no, alot of real-estate would be when I say,"don't pay china"

Um, you said don't pay China a LONG time ago.

peeps stop b/s. it's not worth it http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

yup, I'm a visionary. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

just stoping by to say hello http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif cant believe this thread is still active. almost like another board in here.. wow

can we play russian pinata :-))

Hello everyone.

I am Adult Webmaster from Russia. Well, actually, i think i can call self one of the leaders of legal Russian Webmasters community. I think all of the Russian guys who post on this board know me pretty well. I read this board pretty often, but never posted here before. Many of Russian Webmasters like me only read this board, so even if you do not feel that we are here - we are still here. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Do not be angry at me, that I raise this pretty old topic, unfortunatelly people told me about it only today. And there is no way for me to ignore it.

First of all, I'd like to let everyone know that this topic is NOT offensive in any case to the members of this board. It's not about to tell you "go fuck yourself" or something like that. Yes, i was pissed of after reading this thread, but I do not want to say lots of bad words and other crap. Furthermore, I want try (this is not the first attempt and I guess not the last one, but I still want to try) to put something good in relationships of Russian Webmasters and US Webmasters. I don't name it "between Russian Webmasters and Webmasters from the other countries", because we do not really have big problems with people who work in adult business outside US.

I'm sure only MORONS, IDIOTS and other dumb persons like this virtual war between Russia and US in adult biz.

So, I'd like to explain some things and bring something in to this years-long discuss.

First of all, about % of cheaters between Russian Webmasters. Well, I tell you it's NOT more than between US Webmasters if you take guys who WORK in this biz. You are going to laugh about that? Sounds like bullshit? Then listen here. Which people in US work in this biz? What middle age? I think >90% of US webmasters between age of 20-50. And what do we have here, in Russia?

We have around of 60-70% of guys who are trying to do something in adult biz between 15-18 years old. Guys, we have very different countries. And people here have much less money then in US and oftenly guys who are 15-16 years old MUST get money to have their families alife, to have bread on their tables. But what can they do if they are so young? They usually do not have good skills and good brains just because of age. They are simply not adult people! And what do they do? Usually they try to cheat, because they are not wise enough to work honestly yet. Of course I do not say about all guys who are under 18, i say about the biggest part of them.

But who counts those jerks as Adult webmasters? Here, in Russia, nobody. They are trying to cheat somebody, fail and leave this biz ("this is bad biz, can't get money" they say).

If you take adult people (after 20 years old) who work in adult biz in Russia, VERY small number of cheaters between them. Well, this % not more than between US webmasters FOR SURE.

You may ask, how you can know if this Russian guy is solid webmaster or just a kid who wants some fast money? This is very simple. You may just ask us and we'll tell you who is this guy.

Here, in Russia, we have real community of legal Russian Webmasters. We have online board, which has around 2,500 registered members and much more people read this. This board is the REAL community of Russian Webmasters. All Russian guys who post on GFY well-known in our community and you can easy get info about this person if you ask right questions.

Dear US Adult Sponsors, guys who run their paysites, We - honest Russian Webmasters, do NOT want you get cheated by Russian Webasters AS MUCH as You don't want it. We want have a good reputation all over the web. We hate guys who cheat You, because that hurts OUR reputation. Try to understand this please. Who is FBI and other authorities you like so much to talk about? How they can help you with Russian Webmasters? What can they do? They are VERY far from Russia and they will NEVER even try to punish kids who cheat you, they have more serious things to do (like getting Bin Laden jailed). But we are HERE and we want get those kids punished not less than you. Of course we do not want to jail our kids, but we have a lot of other things we can do against them. We can do such things, that they will forget about doing biz on the Net for years. You just have to report this cheaters to us, not to FBI. Is that hard to understand? I think this is very easy. May be too easy? Why do you look for some hard ways (like getting FBI inside this) if you can simply ask for help from us, Russian guys who work honestly in this biz. Of course we'll do the best to get you out of this problems and of course FOR FREE. We do not need anything from you, just give us info. Our good reputation worths for us much more than money.

As I said, we have community and we have online board where you can always get in touch with us.

URL of our english section is: http://www.crutop.nu/ubb/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=ENGLISH+CHAT! &number=11&DaysPrune=45&LastLogin=

Feel free to come there and talk to us at any time. And that's not important if you want report some cheater or just tell us some joke, laugh with us or say anything else. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif We, Russian Webmasters, like to laugh, chat, talk and do other fun things http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
Honest Adult Webmasters from the whole World are welcome there.

I hope you understand all that I wrote.

Now, about why i've got idea to post something in this thread. I was almost shocked by things some Webmasters say in this thread. I was going to quote and comments a lot of phrases from this thread, but now I think this post is long enough and there is no reason to make this post even longer. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif If person is a MORON you can't do anything with it, MORONS usually think yourself the smartest guys on the world and simply do not care about what other people say. I'll just comment words, which i can not ignore.


