House Approves Electronic ID Cards - Here Comes Big Brother! - GoFuckYourself.com

Harmon · 02-11-2005, 04:05 AM

The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic ID cards, including driver's licenses.

Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.

The measure, called the Real ID Act, says that driver's licenses and other ID cards must include a digital photograph, anticounterfeiting features and undefined "machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements" that could include a magnetic strip or RFID tag. The Department of Homeland Security would be charged with drafting the details of the regulation.

http://news.com.com/House+approves+e...bj=news.1028.5

Stamen · 02-11-2005, 04:48 AM

Pretty scary shit, RFID stuff leaves you really vulnerable - ecspecially if it has your drivers license information, all someone needs is a ranged RFID scanner and they will know your Name, DL#, and Home address, which is more then I'd be willing to give up to just anyone.

The part that scares me is this: Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government.

Not that biblical stuff is my cup of tea, but this passage seems to fit with the above statement

Revelations 13:16-18:

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six."

DVTimes · 02-11-2005, 05:04 AM

Controversial plans for identity cards have been passed by MPs.
The Tories abstained from a crucial vote on the scheme, though some of their backbenchers joined Labour rebels and Lib Dems in opposing the measure.

Tony Blair says the proposals are "long overdue" and are the best way to fight terrorism, organised crime and immigration abuses.

The Identity Cards Bill will introduce a single, universal ID Card for all UK citizens.

'Strategic blunder'

The report stages and third reading of the bill were debated on Thursday and it now moves to the House of Lords.

Michael Howard and his shadow cabinet had backed a scheme in principle, despite reports of strong opposition from some front benchers.

But shadow home secretary David Davis explained Tory MPs would abstain because ministers had failed to give assurances on how the scheme would work in practice.

He said the government had "failed to answer serious questions about practical issues to make this ID system work".

And he accused Labour of "playing politics" with the issue.

Tony Blair believes Mr Howard has committed an "enormous strategic blunder" which paves the way for Tory peers to join forces with Liberal Democrats in the Lords to kill the bill.

Mr Blair told MPs on Wednesday: "When organised crime and terrorism is far more sophisticated than ever before, I don't think it is wrong or a breach of anyone's civil liberties to say we should have an identity card."

Most people carried a form of identity with them anyway, he said.

'Opportunism'

In the Commons Home Secretary Charles Clarke attacked Mr Davis and the Conservatives saying their decision to abstain was a "betrayal of the interests of this country".

And he warned: "If in the final event, it does come to the case that we are not able to carry the legislation in this Parliamentary session, we will know quite clearly that the reason will be the decision of the opposition party, and their decision to put peace internally within their party ahead of the national interest."

Mark Oaten, the Liberal Democrats home affairs spokesman, said: "The Tories are an absolute shambles on ID cards.

"This is breathtaking opportunism. First they were for ID cards, now they are sitting on the fence. It is no wonder that the public don't see them as the opposition to Labour any more.

"It's time they had the courage to join the Liberal Democrats in opposing this expensive and illiberal measure."

'Expensive excuse'

UK Independence Party leader Roger Knapman rejected the idea that ID cards would help in fighting terrorism and said they were the "latest expensive excuse to meddle in peoples lives".

"As for helping to tackle immigration and asylum problems, the government has yet to explain how issuing ID cards will help when it openly admits it has no idea of the true number of illegal immigrants already in Britain."

The Identity Cards Bill was passed by MPs at its third reading by 224 votes to 64 - majority 160.

A total of 19 Labour MPs and 11 Tories rebelled against their respective party whips.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4252919.stm

media · 02-11-2005, 05:09 AM

My drivers license already has a digital photo, a magnetic data strip, anti counterfit measures... Its a normal Oregon State ID.. And Digital Signature on it.

My wifes college ID is more sophisticated than my drivers license.. It has the chip in it that is capable of storing currency on it for use in soda machines and in copy machines and stuff like that within the college..

02-11-2005, 05:54 AM

Welcome to Brave New World.

Jace · 02-11-2005, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by media

My drivers license already has a digital photo, a magnetic data strip, anti counterfit measures... Its a normal Oregon State ID.. And Digital Signature on it.

