Scamming Affiliate - Paysite owners beware...a PrivateIvy rant !! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Johny Traffic · 02-04-2005, 10:27 AM

50 bounced checks

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goBigtime

No really. He would.

Especially if I linked to the guys site in this thread (that he might stumble upon in his ref logs).

Anyway, just trying to offer a friendly suggestion to CYA during rants where you are being recorded forever.

I hear ya...thanks for the advice. Actually I hope he does find it in his stats so he knows he fucked with the wrong person

Ivy

goBigtime · 02-04-2005, 10:39 AM

What would you do if say... Agelina Joliee posted your publicly available data on her fan forum and said something like... "I hate Private Ivy ... here's her home address - feel free to pay her a visit for me." And then you saw that in your logs.

I completely understand getting frustrated with crooks like that and venting, I just hope (for your sake, not his) that you don't have any lurking fans or stalkers here that want to impress you is what I'm saying.

psyko514 · 02-04-2005, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

it's not smart to have an 89.95 option available. ESPECIALLY on credit card transactions

I'm guessing you mean check transactions.

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goBigtime

What would you do if say... Agelina Joliee posted your publicly available data on her fan forum and said something like... "I hate Private Ivy ... here's her home address - feel free to pay her a visit for me." And then you saw that in your logs.

I completely understand getting frustrated with crooks like that and venting, I just hope (for your sake, not his) that you don't have any lurking fans or stalkers here that want to impress you is what I'm saying.

What webmaster is stupid enough to put their home address available on yahoo?

I wouldn't mind because nowhere on the internet will you find my actual physical address publicly available...and if I scammed someone like this guy did, I guess I'd assume I deserved it .

Ivy

ShaneRyale · 02-04-2005, 11:23 AM

DAMN!! I just sent him a FAT check as well.

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneRyale

DAMN!! I just sent him a FAT check as well.

I hope that was a joke

Ivy

nojob · 02-04-2005, 11:42 AM

thanks for the word.

DaddysGirl · 02-04-2005, 11:52 AM

Bump for Ivy...that sucks ass

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psyko514

I'm guessing you mean check transactions.

I'm guessing he did too ....

Ivy

sickkittens · 02-04-2005, 12:50 PM

That sucks.

Hope he gets caught.

Heather Hamptons · 02-04-2005, 02:51 PM

How did he manage that? Did he signup to your site(s) himself using false info? In that case, why wouldn't ccbill catch that? As hard as they scrub you'd think they would pick up on it.

BV · 02-04-2005, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

hmm...never heard that one before. 3 of my sites do very well with that option. Just because a dishonest webmaster screwed it up this time , I don't think I should change join options that are converting well on my sites...

Ivy

Because 1 $100 Chargeback is equal to 10 $10 Chargebacks and if your Chargebacks total more that 2.5% of your proceeds your fucked.

BV · 02-04-2005, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psyko514

I'm guessing you mean check transactions.

no. i mean (Visa) credit card transactions

bogus check transactions don't hurt anything but your ego when they take back the money that you THOUGHT you made.

Xplicit · 02-04-2005, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Hey, he has his home address listed on yahoo !!! LMFAO

Orlando Robles

2 Oakview Ter
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130-4902 (map)

Tel.: (617) 983-1489 (call this number)

( http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/lg:...one=6179831489 )

Anybody local to him, feel free to stop by for me :-

Ivy

Damn, owned

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

Because 1 $100 Chargeback is equal to 10 $10 Chargebacks and if your Chargebacks total more that 2.5% of your proceeds your fucked.

