This could get very interesting... Bump for a fellow swede.

Go through this link:

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...agirl.com/aff/

can you find the affiliate ID on the signup page source?
I can't with IE.

word, this can be done with just about any affiliate tracking software out there, it's not CCBills problem, its the shady programs who choose to use it.

Bottom line, if you don't trust your sponsor don't use them.

One more point, as far as I know, the ccbill tracking works with cookies or IP stamps if cookies aren't allowed. Most programs out there use some sort of combination of session/cookie tracking. I think its a blessing that they allow us to override the cookie with a session/form variable to ensure that the affiliate gets credit regarless of IPs or cookies, i sure hope they don't change this.

it's the reason the nubiles links look like:

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...?coupon=611105

so in turn, this option is benefiting you for programs who choose to use it by crediting you sales that might not get credited by the cookie / ip tracking.

No I can not find it...
btw
The memberslink links here: http://www.netfreaks.com/members
There is no such site!

There is absolutely no way to prevent shaving.

Why do people keep hoping otherwise?

Our medium of delivery is the world wide web. There is no way to enforce what you guys are looking for. It's not going to happen. If you don't trust your sponsor, their affilate software is not going to help you.

Definetly.. And Imo. the source for this cheating is the program that cheats, not the prosessor, as he could propably do this on any prosessor.

It's like asking if we should build roads narrow so the cars won't drive too fast, or if we should catch those that do the fast driving..
Well, even on a narrow road you will see some sucker drive too fast.

The PA has to be signed up for that sponsor, otherwise it will not set a cookie = will not show the ID in the join form.

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...irtydaisy.com/

Try that one instead (found it through Google).

No Corvette?

Im signed up, and it does not work with my ID either. And the account is active.

Then I don't know why you don't see your ID there. I see it on all the other join pages I've looked at.

Your so right about that, but with ccbill you at least allways have a chance to check if your beeing cheated, even with trust in the program i've allways liked to have that posibility.

Those of you who want an example on this, can use the link FireC posted, but a little modified.

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...?coupon=123456

PA = 611105 <---- the account that should get the credit
coupon = 12345 <---- the account that will get the credit

2. Go the the Nubile join page, click on "Instant Credit Card Access" -> redirect to CCBill.
3. View Source and search for "123456". It's there.
4. Search for "611105". It's not there.

Do the same thing, but with the original link that FireC posted

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...?coupon=611105
2. Go the the Nubile join page, click on "Instant Credit Card Access" -> redirect to CCBill.
3. View Source and search for "611105". It's there.

If you want to, you can even do a test signup and see who gets credit.

looks like the session tracking is working! :)

does this answer your question of a legitmate use for this behavior?

This just in!

You can steal beer from liquor stores! Just go in and grab what you want, then run out and drive away! See who gets paid for the beer... nobody! From now on all liquor stores must be constructed like pawn shops are with a buzz door and bullet proof glass because some kids decided to drink to much without paying for it...

No.
That variable should not override the cookie. If the cookie exist, the wm id should be read from it. But if it doesn't exist, then it should read that variable.

Exactly. But you can reduce the costs of it. If you send lots of traffic, you have the data to analyze. I can say this over and over again:
You can ask and read here and there, search on comments about sponsors, but the only thing you should trust is yourself (unfortunately). This is what you should do;
Spend some hours each week/month on your data. It is really the most profitable time you will ever spend! Heads up and top spot on your best converting sponsors (not ratios, but $/outgoing traffic) - get rid of bad sites (which could be good for YOU, if they just stayed out of nasty tricks). Make it routine and create a checklist of known tricks that you can use when choosing a new sponsor.
Its sounds very boring and nerdy, and it IS! But if you think biz you should do it. When I first started on this, the week after my sales rised 70% with same traffic.

Hmm.. I'm getting a bit confused here.. Is that /?coupon=123456 extention added to the code allready when you get the code from the sponsor ?
If so then it's not a script changing your code once you hit the site but seems rather like an optional way of tracking ?
could it be that the sponsor writes on the link page that you have to replace the 123456 part with your affiliate id as well as the normal xxxxxxx part ?

<input type=hidden name=ccbill_referer value='123456'> :(

Bingo! :)

In our webmaster area the coupon= is linked with your affiliate code and is the same number as the PA.

Basically with our system, which doesn't rely on the ccbill cookie (but uses it as a backup), you are getting more sales credited to your account :) Any questions hit me up icq 4162727

Yep, that is the way to go, unfurtunatly trust will only get you so far, but you still have to keep on checking up on things.

On a sitenote here, are you the same DD that ran the DDboard ? remember having trades with that years ago in the good old board days :)

My ratios are good with nubiles, and if you configured your links correctly, I can assure they dont cheat.

no..I dont know that board

Dude, it has nothing to do with Nubiles. If you can read above I said "EXAMPLE". They're just using the way I was talking about. So I used them as an EXAMPLE.

ok :winkwink:

Thanks DD, I appreciate the traffic :) If anyone wants to know more about how we track and/or how it benefits them, hit me up.

who would use their link without his ID? As said before, you have to add your ID twice to that linking code. If you link to a sponsor with wrong link code and dont get credit for it, is he shaving you?

hehe. I had no clicks in one week, and I contacted the sponsor and very pissed off accusing him for shaving. They checked, and it was wrong code. Learned my lession then...very embarrasing...indeed :1orglaugh

1. I'm not even signed up to Nubiles.
2. I used Nubiles as an example.
3. I can replicate it with any CORRECT formatted CCBill link code.

please do :)

Not sure how that'd work. CCBill is a 3rd party proc not an AVS that all sites will have to use the exact same signup form. Many proggies use their own custom tracking system cause that local tracking could be much better than a central tracking system plus they could also add an alternative ip tracking too in order to max the sales for affiliates. CCBill gives an option to also disable rebill credits that could also be seen as shaving. CCbill gives option to set cookie expiry time, a webmaster could just set it to 1 minute and shave his affiliates. Bottomline, you cannot hold ccbill responsible for webmasters misusing options provided by ccbill. Just look at CCBill as a 3rd party processor who'll send you the checks if you made sales (or first, if a webmaster let you get credit for those sales :upsidedow ) on time everytime. So just test the sponsor carefully before you decide to send him traffic.

I was not talking about nubiles, it was just an example, too.

Hmm.. I might be missing something, but as far as i see you can only do that by adding /?coupon=123456 extention, and why would you do that ?

Hit me up on ICQ and I will give you an example. icq is in my sig.

that's a trip. crazy shit. fuck it, I'm going to go back and work for Arby's

Can you explain what is going on here? I was going to send them traffic.

When I followed that link, I didn't see 767551 on the page with the CCBill buttons, but what is it replaced by? What is that number being changed to?

Seems to me, that the only way for this "shave" to work is for the sponsor to exploit it, which means it's the sponsor at fault, not ccbill...:pimp

check the join page, its there:

<input type=hidden name=ccbill_referer value='767551'><input type=hidden name=referingURL value='http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=6568608&posted=1#post6568608'>

its the source code of this last site you have to check (after you gone through the link code, of course) : https://bill.ccbill.com/jpost/signup.cgi

I wasn't trying to diminish your find. Just pointing out that the ID variable has been exploited before. Definitely something all webmasters need to watch out for when choosing a sponsor.

For the record, I think CCBill is an excellent company & use several affiliate programs that rebill for months & months.