My wifes college ID is more sophisticated than my drivers license.. It has the chip in it that is capable of storing currency on it for use in soda machines and in copy machines and stuff like that within the college..

yeah, no shit...lots of states already have these...what is the big deal?

paranoid much people? makes me wonder what you all are doing wrong that makes you so worried

02-11-2005, 04:05 AM	#1
Harmon ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ) Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 20,010	House Approves Electronic ID Cards - Here Comes Big Brother! The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic ID cards, including driver's licenses. Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote. The measure, called the Real ID Act, says that driver's licenses and other ID cards must include a digital photograph, anticounterfeiting features and undefined "machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements" that could include a magnetic strip or RFID tag. The Department of Homeland Security would be charged with drafting the details of the regulation. http://news.com.com/House+approves+e...bj=news.1028.5 __________________ [email protected]

02-11-2005, 04:48 AM	#2
Stamen Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vegas Posts: 698	Pretty scary shit, RFID stuff leaves you really vulnerable - ecspecially if it has your drivers license information, all someone needs is a ranged RFID scanner and they will know your Name, DL#, and Home address, which is more then I'd be willing to give up to just anyone. The part that scares me is this: Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. Not that biblical stuff is my cup of tea, but this passage seems to fit with the above statement Revelations 13:16-18: "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six." __________________ Show me the pistil porn!

02-11-2005, 05:04 AM	#3
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,547	Controversial plans for identity cards have been passed by MPs. The Tories abstained from a crucial vote on the scheme, though some of their backbenchers joined Labour rebels and Lib Dems in opposing the measure. Tony Blair says the proposals are "long overdue" and are the best way to fight terrorism, organised crime and immigration abuses. The Identity Cards Bill will introduce a single, universal ID Card for all UK citizens. 'Strategic blunder' The report stages and third reading of the bill were debated on Thursday and it now moves to the House of Lords. Michael Howard and his shadow cabinet had backed a scheme in principle, despite reports of strong opposition from some front benchers. But shadow home secretary David Davis explained Tory MPs would abstain because ministers had failed to give assurances on how the scheme would work in practice. He said the government had "failed to answer serious questions about practical issues to make this ID system work". And he accused Labour of "playing politics" with the issue. Tony Blair believes Mr Howard has committed an "enormous strategic blunder" which paves the way for Tory peers to join forces with Liberal Democrats in the Lords to kill the bill. Mr Blair told MPs on Wednesday: "When organised crime and terrorism is far more sophisticated than ever before, I don't think it is wrong or a breach of anyone's civil liberties to say we should have an identity card." Most people carried a form of identity with them anyway, he said. 'Opportunism' In the Commons Home Secretary Charles Clarke attacked Mr Davis and the Conservatives saying their decision to abstain was a "betrayal of the interests of this country". And he warned: "If in the final event, it does come to the case that we are not able to carry the legislation in this Parliamentary session, we will know quite clearly that the reason will be the decision of the opposition party, and their decision to put peace internally within their party ahead of the national interest." Mark Oaten, the Liberal Democrats home affairs spokesman, said: "The Tories are an absolute shambles on ID cards. "This is breathtaking opportunism. First they were for ID cards, now they are sitting on the fence. It is no wonder that the public don't see them as the opposition to Labour any more. "It's time they had the courage to join the Liberal Democrats in opposing this expensive and illiberal measure." 'Expensive excuse' UK Independence Party leader Roger Knapman rejected the idea that ID cards would help in fighting terrorism and said they were the "latest expensive excuse to meddle in peoples lives". "As for helping to tackle immigration and asylum problems, the government has yet to explain how issuing ID cards will help when it openly admits it has no idea of the true number of illegal immigrants already in Britain." The Identity Cards Bill was passed by MPs at its third reading by 224 votes to 64 - majority 160. A total of 19 Labour MPs and 11 Tories rebelled against their respective party whips. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4252919.stm __________________ The Affiliate Program

02-11-2005, 05:09 AM	#4
media Confirmed Moneymaker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Eugene, OR It's Like Jail, Only with Trees! Posts: 9,852	My drivers license already has a digital photo, a magnetic data strip, anti counterfit measures... Its a normal Oregon State ID.. And Digital Signature on it. My wifes college ID is more sophisticated than my drivers license.. It has the chip in it that is capable of storing currency on it for use in soda machines and in copy machines and stuff like that within the college.. __________________ I'm here for the violence!

02-11-2005, 05:54 AM	#5
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	Welcome to Brave New World.