Well of course I know that...but we're talking about check signups here. And thankfully in the last 2 years I've only had 6 total chargebacks, some of those being idiot webmasters. Returned checks are a different story though but I'm switching my processor for ACH payments now

Ivy

foolio · 02-04-2005, 05:02 PM

all scammers need to be ass fucked

Tanker · 02-04-2005, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

I hope that was a joke

Ivy

Hey Ivy no that wasnt a joke we did some research on him

he or his partner is in montreal as well

he sent us 125 joins

1 to CCbill
124 to WTS checks all on the 3 month option funny thing is he contacted us because his name on the check was wrong and we had to reissue it
today we cancelled that check it was just sent out a day or so ago

thank you for pointing it out!

the ccbill charged back
and 60% of the checks have bounced and been paid on

it appears that NATS doesnt mark them when they get returned and we still pay on them I am not sure about this but I would like to investigate it more
it may not be nats but a WTS issue of not reporting them

I am going to see if nats can not pay on checks untill they clear
this would clear up a lot of issues

at this point I Think I am going to turn off the check option on our joins untill we can get somthing in place to prevent it

its assholes like this that fuck it up for everyone else

Tanker

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanker

Hey Ivy no that wasnt a joke we did some research on him

he or his partner is in montreal as well

he sent us 125 joins

1 to CCbill
124 to WTS checks all on the 3 month option funny thing is he contacted us because his name on the check was wrong and we had to reissue it
today we cancelled that check it was just sent out a day or so ago

thank you for pointing it out!

the ccbill charged back
and 60% of the checks have bounced and been paid on

it appears that NATS doesnt mark them when they get returned and we still pay on them I am not sure about this but I would like to investigate it more
it may not be nats but a WTS issue of not reporting them

I am going to see if nats can not pay on checks untill they clear
this would clear up a lot of issues

at this point I Think I am going to turn off the check option on our joins untill we can get somthing in place to prevent it

its assholes like this that fuck it up for everyone else

Tanker

Damn Tanker

Your story is worse than mine. But WOOHOO that you cancelled payment on his check!!! I hope he gets shut down big time ....

I am glad to know that by sharing this it did at least help someone out ( besides just allowing me to vent LOL ) !

Ivy

Tanker · 02-04-2005, 06:07 PM

I hope that this guy goes away or goes to jail we are investigating further

chri$tian · 02-04-2005, 06:08 PM

WOW THIS GUY GETS AROUND

He sent us 173 Joins at $69.99 with 17 chargbacks SO FAR.. I cut him off last week, but have sent him over 5k so for..... FUCKING DICK.....

His next 2 week payout was $3600 commission, I cut him off right before that...

Today I got a call for some old lady asking why WE took her money out of her bank account too.. FUCKING SUX, the refunds and chargebacks will be ROLLING in over the next 60 days.... YIKES...

chri$tian · 02-04-2005, 06:33 PM

P.S. His address where we send check is in Canada...

Wiggles · 02-04-2005, 06:38 PM

damn that sucks, hope everything works out in the end.

rowan · 02-04-2005, 06:50 PM

I was going to reply and ask why it was such a big deal considering your net loss is zero, and he wouldn't have been paid by ccbill anyway... but I changed my mind when I saw he had scammed others as well.

Heather Hamptons · 02-04-2005, 07:27 PM

Im just unclear as to how he's doing this. Does he have access to other people's bank accounts?

Either way, why isn't anyone reporting him for fraud?

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlasChris

WOW THIS GUY GETS AROUND

He sent us 173 Joins at $69.99 with 17 chargbacks SO FAR.. I cut him off last week, but have sent him over 5k so for..... FUCKING DICK.....

His next 2 week payout was $3600 commission, I cut him off right before that...

Today I got a call for some old lady asking why WE took her money out of her bank account too.. FUCKING SUX, the refunds and chargebacks will be ROLLING in over the next 60 days.... YIKES...

OMG.... hearing both of you guys stories I'm so glad that caught him early !!!

Hate it for all that he has been able to scam like this ..maybe we should all join up and go after him

Ivy

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heather Hamptons

Im just unclear as to how he's doing this. Does he have access to other people's bank accounts?

Either way, why isn't anyone reporting him for fraud?

I'm not sure yet because as you know, you don't get the actual bank acct info of each signup from ccbill.

