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~Ray · 02-14-2005, 10:48 AM

Is there anyone on the planet that can shred better than Yngwie Malmsteen?

I'd like to give them a listen.

~Ray

Kristian · 02-14-2005, 10:50 AM

I'm 29 and I feel old

ADL Colin · 02-14-2005, 10:52 AM

I like these guys .. Jason Becker, Marty Friedman.

nofx · 02-14-2005, 10:54 AM

the guys from dream theather

Playa-Deak · 02-14-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristian

I'm 29 and I feel old

lol, likewise

Spunky · 02-14-2005, 10:55 AM

Mike Nesmith from the Monkees

Herb Kornfield · 02-14-2005, 10:57 AM

Joe Satriani - the master behind Steve Vai, Kirk Hammet, and MANY others.

Chris Malais · 02-14-2005, 11:01 AM

www.rustycooley.com
www.angelo.com

These guys can out shred Yngwie Malmsteen, although Yngwie is the best composer to hit the neoclassical shred genre. Speed isn't everything.

Manowar · 02-14-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Herb Kornfield

Joe Satriani - the master behind Steve Vai, Kirk Hammet, and MANY others.

~Ray · 02-14-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Herb Kornfield

Joe Satriani - the master behind Steve Vai, Kirk Hammet, and MANY others.

I've seen Yngwie as well as Joe S live before. I enjoyed both performances.

~Ray

jt420 · 02-14-2005, 11:06 AM

dream theater and king crimson...

~Ray · 02-14-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristian

I'm 29 and I feel old

wait til you hit 34 like me.

~Ray

~Ray · 02-14-2005, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Malais

www.rustycooley.com
www.angelo.com

These guys can out shred Yngwie Malmsteen, although Yngwie is the best composer to hit the neoclassical shred genre. Speed isn't everything.

This is pretty sweet....

http://www.rustycooley.com/mp3/Outwo...etoMadness.mp3

escorpio · 02-14-2005, 11:25 AM

weedeleee-weedeleee guitar players suck. no heart, no soul, all flash.

Project-Shadow · 02-14-2005, 11:30 AM

Michael Angelo Baito.
www.angelo.com

jonesy · 02-14-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

weedeleee-weedeleee guitar players suck. no heart, no soul, all flash.

ive always heard this from envious fags who couldnt play.

~Ray · 02-14-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

weedeleee-weedeleee guitar players suck. no heart, no soul, all flash.

I can't do this and you can't either...

http://www.angelo.com/speed_lives_mab.wmv

~Ray

escorpio · 02-14-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesy

ive always heard this from envious fags who couldnt play.

I've seen lots of weedle-worship from talentless hacks that figure since they have no soul maybe pure guitar mechanics will work for them. If NPS is even in your guitar vocabulary, you suck.

Burridge · 02-14-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

I've seen lots of weedle-worship from talentless hacks that figure since they have no soul maybe pure guitar mechanics will work for them. If NPS is even in your guitar vocabulary, you suck.

^What He Said^

That wank shit is straight masturbation. I don't get down with your souless music athleticism.

UniversalPass Pete · 02-14-2005, 12:32 PM

Yngwie is badass! but you are going back some years! he has been around a long as time!

~Ray · 02-14-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UniversalPass Pete

Yngwie is badass! but you are going back some years! he has been around a long as time!

I saw him live in 1986

ADL Colin · 02-14-2005, 01:23 PM

Yngwie plays with "feeling". It's just not a sad, bluesy feeling. He feels frenzied, rushed, excited. Like the feeling you get when you drive your car at 135 mph on I-95 at 4am. I feel Yngwie when he plays. Different people feel different things.

smack · 02-14-2005, 01:28 PM

yeah, lots of people.

Chris Malais · 02-14-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Burridge

^What He Said^

That wank shit is straight masturbation. I don't get down with your souless music athleticism.

Lets hear your masturbation then.

Chris Malais · 02-14-2005, 02:28 PM

If you don't think soul is something that can be mastered, then you don't play guitar. It's just another trick, just as sweep picking or a vibrato.

Yngwie · 02-14-2005, 02:34 PM

seems I'm not the only Yngwie fan here

Yngwie · 02-14-2005, 02:35 PM

michael angelo is ok but his composing is not that great..

