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		 Hell, in past jobs I've worked 60 hours regularly for a salary of less than $500 gross per week. And that was management! On my feet all the time, busting my ass helping people as if they were the most important people in the world. Coming home and literally falling asleep right where I sat down when I walked in the door. Waking up and doing it all over again. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
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		 So let me get this straight.  She made over $130,000 last year doing softcore nude only.  She's going to finish school with no student loans and she's bought/buying a house at 22.  On top of that you offered her another $24,000 to not shoot with anyone else. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			She thinks that's the short end of the stick? Oh it's going to be a rude awakening for her. 
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		 Remind her of what happened to Prince once he dropped the name   
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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 HMMM, so she's already contacted some people. Got responses similar to yours from all of them, she probably doesn't realize the site owners talk to eachother. This ultimatum seems forced, she most likely alreadys knows she's done if she leaves. 
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		 Oops, I just re-read her email and saw that the $2k was to remain exclusive. Since she obviously wants to continue working in the adult industry then going from $130k working to $24k not working [in adult] would be quite a big hit. Still, it's better than nothing, isn't it? I've never seen anything to suggest that Steve doesn't treat his models well. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 i call fake drama, and not very well planned out either and pretty unprofessional to post private business emails to a public board.. i won't stop sending traffic though, lightspeed is a killer program...LOL  | 
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		 Ok, it's not industry suicide as Perfection Jeff, the most "successful single girl site owner" refers to it, very ironic i might ad. It is BUSINESS. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	She will find a company, the company will shoot her softcore, throw up a webcam chat and do pretty damn good, offer her like 5k to 10k/month. Steve, if you want my advice, just pay 3k to 4k/month, she will be thrilled with that, and you wont have to be pissed off for a whole year, that along is worth it.  | 
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		 never mind what I said earlier, sounds like she is being a primadonna....i hate bitches like that 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Wow,  
		
	
		
		
		
		
			by the way I agree with her, she should get more than $2,000 per month. ![]() 
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		 This kind of reminds me of those idiots at CSI who said they slept in cause they thought they could take the franchise down and demanded a bigger raise then they got...your fired was the response. Well if that Jackass didn't go on Leno and apologize after he realized that the show made him. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Steve you have three choices and since this is business you can either 1. try to talk to her which I am sure will only hurt you. 2. Ignore the email and continue on as business as usual and chalk it up to youth and stupidity(I am sure you have been there too) and will soon realize how dumb she actually is. 3. Fire Her. Either way you have to live with the decision. Please keep us updated as to the situation. Best Regards, Paul Welles  | 
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 Nothing wrong with that at all. However, shes going to be VERY disapointed. She has no value at all other then her branded name as Tawnee Stone which Steve owns. She thinks she has a card to play when in fact, that "card" cashed in about two years ago. I dont wish anything bad for the girl, I just think she is being a fool and Steve is being to nice. She will never respect what Steve has done or is willing to do now. 
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			she does NOT look the same anymore - she is AGING [/QUOTE] Yikes, Aging at 22 years old? Then I guess I must be headed for the nursing home at my age. 
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	1. She made $130K LAST year. 2. She didn't get her contract renewed THIS year cause she only does softcore. 3. The $2K a month is a severance package so that she doesn't work for someone else for a year. So basically her only option is either be happy with $2K a month or leave Steve to hopefully make more. Can't really blame her for wanting to make more than $2K a month after she had a taste of the $130K year. I think you're doing the right thing steve to let her go. You've got plenty of content saved up so her leaving shouldn't phase you. If she's trying to finish up school she should be happy that allthough she's not making $130K, she's still got a FREE $24K for a year and can focus just on school. Just my 2 cents  | 
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		 All good things come to a end. I doubt very much she can make more with someone eles than with you and yes the constant softcore had to stop theres only so many ways one girl can be shoot. If she will not at least do some more edgie stuff it was time for her to go. The fact that you where willing to pay her 2k a month to keep her exclusive and help her out shows you care about her. To me I think its time she went out there and finds out for herself.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
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		 About the severance, is that $2k to let her go on good terms, or is it to prevent her from working for anyone else? If it's truely severance she should be damn happy. If it means she can't work, then yeah, it's going to be hard to live off $24k. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
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 She wanted $10k/month to do less than any of our other models, and lots of them resented her for it. So my solution was to pay her the $10k+/month, and shoot years of content ahead while we trademarked the name Tawnee Stone. Now that its all done, I offered her $2000/month in severance, so she can finish school without losing her new house. But, of course, now she will make me look like an asshole for my trouble. I started this thread because I would rather people know my side of the story before the rumors start flying when she starts emailing people. Steve Lightspeed 
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		 I would not pay the girls a dime. Shoot the hell out of them for a month and kick them to the curb. You try to be good to them, and you get this crap. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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 Unless she has a better severance deal in her contract, then you are a douche    j/k man.
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		 I thought it was going to be some fake drama, considering all the fake drama threads lately. Then on page 3 Steve was going to say that Tawnee was going to start doing hardcore... boy was I wrong  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 But perhaps she could get a chunk Steve, then say bye bye. Like give her a check and end it. 
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 It's all about hardcore these days, and she's not 18yo anymore so she might not attract the teen softcore crowd. 
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