@@@@@@@Summary of Drama Between Myself And The Loose Cannon Joesho.

[Juicy D. Links]

Ill make it short n sweet.

Few weeks ago I was approched to do the fucking fired site. K i aint stupid I know why they did this... Now after a long talk with few people and seeing Joesho's antics the last few weeks I made a decision that for my own "brand" and such it would not be wise both business and in general to even be associated with anything Joesmo touches.

Reason being that loose cannons tend to cause harm and bring bad press to anything they are involved in. No contracts were signed. I nicely and in professional manner said...

Hey JizBiz , I have some bad news for ya. I really cannot be part of the fuckin fired site and such any longer , i would appreciate it you would remove my face and any association with me to the site at your earliest convenience.

His response
Why are you pulling out at the last minute Juicy, everything is inplace due to your willingness to do this initially. The graphics have all been done which was no small job and the designer needs paying for this, the text and the site graphics/banners all need to be redone now because you decide a couple hrs after release that you arent interested?

My response:
Unfortunately I cant involve myself in this site any longer

His Response:

Why would you pull out now when such time, effort and energy (almost 3 weeks) has gone into this, and you were 100% involved and behind it all, if you had concerns you should have said something before all this was even considered, let alone put to page. Do you have any idea of how this looks?

How unprofessional this looks, not just from your end but our end as well, due to you pulling out, we need a reason as to why you did this.
Do we atleast get a reason?

My response:
As i said unfortunately i cant be part of it any longer my name cant be associated with this.

His response:
I will pass on your remarks to my partners and associates.

Then my response:
no problem , just make sure we get this handled of promptly and in a professional fashion. Have a good weekend

K then the loose cannon realized that his site would obviusly fail and decided to get all worked up. Now they are threatning me with a lawsuit which I am very eager to get served with.

So Bottom line here is ????
Program Owners , Sponsors , Webmasters do you really want to associate yourself with a loose cannon like Joesmo?


-Juicy

[TurboAngel]

[Juicy D. Links]

[TurboAngel]

[nofx]

i dont care about yer drama

[machinegunkelly]

I missed quite the night .
WTF is going on ?

[LadyMischief]

Unfortunate situation Juicy. It's your reputation, and one would think that you have a right to decide if you don't want to be associated with something. The threat of lawsuit, though it may be real, certainly isn't going to put this entire thing in a good light either. Hope everything gets resolved in a professional fashion.

[Rui]

Its a bit wierd you decide to be part of this (stupid) project and then after it launche's bail out...but each one to its own...

[Dildozer]

serves them right for not getting you to sign a contract in the first place

[Juicy D. Links]

Unfortunate situation Juicy. It's your reputation, and one would think that you have a right to decide if you don't want to be associated with something. The threat of lawsuit, though it may be real, certainly isn't going to put this entire thing in a good light either. Hope everything gets resolved in a professional fashion.

Well i tried to handle it privately off the boards but unfortunately the other party decided not to. Oh well cant say i didnt try.

[Juicy D. Links]

serves them right for not getting you to sign a contract in the first place

heheh I might be goofy here on GFY but people that know me have known what i have been thorugh with lawsuits in the past. I might kid around here alot but when business is concerned and such last thing i do is "kid around"

[mrthumbs]

Its a bit wierd you decide to be part of this (stupid) project and then after it launche's bail out...but each one to its own...

yeah dont get that part either. You did make a commitment and although no contracts were signed you can bail out anytime you want: i can understand why people are a bit upset.

[polish_aristocrat]

well, i understand their concern, since they were preparing this for weeks and you left in the last moment

i dont know the exact reasons though

[Pete-KT]

That is BULLSHIT, its therefault for not doint things correctly, and it is PURE bullshit to bring it to the boards like they did. Hope everything works out juicy and if they take you to court counter sue them for wasting your time and money.