Yngwie · 02-14-2005, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Malais

www.rustycooley.com
www.angelo.com

These guys can out shred Yngwie Malmsteen, although Yngwie is the best composer to hit the neoclassical shred genre. Speed isn't everything.

Michael Angelo may be able to out shred Yngwie but Angelo's music is not that good. Kind of boring.

SykkBoy · 02-14-2005, 02:37 PM

soul is overrated

ADL Colin · 02-14-2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Malais

If you don't think soul is something that can be mastered, then you don't play guitar. It's just another trick, just as sweep picking or a vibrato.

Exactly.

ADL Colin · 02-14-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

soul is overrated

I sold my soul for $5. Nothing bad happened.

DWB · 02-14-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

Is there anyone on the planet that can shred better than Yngwie Malmsteen?

I'd like to give them a listen.

~Ray

I knew you were going to say Yngwie before I even opened this thread. lol

I used to take bass lessons from Billy Sheehan back in the early 90's when I lived in LA. Back then I was a TOTAL tech freak and wanted to play as fast and as technical as I could.

Then... this big burly black man moved into the apartment on top of mine. His nick name was "Cat Daddy" (no joke) and he had toured with James Brown for a few years and a few other 70's funk bands. He taught me about groove and opened my eyes to funk. Real groove and real funk... and that was the end of my shredding days. Those hours spent in his apartment taught me more than any lesson or school I ever attended.

But don't think I don't know about Racer X, Cacophony, Dream Theater or the countless other bands that have incredible players.

escorpio · 02-14-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Malais

If you don't think soul is something that can be mastered, then you don't play guitar. It's just another trick, just as sweep picking or a vibrato.

Soul is a trick? Please explain.

escorpio · 02-14-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Then... this big burly black man moved into the apartment on top of mine. His nick name was "Cat Daddy" (no joke) and he had toured with James Brown for a few years and a few other 70's funk bands. He taught me about groove and opened my eyes to funk. Real groove and real funk... and that was the end of my shredding days. Those hours spent in his apartment taught me more than any lesson or school I ever attended.

jonesy · 02-14-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

I've seen lots of weedle-worship from talentless hacks that figure since they have no soul maybe pure guitar mechanics will work for them. .

true and those guys suck

but

to say someone sucks because theyre profiecent on their instrument is lame and basically like i said before envious.

there are only a few guitarists who play fast and have soul.

jeff beck
stevie ray vaughn
van halen
rhodes
hendrix
page
clapton (young)
malmsteen (yea malmsteen. he plays from the heart, hes a classical dude, either you get it or you dont.)

NPS?

Screaming · 02-14-2005, 10:19 PM

then who? heh

jonesy · 02-14-2005, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Malais

If you don't think soul is something that can be mastered, then you don't play guitar. It's just another trick, just as sweep picking or a vibrato.

soul a trick?
your talking out of your ass, moron.

ADL Colin · 02-15-2005, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesy

soul a trick?
your talking out of your ass, moron.

Phrasing, vibrato, tone, choice of equipment (contributing to tone), the way you bend notes. What the hell is "soul"?

Two people listen to a guitar player and one thinks he is great playing with "soul", the other thinks he sounds lame and is bored. Does he play with "soul" or not? Does "soul" exist without an observer? If so, why do different people disagree on who plays with it?

In religion, soul is a myth used to explain the the ultimate cause of our actions and what differentiates us. What separates us from the animals.

In music, soul is a myth used to explain the way music makes us feel and what differentates musicians. What separates some players from others.

jonesy · 02-15-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

What the hell is "soul"? .

if you gotta ask and dont know when ya hear it im afraid your fucked.

next.

Chris Malais · 02-15-2005, 09:40 PM

Alright people! Listen up! The trick to soul lies in making a face that makes people think that you know what youre doing, when in all reality you're just sporting a decent vibrato over the basic American blues scale.

That's soul.

I'm just glad that others people judgement about my guitar playing doesn't lie in the faces or gestures I make. It's all in the writing and actual guitar playing that is taking place.

Top Jimmy · 02-15-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

Is there anyone on the planet that can shred better than Yngwie Malmsteen?

I'd like to give them a listen.

