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onlymovies 02-19-2005 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by $tandaman
KRL beat me to it.

If you build it.. they will come.. it's true if you have a QUALITY PRODUCT.

Here are my thoughts Marty:

If you are pitching Quality, people will consider it a great opportunity.
But if you are trying to sell shit.. everyone will consider it SPAM.


well said


oh, and 50 spamming products

Prof.Dr. Den 02-19-2005 05:32 AM

more , gimme more
i like drama :D

mardigras 02-19-2005 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike33
Does this happen to you often? I mean phone call rather then email for starters?

Shoot, I get so many unsolicited phone calls from whois spammers it's not even funny. The last domain I registered I had someone leave a message on my machine in reference to it a day and a half later.

shann 02-19-2005 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K
why the ass kissing protocol? are some ranked above others, that they don't have to hear those beneath them in the pecking order? i think alot fo this ego shit in this biz is retarded and keeps people from working together. i would suggest everyone drop their fucking egos and get on with the important shit.

your bank accounts will thank you. gees sometimes its like high school in this business.

:2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

Well said. :thumbsup

Michael O 02-19-2005 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by martyVP
how you are suppose to market your product without being flamed.

I understand you can purchase advertising and buy sigs and purchase opt-in newsletters etc..

but what i don't get is how do companies hire salesmen to sell for them without getting flamed. What tactics do salesmen use without being called "SPAMMERS"?

What is the right way to approach anyone about a product or service as a salesmen in this industry?

It seems as if anytime someone from our company hits anyone up on ICQ or emails them about a product or offer, its called SPAM.

Please, someone, anyone, tell me how any salesmen is suppose to market a product or service in this faceless industry of ours without being flamed.

Show me the steps, iI have no ego problems, I am willing to learn.


Marty


If its an expensive product like I guess the program in your sig is there are a limited number of buyers and you treat like any other business call them and set up an appointment, then either meeting them in person or talking to them on the phone.

If its for videopasscash I agree with TeenGoodFather have a person surf some sites take notes and mail the site owners with a personal mail, do a little checking so you donīt mail the webmaster that owns 20 sites 20 times.
Other things buy advertising on gallery submitters, on big tgp/mgps on the confirmation page after the submission goes thru. I always see the ad on Shemp.com for example.
Hire some board whores so everytime someone ask about a program with epassporte payout your link is spammed, or for hosted movie galleries and other topics where your program might fit in but make sure its someone who actually knows what they are doing and can speak/write english. Have some small contests on boards donīt have to be much just enough to get the attention of people and a couple of Ipods seems to do the trick these days make sure they are signed up to VPC before they are eligible to win. There are many small things you can do to brand your program and even with a limited advertisement budget results can be great.
Donīt know if it was for VPC you wanted info so Iīll stop here instead of going on for hours :)

Rui 02-19-2005 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by martyVP
Oh boy, here we go again with verbal Judo.

haha thats a new one

/me takes note

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As for the topic, its a bit hard to answer...I mean if there is something most (normal) webmasters are sick of is getting spammed

Johny Traffic 02-19-2005 09:26 AM

Spamming is very bad and anoying especially when its completely un related to what you want, asked for or need. Im very much against it



SEE MY SIG PLEASE EVERYONE

Der Schleicher 02-19-2005 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam
verbal judo, haha i like that

why not verbal aikido instead?. :1orglaugh

Johny Traffic 02-19-2005 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Der Schleicher
why not verbal aikido instead?. :1orglaugh

More like verbal origami with the nerds round here :)

martyVP 02-19-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JFPdude
Welcome to what I discussed with you on the phone a few weeks back. Maybe some of what I said makes sense now?

There is professional sales people on here that know how to sell without being accused of spamming or soliciting the wrong people. Knowing who they are is a different story.


Where have you been?

JFPdude 02-19-2005 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by martyVP
Where have you been?

Been here everyday posting. Ask the crowd they are asking to have me banned already LOL

martyVP 02-19-2005 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JFPdude
Been here everyday posting. Ask the crowd they are asking to have me banned already LOL


We are still on about what we talked about right?

