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Jman 02-13-2005 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
im just glad no kittens were hurt

Everytime you masturbate, god kills a kitten :helpme

DeanCapture 02-13-2005 11:28 AM

My question to Juicy is - why did you get into bed with Joe in the first place and secondly.....why did you wait so long to get out?

I would be pissed too if someone jumped on board a project and stayed on board until I had the website designed and all the graphics done and then at the last hour decided to jump out without any explaination.

Juicy, I'm sure you understand why he would be pissed right?

Spunky 02-13-2005 11:30 AM

Looked like a cool concept..too bad it had to have lawsuits involved

mardigras 02-13-2005 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay_Nader
Not really, Even if Juicy had a verbal agreement it can stand in a court
of law with witnesses, emails, and ect...

That's if they even take it that far. It will cost them to much to even go through this. There better off eating it. 3 weeks, 1 design site, time and labor will add upto 15mins of a attorney fee :1orglaugh

Good luck to you both. It's really a fucked up situation. Hope you guys really keep it professional :winkwink:

No lawsuit.

#1. No lawyer will take it unless they can easily prove you lost income significant for them to take half of recovery of. An unlaunched website has no past income to use as a bar. Costs already incurred with creation of the site again would again fall to the barometer of "enough worth collecting" to the lawyer... UNLESS you want to throw away major bucks much larger than any possible settlement (guaranteeing the lawyer his fee, with the hopes the judge won't throw it out as a frivilous case) just to "win".

#2 Any e-mails or other items outside of a written contract while although possibly bolstering a case if allowed would fall immediately to #1:glugglug

MaDalton 02-13-2005 11:44 AM

though i'm not involved in the event i considered it a fun thing and was looking forward to it. and where i come from a word is a word. no papers needed. so i can surely understand why Joe, Nick, JB and all the others involved are disappointed now. and so am i. and as far as i remember there were no bad feelings when we had breakfast in Miami together last August. so my personal opinion is that there must be more involved than simply Juicys feelings regarding Joesho. :2 cents:

swedguy 02-13-2005 11:48 AM

I've heard that a signed contract is always a good thing :)

mardigras 02-13-2005 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by swedguy
I've heard that a signed contract is always a good thing :)

Often times a signed contract is the only thing.:2 cents:

Juicy D. Links 02-13-2005 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture
My question to Juicy is - why did you get into bed with Joe in the first place and secondly.....why did you wait so long to get out?

I would be pissed too if someone jumped on board a project and stayed on board until I had the website designed and all the graphics done and then at the last hour decided to jump out without any explaination.

Juicy, I'm sure you understand why he would be pissed right?

Dean,
It was brought to my attention certain things which I cannot discuss about the parties involved. Things I has suspicions off but my suspiscions were clarified tot he point of being 100 percent true. Thus based on this I had to release myself from any further involvement reason being i dont want to part of a sinking ship.

Juicy D. Links 02-13-2005 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
I stated once to you privately I would stay out of this Juicy but this thing about "Joe's past" keeps coming up. I know Joe on a personal level off the boards and I know about his "past". He was a bouncer and ran clubs in Vegas for a while. Also owned a lumber company. What is it exactly that happened in his past that you are referring to? I don't know where this is going but I am interested to find out.

As far as Joe's persona on the boards, I can understand where he is coming from alot of times. When he first got into this biz, people jumped his ass for being a n00b. Joe knows how to hold a grudge, what can I say lol. People shouldn't dish out if they aren't prepared to take back. As far as a loose cannon off the boards? I can honestly say that I DO NOT believe that to be the case. Joe is a standup guy and has some great ideas roaming around in his head, both mainstream and adult. I have never seen anyone as focused as Joe when he sets his target for business. The man absolutely goes into a zone and looks for every possible angle of attack to make the most of any situation. That's a fact. Boards are boards but always...business is business.

I don't think the entire story is being told here. Juicy, you know yourself that when you came on Oprano a couple weeks back, and some Oprano lurker made a fuss about you and Izzz being there because Oprano didn't need GFY trash on there, who came to your defense and said you and Izzz were both good smart business men and you should be taken seriously? Joesho... And now this? He's a loose cannon in your eyes now all of a sudden?