~Ray

Ron Jarzombeck

www.spasticink.com

This is his solo stuff. Most people know him from Watchtower.

Look at the credits for any progressive metal band (fates warning, Dream theater, etc.) and you'll see watchtower listed.

He's out there for sure, but IMO one of the best as far as technical abilities go.

All around my favorite guitar player is Alex Lifeson. Nice mix of technical ability, and emotion.

Top Jimmy · 02-15-2005, 10:01 PM

A quick excerpt from his site. It offers some insight into his writing.
The guy's whacked for sure.

One of my favorite writing tools is 12 tone. Why do I use this often when writing? Simply because there is no tonal center. Notes and chords sound as if they're coming out of nowhere, but somehow fall into place. You can create any combination of notes, and come up with all sorts of wild chords, scales, patterns, etc...
So what is a 12 tone? Well, my version differs from the "official" retrograde, inversion, and retrograde inversion where once you hit a note, it can't be played again until the other 11 notes have been played. What I do is simply use all of the 12 tones evenly. I do come up with a "row" of 12 tones, but rather than play the notes consecutively, I group them in sets and create chords, or clusters.

On "I've Got The Runs" I wanted to come up with a 12 tone "progression" with 4 chords, 3 notes per chord (or cluster), and get the 4 basic triad sounds - major, minor, diminished and augmented/whole tone. Then I wanted to modulate this progression up/down several times thus creating a cycle.

Here's the chords/clusters that I came up with:

escorpio · 02-15-2005, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Malais

Alright people! Listen up! The trick to soul lies in making a face that makes people think that you know what youre doing, when in all reality you're just sporting a decent vibrato over the basic American blues scale.

That's soul.

Your concept of "soul" amuses me. No wonder you worship those weedlemeisters.

CC · 02-15-2005, 10:48 PM

Petrucci

rollinOn20s · 02-15-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

Is there anyone on the planet that can start a thread better than Juicy D. Links?

I'd like to give them a read.

~Ray

No, I'd agree!

~Ray · 02-15-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Top Jimmy

Ron Jarzombeck

www.spasticink.com

This is his solo stuff. Most people know him from Watchtower.

Look at the credits for any progressive metal band (fates warning, Dream theater, etc.) and you'll see watchtower listed.

He's out there for sure, but IMO one of the best as far as technical abilities go.

All around my favorite guitar player is Alex Lifeson. Nice mix of technical ability, and emotion.

incredible... the guitar plays with the words...

http://www.spasticink.com/thenewprince.wmv

~Ray · 02-15-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

incredible... the guitar plays with the words...

http://www.spasticink.com/thenewprince.wmv

The series...
http://www.spasticink.com/videos.html

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Chris Malais Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,904	Alright people! Listen up! The trick to soul lies in making a face that makes people think that you know what youre doing, when in all reality you're just sporting a decent vibrato over the basic American blues scale. That's soul. I'm just glad that others people judgement about my guitar playing doesn't lie in the faces or gestures I make. It's all in the writing and actual guitar playing that is taking place. __________________ http://www.psychicrevenue.com/pws02901 Free horoscope on your websites. Make some money!

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Top Jimmy Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down your street Posts: 2,513	A quick excerpt from his site. It offers some insight into his writing. The guy's whacked for sure. One of my favorite writing tools is 12 tone. Why do I use this often when writing? Simply because there is no tonal center. Notes and chords sound as if they're coming out of nowhere, but somehow fall into place. You can create any combination of notes, and come up with all sorts of wild chords, scales, patterns, etc... So what is a 12 tone? Well, my version differs from the "official" retrograde, inversion, and retrograde inversion where once you hit a note, it can't be played again until the other 11 notes have been played. What I do is simply use all of the 12 tones evenly. I do come up with a "row" of 12 tones, but rather than play the notes consecutively, I group them in sets and create chords, or clusters. On "I've Got The Runs" I wanted to come up with a 12 tone "progression" with 4 chords, 3 notes per chord (or cluster), and get the 4 basic triad sounds - major, minor, diminished and augmented/whole tone. Then I wanted to modulate this progression up/down several times thus creating a cycle. Here's the chords/clusters that I came up with: __________________ Don't reply. Let it die.

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