I hope these other guys go after him since he was able to get away with much more from them and don't know if/how I'll pursue it.

I do know I'm switching ACH processors to a company that does try to collect on returned checks and scrubs them harder. Thanks to Ben at http://www.achdebit.com/ I'll have less worries soon, but still be accepting checks on all my sites.

Ivy

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 08:11 PM

Bumping this again since we now know of 3 programs this guy has scammed...want everyone to see and shut this fucker down

Ivy

andrej_NDC · 02-04-2005, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

Because 1 $100 Chargeback is equal to 10 $10 Chargebacks and if your Chargebacks total more that 2.5% of your proceeds your fucked.

isnt most important: number of transactions --> number of CHBs
?

BV · 02-04-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

isnt most important: number of transactions --> number of CHBs
?

thhat is important as well and needs to stay below 1%

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

isnt most important: number of transactions --> number of CHBs
?

That's what I thought.. I thought it was the percentage of transactions, not the dollar amount, am I wrong ?

Ivy

venus · 02-04-2005, 11:10 PM

see, thats why I dont use a third party processor or let them run my affiliate program.
when I have a scammer I just cancel the check I wrote.
total control over your business is a must, anything less and your business is at the mercy of other people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

I use CCBill. When he sent the 3rd $89.95 signup with only 300 uniques and no other signup types, I called them to have them check into it.

Ivy

DWB · 02-04-2005, 11:36 PM

OK... done. I just smoked his punk ass. He will not be bothering anyone again.

Paul Markham · 02-05-2005, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Checks are available only for US surfers and everybody with money in US have a cc in my opinion. Mostly frauders pay by checks. Now somebody will tell, that his check sales are 20%+ of his income, but fact is, check option means less cc sales and many checks are returned...

Precisely, the main reason to use a check is you can't use a CC, maxed out?, do you want to take a check from this guy?

Paul Markham · 02-05-2005, 12:49 AM

Looking at this thread I think the best people to contact would be the police. He has an operation running scamming people.

Nathan · 02-05-2005, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanker

Hey Ivy no that wasnt a joke we did some research on him

he or his partner is in montreal as well

he sent us 125 joins

1 to CCbill
124 to WTS checks all on the 3 month option funny thing is he contacted us because his name on the check was wrong and we had to reissue it
today we cancelled that check it was just sent out a day or so ago

thank you for pointing it out!

the ccbill charged back
and 60% of the checks have bounced and been paid on

it appears that NATS doesnt mark them when they get returned and we still pay on them I am not sure about this but I would like to investigate it more
it may not be nats but a WTS issue of not reporting them

I am going to see if nats can not pay on checks untill they clear
this would clear up a lot of issues

at this point I Think I am going to turn off the check option on our joins untill we can get somthing in place to prevent it

its assholes like this that fuck it up for everyone else

Tanker

NATS will mark them returned as soon as WTS tells us about it. You can however also set NATS up so that it does not count the sale until the check actually clears.

Contact me or post a ticket about this.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-05-2005, 01:39 AM

i bet this guy is dumpster diving a post office for check stubs

sean416 · 02-05-2005, 01:55 AM

damn, this guy must be burning a lot of people. So Ivy, do you mean to say that this guy was paid for his sales and because they bounced the balance was taken out of your check? That sucks.

BV · 02-05-2005, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

That's what I thought.. I thought it was the percentage of transactions, not the dollar amount, am I wrong ?

Ivy

You're a bitch with brains, figure it out for yourself by researching it or calling someone that knows. Most people here don't have a clue.

How many big programs can you find with a $99 option?

Not too many right? right

what does that tell you?

I'm also telling you from experience, I've been there and done that.

Later,
BV

PrivateIvy · 02-05-2005, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

You're a bitch with brains, figure it out for yourself by researching it or calling someone that knows. Most people here don't have a clue.

How many big programs can you find with a $99 option?

Not too many right? right

what does that tell you?

I'm also telling you from experience, I've been there and done that.

