And now, a $10 domain called inteca.org?? It's time for the law to take over.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Next!!! Time to get the "real" background on "Doctor" Molina - always a close and trusted friend!!
                                                                                                                                                                                          XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • rowan
                                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 17393
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              I was considering it a few months ago when they announced that they would be able to process "in region" for Australian webmasters, but I've since decided to give them a wide berth.

                                                                                                                                                                                              It's been a while since any of the "Ibill XXX" people posted their clinical replies on GFY.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Relish XXX
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 4904
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.forbes.com/ebusiness/2004...22galanis.html

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The ibill management seem to be stand up chaps!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Webby
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 14956
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Relish XXX
                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.forbes.com/ebusiness/2004...22galanis.html

                                                                                                                                                                                                      The ibill management seem to be stand up chaps!
                                                                                                                                                                                                      No... you are not talking about the management of iBill?? These are just "shareholders". They don't like doing that board stuff - it's too messy and legal They leave that up to people like Cathy Beardsley who seems to be present at iBill, but claims to have resigned on Feb 14 - she must be clipping Jason's toenails or something. (No offence Cathy - can't blame ya for using the escape hatch!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Here's another flowery account of the rise of entrepreneur Jason:

                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.contifairbankssucks.org/F...ne_Article.htm
                                                                                                                                                                                                      XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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