[Juicy D. Links]

well, i understand their concern, since they were preparing this for weeks and you left in the last moment

i dont know the exact reasons though

I cant associate myself with loose cannons , after deep thought it would not be beneficial to myself or my name. As far as them being upset....i really could care less.....if you knew his past he had it coming...

[Juicy D. Links]

the only person I answer to is myself. They do not deserve a "answer" they already know why......

[Fletch XXX]

im just glad no kittens were hurt

[dirtydesignz]

the only person I answer to is myself. They do not deserve a "answer" they already know why......

But didn't you already know that Joesho was a loose cannon BEFORE you said you'd do it and they made all thir ad material?

[TurboAngel]

im just glad no kittens were hurt

So is Smoky.

[Fletch XXX]

But didn't you already know that Joesho was a loose cannon BEFORE you said you'd do it and they made all thir ad material?

this is what i thought.

anyone not knowing joesho before and knowing he had a weed past is pretty obvious.

what is this dirt juicylinks?

ive done business with joesho, can you fill me in? or is this really bullshit?

[hova]

I think you did the right thing, loose cannons can fuck up your rep in no time

[dirtydesignz]

Lots of times loud and obnoxious make a good combo

[rollinOn20s]

Mother fucker says this is some crazy ass drama up in here!

[NickPapageorgio]

I cant associate myself with loose cannons , after deep thought it would not be beneficial to myself or my name. As far as them being upset....i really could care less.....if you knew his past he had it coming...

I stated once to you privately I would stay out of this Juicy but this thing about "Joe's past" keeps coming up. I know Joe on a personal level off the boards and I know about his "past". He was a bouncer and ran clubs in Vegas for a while. Also owned a lumber company. What is it exactly that happened in his past that you are referring to? I don't know where this is going but I am interested to find out.

As far as Joe's persona on the boards, I can understand where he is coming from alot of times. When he first got into this biz, people jumped his ass for being a n00b. Joe knows how to hold a grudge, what can I say lol. People shouldn't dish out if they aren't prepared to take back. As far as a loose cannon off the boards? I can honestly say that I DO NOT believe that to be the case. Joe is a standup guy and has some great ideas roaming around in his head, both mainstream and adult. I have never seen anyone as focused as Joe when he sets his target for business. The man absolutely goes into a zone and looks for every possible angle of attack to make the most of any situation. That's a fact. Boards are boards but always...business is business.

I don't think the entire story is being told here. Juicy, you know yourself that when you came on Oprano a couple weeks back, and some Oprano lurker made a fuss about you and Izzz being there because Oprano didn't need GFY trash on there, who came to your defense and said you and Izzz were both good smart business men and you should be taken seriously? Joesho... And now this? He's a loose cannon in your eyes now all of a sudden?

Now, I have never heard anything but good things about you dude, but what the fuck? It's not like Joe was the only party involved here. Promises were made and I can understand why the parties involved are upset. They thought it was a done deal. You were promoting it yourself in a thread the other day. Then all of a sudden you pull out without much of an explanation other than "you can't be involved anymore". Frankly, I would be pissed too if I had gone through having a site designed with someone's likeness and banners and anything else that was done. Someone had to do that work.

Besides all that, I am not going to sit back while my friend is being attacked about something dirty in his past. Inuendo is a hell of a thing. People assume the worst in most cases. What is it in his past that I don't know about? Educate me and the rest of GFY about this please. Like I said on ICQ, I like both you guys but I don't think it's quite fair to insinuate something unless there are facts that can back it up.

Personally, I have no vested interest whatsoever in the fuckinfired thing. I thought it would be cool to hear and watch but other than that I hold no stakes. If things didn't work out between the parties involved, fine, none of my business although I can understand both sides of the arguments. I just see this getting personal and would like to hear the whole story if there is one.

[Furious_Male]

Interesting. Without signed contracts I don't think they can go far on a legal basis. Verbal contracts mean very little. I can see why they would be a bit upset but I am sure there is more to the story. I was just searching for the basics and this thread explained what all the drama was about. Thanks.

[Donny]

click the link

It was a bad idea anyway. No need to link your name to something doomed to fail.