We are very close.

TDF 02-19-2005 11:54 AM

Theres A Diference Between Selling And Spamming..and Most Of The Time The Difference Is Good Ole Cut And Paste And Plain Simple Market Reputation

Alex 02-19-2005 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VideoJ
Marketing a $40k VOD system to this audience is like marketing new Mercedes at the welfare office. You aren't going to find too many interested buyers :2 cents:


God, you couldnt be more incorrect.


And marty cut with the bs. You know damn well how to market sites/products. You've been doind a good job @ it the past two months.

With threads such as
" How do you think i sould market VOD"
In which you find it necessary to include a full detailed description of your product when no one asks.

Or

"How much should we sell Prodnix for"
You are really going to take advice from someone who posts on GFY? No you knew wht it cost to create it and you know how much you are selling for. Its Creative Spam.

"Affiliate Programs and Movie Sites with WMV Content...Did you know that you could"
Use Prodnix.... Blah Blah

"I offer the biggest webmaster pay-per-sale pay-out ever seen in the industry"
Just sell my 25k product Prodnix

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=429148
My Fave:What is the best way to market a new technology product to webmasters in your opinion

Are you going to create a similar thread every week?

Its all very very cleaver, but stop acting an idiot.

martyVP 02-19-2005 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kaliboy2g
God, you couldnt be more incorrect.


And marty cut with the bs. You know damn well how to market sites/products. You've been doind a good job @ it the past two months.

With threads such as
" How do you think i sould market VOD"
In which you find it necessary to include a full detailed description of your product when no one asks.

Or

"How much should we sell Prodnix for"
You are really going to take advice from someone who posts on GFY? No you knew wht it cost to create it and you know how much you are selling for. Its Creative Spam.

"Affiliate Programs and Movie Sites with WMV Content...Did you know that you could"
Use Prodnix.... Blah Blah

"I offer the biggest webmaster pay-per-sale pay-out ever seen in the industry"
Just sell my 25k product Prodnix

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=429148
My Fave:What is the best way to market a new technology product to webmasters in your opinion

Are you going to create a similar thread every week?

Its all very very cleaver, but stop acting an idiot.


What are you my fucking stalker?

Entropy 02-19-2005 12:25 PM

I think this thread answered your question...you're covertly marketing your program right now and not getting flamed...

martyVP 02-19-2005 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Entropy
I think this thread answered your question...you're covertly marketing your program right now and not getting flamed...


HMMMMM....I think i see it now.

martyVP 02-19-2005 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by B40
I think Marty is asking about emailing/ICQing people..."It seems as if anytime someone from our company hits anyone up on ICQ or emails them about a product or offer, its called SPAM."

Very diff from posting threads on here. Like I said in an earlier post, announcement threads are fine, as long as it doesn't get out of hand like the same announcement every day.


got your email

Xplicit 02-19-2005 03:40 PM

Stop being a fucking low-budget cheapskate and do some contests and giveaways. :2 cents:

Prof.Dr. Den 02-19-2005 03:43 PM

indeed its a good idea

Rick Latona 02-19-2005 03:49 PM

You can spam me whenever you want, Marty.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-19-2005 03:53 PM

I do consulting on such things.
I've said it before, I like yu Marty your a good guy.

Selling to webmasters on Public boards comes LAST.
I do think it is like selling a Mercedes in the welfare office when resorting to sell to board audiences.

Ya put news in AVN? XBIZ? KLIXXX? Or other offline mediums yet?
Ya talk with other affiliates programs or companies that have a bank of webmaster's to place an add within cmmunicated emails?
Score out some SE traffic and direct traffic for business to the site that introduces your software to potential buyers?
You selling this prduct will most likely be to new peeps in this business or video companies in the Valley, reach out to them guys, the video companies in SFV alone can yield grips of sales if done right.