Later,
BV

I asked a simple question, don't think that response was called for but, Ummmm.... ok.....

I'll research it , I forgot this is GFY and noone wants to actually share a valid source of info LMAO , they'd rather call you an idiot and put you down for not knowing something.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom

Ivy

PrivateIvy · 02-05-2005, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean416

damn, this guy must be burning a lot of people. So Ivy, do you mean to say that this guy was paid for his sales and because they bounced the balance was taken out of your check? That sucks.

Yes, because he only sends 1 sale per day at the largest signup level so by the time he's caught you have already been paid and he has as well, so yea, $624.55 has now been deducted from my checks.

Ivy

andrej_NDC · 02-05-2005, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

I'm also telling you from experience, I've been there and done that.

me too, no problems with it...if 2.5% is the limit, its easy...Even 1% for transaction amount would be not that hard...

PrivateIvy · 02-05-2005, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

me too, no problems with it...if 2.5% is the limit, its easy...Even 1% for transaction amount would be not that hard...

I just checked.... and found this:
___________
What is the chargeback ratio?
The chargeback ratio is the ratio between the "number of transactions" and chargebacks. The maximum chargeback ratio is 2.5%. Any account that exceeds this maximum will be closed. All funds of such an account will be held for 180 days as an insurance deposit.
__________
Which appears to me as I thought... the ratio of the number of transactions, not the dollar amounts... gonna check some more but this is what I always thought.

Ivy

andrej_NDC · 02-05-2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

I just checked.... and found this:
___________
What is the chargeback ratio?
The chargeback ratio is the ratio between the "number of transactions" and chargebacks. The maximum chargeback ratio is 2.5%. Any account that exceeds this maximum will be closed. All funds of such an account will be held for 180 days as an insurance deposit.
__________
Which appears to me as I thought... the ratio of the number of transactions, not the dollar amounts... gonna check some more but this is what I always thought.

Ivy

hmmm, but 2.5% in what period of time? At the end of the year for yearly stats, or monthly?

PrivateIvy · 02-05-2005, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

hmmm, but 2.5% in what period of time? At the end of the year for yearly stats, or monthly?

Another excerpt from my google search

....your chargeback ratio which is governed on a monthly basis by Visa and MasterCard International. Your
chargeback ratio is calculated by the number of captured transactions in a given month divided by the number of chargebacks received in the same month".

Ivy

andrej_NDC · 02-05-2005, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Another excerpt from my google search

....your chargeback ratio which is governed on a monthly basis by Visa and MasterCard International. Your
chargeback ratio is calculated by the number of captured transactions in a given month divided by the number of chargebacks received in the same month".

Ivy

good info, thanks

ShaneRyale · 02-05-2005, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

NATS will mark them returned as soon as WTS tells us about it. You can however also set NATS up so that it does not count the sale until the check actually clears.

Contact me or post a ticket about this.

Thanks Nathan! NATS is #1!

I'll post a ticket today about.

ShaneRyale · 02-05-2005, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Damn Tanker

Your story is worse than mine. But WOOHOO that you cancelled payment on his check!!! I hope he gets shut down big time ....

I am glad to know that by sharing this it did at least help someone out ( besides just allowing me to vent LOL ) !

Ivy

Ivy,

Thanks for the post! I think we caught his check in time! Tanker and I spend last night researching even more into this and are compiling a list of people we've already caught and so new ones that look sketchy. We'll post them for you, so this won't happen to us again with the guys on the list at least.

Thanks,

PrivateIvy · 02-05-2005, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneRyale

Ivy,

Thanks for the post! I think we caught his check in time! Tanker and I spend last night researching even more into this and are compiling a list of people we've already caught and so new ones that look sketchy. We'll post them for you, so this won't happen to us again with the guys on the list at least.