[axelcat]

It was a bad idea anyway. No need to link your name to something doomed to fail.

your sig is crazy

[dirtydesignz]

It was a bad idea anyway. No need to link your name to something doomed to fail.

Yes, BUT, he should have thought about that from the beginning, not wait until it was launched and ad materials had been made.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

So retarded it hurts...

[stev0]

Yes, BUT, he should have thought about that from the beginning, not wait until it was launched and ad materials had been made.

Yeah, i'd have to agree.... if juicy thought he was a loose cannon then why start a project with him in the first place? I'd be pretty pissed too if I was almost finished a project then one of the partners just decided on a whim that he didn't want to be associated with me.

If anything threads like this just make you sound like a loose cannon

[UniversalPass Pete]

No signed contract! no worries! there is very little he can do but threat! there will be no suit!

PIMP FOR ME JUICY! I can pay in Escargot!

[pradaboy]

thanks for clearing that up... had no clue what really happened

[tungsten]

well seriously though if juicy wants out, he has every right to do so..

[Newton - XXXAmigoz]

Your word is your bond, which still holds true for many; this is going to be very interesting indeed.

[sickkittens]

i dont care about yer drama

Then why read and post in this thread?

[Nader]

well seriously though if juicy wants out, he has every right to do so..

Not really, Even if Juicy had a verbal agreement it can stand in a court
of law with witnesses, emails, and ect...

That's if they even take it that far. It will cost them to much to even go through this. There better off eating it. 3 weeks, 1 design site, time and labor will add upto 15mins of a attorney fee

Good luck to you both. It's really a fucked up situation. Hope you guys really keep it professional

[BradShaw]

Anyone doing biz with oprano should think again. After all, Nick is one of the older scammers in the biz.

[bangman]

I usually stay far away from bullshit GFY drama, as it is usually unwarrented and immature, but I feel obligated to throw my 2 cents in on this one.

From what I hear here I can see why they are pissed.
Though it wasn't on paper, you were still in agreement. I feel that what you did was very unprofessional, and definitely warrents them being angry. I don't know who wouldn't be pissed if something like this happened to them. Really.

Though I doubt anything legal will come out of this, it was still a really bad business move on both of your parts. You for backing out on a deal like this after weeks of production, and especially him/them for not having the simple common sense to write up a contract.

Furthermore, describing Joesho as a "loose cannon" in regards to this situation is unjust. Profoundly so.

Like I said, I know very little about this situation, only from what I decide to read here, and I am basing my opinion only on that. And for you idiots out there, i'm not claiming to know either party, nor am I defending one. I'm simply stating my opinion.

[nofx]

Then why read and post in this thread?

I didnt even read what juicy posted. lame drama bores me.

[Chris Malais]

Simply because you're a good person from a legal standpoint doesn't make your actions anything less than shit worthy.

[Jman]

im just glad no kittens were hurt

Everytime you masturbate, god kills a kitten

[DeanCapture]

My question to Juicy is - why did you get into bed with Joe in the first place and secondly.....why did you wait so long to get out?

I would be pissed too if someone jumped on board a project and stayed on board until I had the website designed and all the graphics done and then at the last hour decided to jump out without any explaination.

Juicy, I'm sure you understand why he would be pissed right?

[Spunky]

Looked like a cool concept..too bad it had to have lawsuits involved

[mardigras]

Not really, Even if Juicy had a verbal agreement it can stand in a court
of law with witnesses, emails, and ect...

That's if they even take it that far. It will cost them to much to even go through this. There better off eating it. 3 weeks, 1 design site, time and labor will add upto 15mins of a attorney fee

Good luck to you both. It's really a fucked up situation. Hope you guys really keep it professional

No lawsuit.

#1. No lawyer will take it unless they can easily prove you lost income significant for them to take half of recovery of. An unlaunched website has no past income to use as a bar. Costs already incurred with creation of the site again would again fall to the barometer of "enough worth collecting" to the lawyer... UNLESS you want to throw away major bucks much larger than any possible settlement (guaranteeing the lawyer his fee, with the hopes the judge won't throw it out as a frivilous case) just to "win".