Now, I have never heard anything but good things about you dude, but what the fuck? It's not like Joe was the only party involved here. Promises were made and I can understand why the parties involved are upset. They thought it was a done deal. You were promoting it yourself in a thread the other day. Then all of a sudden you pull out without much of an explanation other than "you can't be involved anymore". Frankly, I would be pissed too if I had gone through having a site designed with someone's likeness and banners and anything else that was done. Someone had to do that work.

Besides all that, I am not going to sit back while my friend is being attacked about something dirty in his past. Inuendo is a hell of a thing. People assume the worst in most cases. What is it in his past that I don't know about? Educate me and the rest of GFY about this please. Like I said on ICQ, I like both you guys but I don't think it's quite fair to insinuate something unless there are facts that can back it up.

Personally, I have no vested interest whatsoever in the fuckinfired thing. I thought it would be cool to hear and watch but other than that I hold no stakes. If things didn't work out between the parties involved, fine, none of my business although I can understand both sides of the arguments. I just see this getting personal and would like to hear the whole story if there is one.

Joe is a loose cannon and there is more to him than you know. Things i morally cannot be a part off.

Juicy D. Links 02-13-2005 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ
So retarded it hurts...

Very retarded indeed. But what can you do man.

Screaming 02-13-2005 12:06 PM

50 i quits

mardigras 02-13-2005 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links
Joe is a loose cannon and there is more to him than you know. Things i morally cannot be a part off.

Juicy, you have made your decision, leave it at that. If they want a lawsuit, you should welcome it and even suggest if they want "reality" take it to one of the TV judge shows :upsidedow There is no punitive damages in a case like this, so it is only actual losses which nobody is going to prove and if even if they did it costs them more than the verdict to get it. No need to extend your neck beyond that publicly.:2 cents::thumbsup

BVF 02-13-2005 12:14 PM

you were right but you still could have backed out before all of the graphics were done.

polish_aristocrat 02-13-2005 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
Juicy, you have made your decision, leave it at that. If they want a lawsuit, you should welcome it and even suggest if they want "reality" take it to one of the TV judge shows :upsidedow

noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

this board can't handle 500 new surfers anymore :Oh crap

mardigras 02-13-2005 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF
you were right but you still could have backed out before all of the graphics were done.

So how much graphic artist time and final cost are we talking here? This will be the likely only collectable damages, with a good lawyer.

Joesho 02-13-2005 06:15 PM

I will only say this , ( as I can not sdiscuss the merrits of the case )
Juicy if you now or at anytime in your life think you have ANY dirt on me spill it here

but since you are only using inuendo all should be aware of that fact.
So fans of juicy, ask him to prove to you his words of anything dirty about me, and make him do so publicaly if there is any merit to it, or you should believe the actions and not the words.

also any fans of Juicy ask youself who actually brought this to the board? did I start the threads? or did Juicy? did any of you ever see me threaten Juicy in any way ( or was it the other way around?) Who is acting like a loose cannon?

DrewKole 02-13-2005 06:20 PM

Jesus Christ.

Juicy knew he was a spaz before he agreed to it.

In recent weeks, Joesho threatens Brad Shaw.

Juicy is friends with Brad Shaw.

Juicy decides to stop his affiliation with Joesho.

I can't believe you guys are this dense.

dirtydesignz 02-13-2005 06:39 PM

Juicy did you decide to leave on your own or were you persuaded to do so by others?

TurboAngel 02-13-2005 06:43 PM

To be honest with you all it's realy not any of are business, Juicy was going to do something with him but no papers were signed and he changed his mind. That's it. I undersand that people are upset but it's Juicy's right to change his mind.


:2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

pxxx 02-13-2005 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
im just glad no kittens were hurt

Haha, i am just now catching up to this drama.

will76 02-13-2005 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links
I cant associate myself with loose cannons , after deep thought it would not be beneficial to myself or my name. As far as them being upset....i really could care less.....if you knew his past he had it coming...


I don't know you, but i have been reading your numerious post about this situation in the last 24 hours. Joesho has what like 5,000 plus post here and you have 50K+ post here so it is safe to say you are here 24/7 and no post gets past you. After reading all 5K+ of his post you couldn't tell what type of person he was ? You say...