Thanks,

You're welcome

And yea, I'd love to get a heads up on others when you have it...may save headaches

Ivy

andrej_NDC · 02-05-2005, 05:46 PM

Mark (corvett) just told me this:
visa is 1% by transaction count and 2.5% by dollar amount

so, BV was right about the numbers

02-04-2005, 10:27 AM	#51
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02-04-2005, 10:39 AM	#53
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	What would you do if say... Agelina Joliee posted your publicly available data on her fan forum and said something like... "I hate Private Ivy ... here's her home address - feel free to pay her a visit for me." And then you saw that in your logs. I completely understand getting frustrated with crooks like that and venting, I just hope (for your sake, not his) that you don't have any lurking fans or stalkers here that want to impress you is what I'm saying. Last edited by goBigtime; 02-04-2005 at 10:41 AM..

02-04-2005, 11:23 AM	#56
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02-04-2005, 11:52 AM	#59
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02-04-2005, 12:50 PM	#61
sickkittens I am a meat popsicle. Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,100	That sucks. Hope he gets caught. __________________ HIGHEST PAYOUTS FOR NO-CONSOLE TOURS IN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY! THIS SIG CAN BE YOURS FOR $200 - ICQ: 78881543

02-04-2005, 11:42 AM	#58
nojob The Original NoJob Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Jerzzey Posts: 3,682	thanks for the word.

02-04-2005, 02:51 PM	#62
Heather Hamptons Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,306	How did he manage that? Did he signup to your site(s) himself using false info? In that case, why wouldn't ccbill catch that? As hard as they scrub you'd think they would pick up on it. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

02-04-2005, 05:02 PM	#67
foolio ICQ: 178725656 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 12,366	all scammers need to be ass fucked __________________

02-04-2005, 06:07 PM	#70
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	I hope that this guy goes away or goes to jail we are investigating further __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

02-04-2005, 06:08 PM	#71
chri$tian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,468	WOW THIS GUY GETS AROUND He sent us 173 Joins at $69.99 with 17 chargbacks SO FAR.. I cut him off last week, but have sent him over 5k so for..... FUCKING DICK..... His next 2 week payout was $3600 commission, I cut him off right before that... Today I got a call for some old lady asking why WE took her money out of her bank account too.. FUCKING SUX, the refunds and chargebacks will be ROLLING in over the next 60 days.... YIKES... __________________ http://www.3dsex.com

02-04-2005, 06:33 PM	#72
chri$tian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,468	P.S. His address where we send check is in Canada... __________________ http://www.3dsex.com

02-04-2005, 06:38 PM	#73
Wiggles Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 14,423	damn that sucks, hope everything works out in the end. __________________ no sig

02-04-2005, 06:50 PM	#74
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I was going to reply and ask why it was such a big deal considering your net loss is zero, and he wouldn't have been paid by ccbill anyway... but I changed my mind when I saw he had scammed others as well. Last edited by rowan; 02-04-2005 at 06:52 PM..

02-04-2005, 07:27 PM	#75
Heather Hamptons Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,306	Im just unclear as to how he's doing this. Does he have access to other people's bank accounts? Either way, why isn't anyone reporting him for fraud? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

02-04-2005, 08:11 PM	#78
PrivateIvy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,257	Bumping this again since we now know of 3 programs this guy has scammed...want everyone to see and shut this fucker down Ivy

02-04-2005, 11:36 PM	#83
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	OK... done. I just smoked his punk ass. He will not be bothering anyone again.

02-05-2005, 12:49 AM	#85
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Looking at this thread I think the best people to contact would be the police. He has an operation running scamming people. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

02-05-2005, 01:39 AM	#87
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	i bet this guy is dumpster diving a post office for check stubs __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

02-05-2005, 01:55 AM	#88
sean416 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,633	damn, this guy must be burning a lot of people. So Ivy, do you mean to say that this guy was paid for his sales and because they bounced the balance was taken out of your check? That sucks. __________________ ServerProvider.com

02-05-2005, 05:46 PM	#100
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Mark (corvett) just told me this: visa is 1% by transaction count and 2.5% by dollar amount so, BV was right about the numbers