Oh and find some sales guy to tend the boards while you wrk every possible deal to the bone without being distracted:)

Fuck the people here, Most of em I do not give a mother fuck about anyways and attempting to get there love and any respect is VERY Pointless. Why do you think I enjoy lighting em up once in a while?

pornstar2pac 02-19-2005 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by martyVP
Oh boy, here we go again with verbal Judo.



verbal Judo. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


that's a new phase I will be posting all the time now :thumbsup

polish_aristocrat 02-19-2005 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2pac
verbal Judo. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


that's a new phase I will be posting all the time now :thumbsup

no pun intended

Marcus Aurelius 02-19-2005 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by martyVP
Oh boy, here we go again with verbal Judo.

Careful some of the keyboard warriors here practice 24/7

Persius 02-19-2005 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Spamming is very bad and anoying especially when its completely un related to what you want, asked for or need. Im very much against it



SEE MY SIG PLEASE EVERYONE

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

RogerV 02-19-2005 04:42 PM

Marty the best way to spam without getting flamed is to do a contest pay a few bucks so the newbie's can buy there beer.

Don't worry about the flamers either. it's the lurkers your trying to reach.

One last thing what works best for me was picking up the phone. Which i know you do...

Change up your approach to appeal to different people.

Your a good guy I don't get it either sometimes. don't sweat the small things.

:2 cents:

martyVP 02-19-2005 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Latona
You can spam me whenever you want, Marty.


Now thats a true friend :)

tony286 02-19-2005 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve
Perhaps you need to look at how salesmen in off line industries approach potential clients. Maybe your sales people need to set up an 'appointment' to talk to the webmasters.

Perhaps you need to offer a few beads and mirrors like pharmaceutical companies do to doctors - few people read what they think are spam emails and people don't like being bugged on ICQ so think outside this industry's box and see how sales people in other industries work their market.

The online adult world is not the real world , when I worked for a mainstream dotcom I increased sales dramatically because the guys before just emailed companies .I found phone numbers and made calls, most in adult online are afraid of the phone and they consider trying to reach them online spam so its kinda fucked. Your not dealing with real business people for the most part lol.

martyVP 02-20-2005 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV
Marty the best way to spam without getting flamed is to do a contest pay a few bucks so the newbie's can buy there beer.

Don't worry about the flamers either. it's the lurkers your trying to reach.

One last thing what works best for me was picking up the phone. Which i know you do...

Change up your approach to appeal to different people.

Your a good guy I don't get it either sometimes. don't sweat the small things.

:2 cents:


Thanks Roger...I wish you the best in all you do.

Mr. Jim 02-20-2005 04:16 AM

Marty...

I think several will be humbled when they discover what you have accomplished in this industry.

I would like to talk to you about doing something and i know last week we were suppose to discuss some things and you have my apology for not getting back to you it is a pretty hectic time right now.....

I have some ideas....may work....may not

martyVP 02-20-2005 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jimholio
Marty...

I think several will be humbled when they discover what you have accomplished in this industry.

I would like to talk to you about doing something and i know last week we were suppose to discuss some things and you have my apology for not getting back to you it is a pretty hectic time right now.....

I have some ideas....may work....may not


lETS TALK BRO...HIT ME UP

wimpy 02-20-2005 12:38 PM

The difference between spam and a sales pitch is how quickly you can convince the listener that you have something he wants.

In my experience, you have about 5 seconds to accomplish that.

That's via phone. If it's e, you won't get past the spam filter unless you can fit his full name, domain name, and a concise sales pitch into the subject. THEN the body of the e must quickly expound on the sales pitch.

With e, I'll guess that IF you convince him to open your e with a great subject, you then have about 5 seconds to convince him to continue reading. With luck, you'll get about a 3% response rate, and that's with every e being custom crafted.

I don't bother with e anymore, I phone.

Biggy2 02-20-2005 12:49 PM

If your product is good, it will market itself (for the most part).

martyVP 02-20-2005 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggy2
If your product is good, it will market itself (for the most part).


Ya, once it has momentum that is.


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