" if you knew his past he had it coming.. " Well if *YOU* knew his past why would you agree to do it in the first place. All you state is loose cannon, loose cannon. You couldn't tell that from the 5K+ plus post he made here?

You guys talk about signed contracts, which is something they should have had, but what ever happened to a person's word ? I mean come on you gave them your word that you would do it, and at the last second you back out because you say joesho was a "loose cannon" ? If something a lot worse happened then it's your option to bail, but you don't even give them a reason. You claim to be worried about your brande but if you want to do business with credible people here I think bailing on a project last minute and then stating it was because one of the guys involved was a "loose cannon", like you didnt already know, well IMO that hurts you brande more then anything else.

Why not try to work it out with them like a professional ? Why not ask to have him removed if he was the problem, or discuss your concerns with them. Seems shitty and egotisitcal to contact them and say, oh btw, i am not going to do it, and my reason is, well i decided not to do it... nice brande you building foryourself...

Joesho 02-13-2005 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Joesho
I will only say this , ( as I can not sdiscuss the merrits of the case )
Juicy if you now or at anytime in your life think you have ANY dirt on me spill it here

but since you are only using inuendo all should be aware of that fact.
So fans of juicy, ask him to prove to you his words of anything dirty about me, and make him do so publicaly if there is any merit to it, or you should believe the actions and not the words.

also any fans of Juicy ask youself who actually brought this to the board? did I start the threads? or did Juicy? did any of you ever see me threaten Juicy in any way ( or was it the other way around?) Who is acting like a loose cannon?

I will only say this , ( as I can not sdiscuss the merrits of the case )
Juicy if you now or at anytime in your life think you have ANY dirt on me spill it here

but since you are only using inuendo all should be aware of that fact.
So fans of juicy, ask him to prove to you his words of anything dirty about me, and make him do so publicaly if there is any merit to it, or you should believe the actions and not the words.

also any fans of Juicy ask youself who actually brought this to the board? did I start the threads? or did Juicy? did any of you ever see me threaten Juicy in any way ( or was it the other way around?) Who is acting like a loose cannon?

Holly Lez! 02-13-2005 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links
Ill make it short n sweet.

Few weeks ago I was approched to do the fucking fired site. K i aint stupid I know why they did this... Now after a long talk with few people and seeing Joesho's antics the last few weeks I made a decision that for my own "brand" and such it would not be wise both business and in general to even be associated with anything Joesmo touches.

Reason being that loose cannons tend to cause harm and bring bad press to anything they are involved in. No contracts were signed. I nicely and in professional manner said...

Hey JizBiz , I have some bad news for ya. I really cannot be part of the fuckin fired site and such any longer , i would appreciate it you would remove my face and any association with me to the site at your earliest convenience.

His response
Why are you pulling out at the last minute Juicy, everything is inplace due to your willingness to do this initially. The graphics have all been done which was no small job and the designer needs paying for this, the text and the site graphics/banners all need to be redone now because you decide a couple hrs after release that you arent interested?

My response:
Unfortunately I cant involve myself in this site any longer

His Response:

Why would you pull out now when such time, effort and energy (almost 3 weeks) has gone into this, and you were 100% involved and behind it all, if you had concerns you should have said something before all this was even considered, let alone put to page. Do you have any idea of how this looks?

How unprofessional this looks, not just from your end but our end as well, due to you pulling out, we need a reason as to why you did this.
Do we atleast get a reason?

My response:
As i said unfortunately i cant be part of it any longer my name cant be associated with this.

His response:
I will pass on your remarks to my partners and associates.

Then my response:
no problem , just make sure we get this handled of promptly and in a professional fashion. Have a good weekend

K then the loose cannon realized that his site would obviusly fail and decided to get all worked up. Now they are threatning me with a lawsuit which I am very eager to get served with.

So Bottom line here is ????
Program Owners , Sponsors , Webmasters do you really want to associate yourself with a loose cannon like Joesmo?


-Juicy

Good for you for sticking to your beliefs and protecting what you have worked hard for in this business... :thumbsup :thumbsup

Mike Okitch 02-13-2005 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by will76
I don't know you, but i have been reading your numerious post about this situation in the last 24 hours. Joesho has what like 5,000 plus post here and you have 50K+ post here so it is safe to say you are here 24/7 and no post gets past you. After reading all 5K+ of his post you couldn't tell what type of person he was ? You say...