#2 Any e-mails or other items outside of a written contract while although possibly bolstering a case if allowed would fall immediately to #1

[MaDalton]

though i'm not involved in the event i considered it a fun thing and was looking forward to it. and where i come from a word is a word. no papers needed. so i can surely understand why Joe, Nick, JB and all the others involved are disappointed now. and so am i. and as far as i remember there were no bad feelings when we had breakfast in Miami together last August. so my personal opinion is that there must be more involved than simply Juicys feelings regarding Joesho.

[swedguy]

I've heard that a signed contract is always a good thing

[mardigras]

I've heard that a signed contract is always a good thing

Often times a signed contract is the only thing.

[Juicy D. Links]

My question to Juicy is - why did you get into bed with Joe in the first place and secondly.....why did you wait so long to get out?

I would be pissed too if someone jumped on board a project and stayed on board until I had the website designed and all the graphics done and then at the last hour decided to jump out without any explaination.

Juicy, I'm sure you understand why he would be pissed right?

Dean,
It was brought to my attention certain things which I cannot discuss about the parties involved. Things I has suspicions off but my suspiscions were clarified tot he point of being 100 percent true. Thus based on this I had to release myself from any further involvement reason being i dont want to part of a sinking ship.

[Juicy D. Links]

I stated once to you privately I would stay out of this Juicy but this thing about "Joe's past" keeps coming up. I know Joe on a personal level off the boards and I know about his "past". He was a bouncer and ran clubs in Vegas for a while. Also owned a lumber company. What is it exactly that happened in his past that you are referring to? I don't know where this is going but I am interested to find out.

As far as Joe's persona on the boards, I can understand where he is coming from alot of times. When he first got into this biz, people jumped his ass for being a n00b. Joe knows how to hold a grudge, what can I say lol. People shouldn't dish out if they aren't prepared to take back. As far as a loose cannon off the boards? I can honestly say that I DO NOT believe that to be the case. Joe is a standup guy and has some great ideas roaming around in his head, both mainstream and adult. I have never seen anyone as focused as Joe when he sets his target for business. The man absolutely goes into a zone and looks for every possible angle of attack to make the most of any situation. That's a fact. Boards are boards but always...business is business.

I don't think the entire story is being told here. Juicy, you know yourself that when you came on Oprano a couple weeks back, and some Oprano lurker made a fuss about you and Izzz being there because Oprano didn't need GFY trash on there, who came to your defense and said you and Izzz were both good smart business men and you should be taken seriously? Joesho... And now this? He's a loose cannon in your eyes now all of a sudden?

Now, I have never heard anything but good things about you dude, but what the fuck? It's not like Joe was the only party involved here. Promises were made and I can understand why the parties involved are upset. They thought it was a done deal. You were promoting it yourself in a thread the other day. Then all of a sudden you pull out without much of an explanation other than "you can't be involved anymore". Frankly, I would be pissed too if I had gone through having a site designed with someone's likeness and banners and anything else that was done. Someone had to do that work.

Besides all that, I am not going to sit back while my friend is being attacked about something dirty in his past. Inuendo is a hell of a thing. People assume the worst in most cases. What is it in his past that I don't know about? Educate me and the rest of GFY about this please. Like I said on ICQ, I like both you guys but I don't think it's quite fair to insinuate something unless there are facts that can back it up.

Personally, I have no vested interest whatsoever in the fuckinfired thing. I thought it would be cool to hear and watch but other than that I hold no stakes. If things didn't work out between the parties involved, fine, none of my business although I can understand both sides of the arguments. I just see this getting personal and would like to hear the whole story if there is one.

Joe is a loose cannon and there is more to him than you know. Things i morally cannot be a part off.

[Juicy D. Links]

So retarded it hurts...

Very retarded indeed. But what can you do man.