Wilber:
Aro/Darkness, you've been busted. Move on.


Such comments, from the guy who don't even know what is this thread about shows only one thing. Man, Wilber, I don't know who are you but I know WHAT are you. You are the small little bastard who decided to lick ass of some sponsor. And this bastard doesn't care if his words hurt some people. You licked someones ass. Let me congratulate you. Keep doing that and may be one day someone will lick your ass.
I'm really sad about you. You are poor guy. You will never understand the mean of word RESPECT.
That's all I wanted say about you.

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12clicks:
If you're from russia, the chances that your NOT a cheater are slim.
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I won't comment whole sentense. I'll just say if the guy can't write a name of the Country starting from BIG letter - this guy doesn't respects HIS country as well. This is your problem what you feel to Russian Webmasters and people in Russia at all. Anyway, if you respect YOUR country, people around you and finally YOURSELF, you will ALWAYS write a name of ANY country with a big first letter. You are not a human. You are just a small worm. That's outside of adult biz, it's the fact. I can feel anything about United States, but i will NEVER write the name of this country like "united states" or "us", as well as any other country.

12clicks, you say that all Russian Webmasters who you see are cheaters. You know what? I BELIEVE YOU! You know why? Because you are well-know in Russian Adult Webmasters Community. And your reputation is not bad. It's not even VERY BAD. This is the WORST reputation i ever heard. There is NO honest Russian Webmaster who will even TRY to work with you. That's why you get only cheaters from Russia. You get those kids 15-18 years old which i was talking about, they are outside community. The problem is not about Russian Webmasters, it's about YOU and YOUR reputation. Think about it.


12clicks:
Lust, my cheating russian friend,
I'll decide when this topic is closed not you.


Finally, it's those words who were the main reason for me to find time and write such a long post in this thread. I told you already 12clicks above about you and your problems as I see (actually not see, i KNOW). I want say about other.

I think on this board A LOT of US Webmasters who know Lust very well. A lot of people who work with him and make good money with him. I know Lust for a long time, he is one of the best and most respected Webmasters in our community. He is a great guy. He is smart, kind and very professional in what he is doing. Guys, who do you allow this "Mr. 12clicks" write such bullshit about Lust?

Where are you those people who make money with Lust, who know him? Where are you people, well-known and respected on this board? Why you can't say a word about Lust and why you allow this jerk to call Lust a cheater? You do not care?

Yeah, you simply do not care. Lust works with you, makes money for himself and for you, that's the end. If some asshole calls him a cheater - it's out of your interest, this is not about your or your money. This is your ethic probably.

We have another ethic. We stand for each other. And if you call our respected Webmaster a cheater without any reasons - you must be ready to answer for your words. We are too far (some ocen actually between us) to sue you Mr. 12clicks, but we have another methods. I hope you find enough courage to tell to Mr. Lust what you are expected to say. To tell him that you are sorry about your words. Or prove that your words are truth. Do one of those things, or you'll have to remember this words not once in the further.

That's all guys.

And once again. We, honest Russian Webmasters are open for good business, friendship and other good relationships. We don't want cheat anyone and we don't want some people call us cheaters. 90% of us cheaters? Bullshit. Just we have too much kids which work outside of community and that's not hard to filter them. Dear sponsors, i do not tell you that you need to remove those words "Webmasters from Russia not allowed" from your terms. This post is not about it at all.

All what i want - respect. We want respect to us, people who work hard and honestly to make some money. Who never cheated anyone in this biz, but still have to read all of this crap from 12clicks and other people.

We are adult, serious people who want work and get paid. We are open for anything, just ask us about something and you'll get your answers. I gave you URL of english part of our board. If you have any questions - feel free to come there at anytime and ask.

Good Luck and my Respect to ALL of you, to all of Good Webmasters from ANY Country who make honest business, RESPECTS people not because of native country, but because of what they do. GoodBye! Hope to see you later.

RussianMaster.

P.S. Aro never cheated anyone as well. This is mistake Mr. Candid. Check your logs.

P.S.S. I'm not Lust, Aro, Darkness or any other Russian guy who writes at this board. So do not say it's one of those guys tries to protect. I'm the Person. Yes, i'm from Russian, but I'm still the individual person, not "another russian cheater".

Hmm I don't agree about the 12clicks comments. I think it is because I am able to enjoy his particular sense of humour much like my own http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Other then that good post Dude!

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All webmasters from all countries accepted

Well, codecrawler, i believe it's not fun when you call honest webmaster a cheater. This "humor" requires some proves or apoligizes.

Thanks for your comment about post. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

codecrawler, i answered to you on our board. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif Very nice to see you there.

what other methods do you have? hacking?
hahahaha, see the thing about russians is, they cheat without knowing it.