Considering the sheer volume of daily posts this board gets, it's foolish to assume that anyone could see every single thing going on.

dirtydesignz 02-13-2005 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel
To be honest with you all it's realy not any of are business, Juicy was going to do something with him but no papers were signed and he changed his mind. That's it. I undersand that people are upset but it's Juicy's right to change his mind.


:2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

Maybe it's his right, but it sucks for the people who paid good hard earned money to make the site and all the ad material. A man is supposed to be as good as his word. Anyone who has been on this board for any length of time, knows Joesho is a loud mouth....post count doesn't matter at this point.

Juicy should be responsible for part of the money for designing the site and ad materials AND the cost of the redseign that HE wants, to remove his likeness. :2 cents:

will76 02-13-2005 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch
Considering the sheer volume of daily posts this board gets, it's foolish to assume that anyone could see every single thing going on.


Every post, sure no one can see every post. But come on, someone that has 50,000 + post must be reading an aweful lot of threads and I am sure he has seen enough of joesho's 9,000 post to have an idea if he is a "loose cannon" or not...

will76 02-13-2005 10:04 PM

Here's a novel idea. If you are sooo concerned with your "brande" why not do a little homework on the people you are partnering with before you agree to do the project ?????

Vitasoy 02-13-2005 10:26 PM

Moral of the story... always have your papers signed, first. :upsidedow

Smut 02-13-2005 10:33 PM

Never underestimate the value of a signed contract.

foolio 02-13-2005 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
Also owned a lumber company.


need sum wood?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Mike Okitch 02-14-2005 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by will76
Every post, sure no one can see every post. But come on, someone that has 50,000 + post must be reading an aweful lot of threads and I am sure he has seen enough of joesho's 9,000 post to have an idea if he is a "loose cannon" or not...

The number of posts doesn't say jack about the number of threads one person reads.

There are people with no posts that read a lot and people with many that read next to none.

Mike Okitch 02-14-2005 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by will76
Here's a novel idea. If you are sooo concerned with your "brande" why not do a little homework on the people you are partnering with before you agree to do the project ?????

It's dissapointing for Joesho that Juicy pulled out, that's perfectly understandable.

It's also perfectly understandable that Juicy pulls out for reason that are no one's business but his. Research or not, brand or not, it's his damn business.

Here's another novel idea. Leave Juicy do what he sees fit. He's a grown man and quite capable of handling himself.

will76 02-14-2005 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch
The number of posts doesn't say jack about the number of threads one person reads.

There are people with no posts that read a lot and people with many that read next to none.

Not sure why you can't see the logic here. All i am saying is that someone who has made 50,000+ post has to have read a hell of a lot of threads, unless he covers his eyes and enters threads randomly, post, and then doesn't read what people say when they reply to him. Could someone with less post count have read more, sure they could, but thats not my point.

will76 02-14-2005 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch
It's dissapointing for Joesho that Juicy pulled out, that's perfectly understandable.

It's also perfectly understandable that Juicy pulls out for reason that are no one's business but his. Research or not, brand or not, it's his damn business.

Here's another novel idea. Leave Juicy do what he sees fit. He's a grown man and quite capable of handling himself.


By all means, I woundn't want to stop the "post about bullshit marathon" thats going on here. If thats the way they conduct business, thats their problem, I just wish they would consolidate threads. Hard to cut through the bullshit around here when 9 out of 10 post are Alien this, headless that, juicy this, can't you guys start one bullshit haters thread ?

MicroChick 02-14-2005 01:06 AM

Juicy, my question for you is....why did you enter any kind of business deal with anyone on Oprano connected with Joe? They are scumbags. Listen to Brad. He knows what Nick, Gonzo, and Joe are like. They have no scrupples. They lie and cheat and they don't care if innocent people get hurt.

If you scrape the bottom of any barrel, you will find their dirty deeds.

They (Oprano Family) want traffic so much that they will start bullshit threads in a second to get attention. After all, the biggest scammer of all is/was Serge, and he gave Oprano to those who would follow in his rotten footsteps.

They sue and back up their cases with more lies. Juicy, I thought you had more brains than to get involved on any level with the likes of them. :(


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