This clown brings himself in here to defend all of his innocent, honest russian brothers by making threats about his "other methods"

dude, here's a clue:
your threats DON'T add to your credibility argument.

I've NEVER had a russian webmaster in my programs that DIDN'T cheat so from my perspective, thery all cheat.

reputations are built in this business by actions, not words. Unfourtunately your actions speak clearer than your longwinded lying post.

have a nice day. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

As I told you before I'm ready to believe it. And i explained why. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
It's up to you how to understand my post. You may see offense there, as well you may see there the hand of friendship (well, actually not to you, untill you apoligize for calling Lust cheater).

And again, it's up to you. You read the words and you decide what those words mean. You may read great book (like Bible) and see there only "GO FUCK YOURSELF, GO FUCK YOURSELF, GO FUCK YOURSELF, GO FUCK YOURSELF..."

It's up to you.

I read your post. My opinion doesn't change. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

LOL. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

That means when you posted your first reply on my post you didn't even read it? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

Great. I'm becoming your fan.

But i still want you prove that my friend (Lust) a cheater or apoligize...

ROFL!!!

Dude, your barking up the wrong tree on this one.

is he russian?

ok, case closed. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Uhmm... man, you do not really understand. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif The maximum that you can is decide if discuss closed on this board or not. But about the whole case - you are not the person who is going to decide when it's closed.

You are expected to show the facts of cheating by Lust or apoligize. This is the case.

onay, ouyay on'tday understanday. ussian'sray areay iefsthay ecausebay ofay atwhay eythay oday, otnay atwhay eythay aysay.

Wow. Never heard of such language. You found it by yourself?

Great! There are language makers on this board. I shiver. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

the funny thing is that I just kicked a guy from the US out of our program just now!

the funny part was he had a russian name. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

12clicks, it's not funny. That's just another kid http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
All of Russian webmasters who work with you (and you talk so much about them) - are lame kids, who want fast money. Yeah, this is really funny.

Ask Dave from Cyberage for example what he can say about Russian Webmasters. You will be shocked http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif Russian Webmasters I believe make at least 30-40% of whole profit for Cyberage. Because that's not kids who work with Dave. All kids come to you http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by RussianMaster (edited 11-30-2001).]

Ever hear the saying "it takes a cheater to defend a cheater"?

Gary, you also say Lust a cheater?

Why do you afraid to say this directly?

Say that: "Lust is a cheater. And you RussianMaster too, because you defend him".

Go, do it.

I won't even ask you to prove it, it's probably not part of your ethic as well.

Lust is a cheater. And you RussianMaster too, because you defend him

Always happy to help out

Ok, Gary. Got your point.

Next... ?

This thread looks to be a great place to filter guys who make their reputation and may be money (?) on war with "russian cheaters" and didn't like my post because of that reason.

Dude, its not a war with russian cheaters, its a war with cheaters. Defending cheaters helps nobody.

Gary, your last post proves, that you didn't read my first post (whole). Read this please. If you answer on my posts you are expected to answer on posts done by me, not by 12clicks.

I'm actually a software program written by 12clicks to run while he's at lunch.

Gary posting bot v. 2.0

Gary, i've read your last post with interest. It has lots of useful info inside this. That was very very very smart post, i guess lots of people here will get a lot of experience and information from that. You are doing great job, by writing such smart posts and helping newbies to find out the way they should act. That's why there appear such guys like Wilber.

Tell Wilber and others they should make a monument for you.

Hmmm, you assume i am here to help newbies? How stupid are you? Theres probably 1000 newbies a day looking for some fast bucks, its not my job to help them. My job is to make more money so i can buy nice things.

Buy nice things?

Like buying software program which will be doing posts for you?

Software program which doing posts when software program of 12clicks on lunch.
Sounds awesome.

Won't take any more time from you Gary by answering on your posts, i feel self uncomfortable when understand that steal some time from you and making you get less money for buying nice things.

Its no bother, i get paid 10 bucks a post. Please, lets keep going, i got my eye on a new Ferrari.

Gary, why do the virtual person needs Ferrari? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

to pick up virtual chicks.

cha-ching!

Well, you got another 10 bucks. You owe 50% to me. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by RussianMaster (edited 11-30-2001).]

....

Sorry, i work alone

cha-ching!

I had a hard day.
Then I have read this.

I had this idea for a very long time already. But now...now I am ready.

12Clicks attention,I BAN YOU FROM ALL MY PROGRAMS. YOU ARE A CHEATER!

And yes, Gary, You are THE MUNDISHNIZHER, stay cool.
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Indeed

cha-ching!

Incognito, what the hell you are doing?!

You can't ban 12clicks, HE IS NOT RUSSIAN!!!

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[This message has been edited by RussianMaster (edited 11-30-2001).]

Gary fetch a bone.
I give Ya 20$ for that.
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