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Due · 11-17-2001, 03:09 PM

The last couple of months I think traffic trading sites have taken a REALLY bad turn

I've noticed terms like "mother son" "father son" "incest" "banned" etc. etc. Even saw death porn with real galleries also

Why does people not cut their trades with such sites?
And why are the sponsors not doing anything?
This is some of the stuff that is really giving the adult biz. a bad name but people does not seem to care at all. Or do they?

OsirisPLR · 11-17-2001, 03:13 PM

I don't think the necro sex is real. And if it is, kudos to those brave enough to stick their dick in a corpse! lol

My trade site is pretty clean. And I am looking for people to trade with. So if anyone is interested: http://www.explicitsexzone.com

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Due · 11-17-2001, 03:35 PM

It is not that much the point if it is real or not. More the message it send out to people. No one seems to care much about incest and death porn links. Wich will really hurt the adult biz I think.

Jer · 11-17-2001, 03:55 PM

Yeah, I agree with Due.

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Lightning · 11-17-2001, 04:10 PM

Right on Due. Just using those type links is bad for the industry...
But if you notice the type of sites that use those links, the majority of them are the cheaters in the biz already...The Quick buck type of mentality...

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Amputate Your Head · 11-17-2001, 04:25 PM

So death and incest is bad for the porn industry, but 4 billion sites giving everything away for free is good?

Due · 11-17-2001, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
So death and incest is bad for the porn industry, but 4 billion sites giving everything away for free is good?

No 4 billion sites giving everything away for free is not good neither. But if thouse 4 billion sites also paid for their bandwidth and content then it would be good since they would try to get sales from it and work hard for it.
While stuff like Incest, death porn etc. really hurt the industry from outside investores (non adult)
2 months back I was changing bank and was at a meeting with someone that worked at the bank. I told her that I worked within the adult industry and provided surfers with nude pictures the first reaply I got "does it involve children"
I really think more of the big sponsors should do something about this.
IE. mayby make a foundation for someone doing something against this kind of sites (incest, death porn, child porn etc) I would be happy as example to give $1-5 per signup or a % per recurring charge.
But I have no idea who should run such a thing or how it should be handled but it would be great if some big sponsor could handle it and perhaps get someone to do it for the money that the webmasters is willing to pay. I'm sure I'm not the only one that wanna get this bussineess cleaned up. Because the fact is that it is getting more and more dirty day by day.

Due · 11-17-2001, 04:49 PM

Besides if we don't start cleaning our own shit the governments will do that. Basicly I don't need to care about that since I don't have to conform under the US gov. rules but still think it is in everybodies best interest

Amputate Your Head · 11-17-2001, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Due:
mayby make a foundation for someone doing something against this kind of sites

But I have no idea who should run such a thing

ACPO

Due · 11-17-2001, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

Quote:

Originally posted by Due:
mayby make a foundation for someone doing something against this kind of sites

But I have no idea who should run such a thing

ACPO

Apparently they are not doing a very good job. Mayby because they can only break down on sites that are obviously illegal. But what about some kind of orginazation that actually block out theese kind of people. Going to their sponsors, their webhost, getting them blacklisted etc etc.
If people backup this it could actually work

Amputate Your Head · 11-17-2001, 05:13 PM

ASACP

Due · 11-17-2001, 05:13 PM

Also.... I'm not trying to get someone just to close down illegal sites.
I'm trying to get something going that have the power to shut down borderline sites.
People that have the power to block out bad sites, blacklist them from sponsorship programs and get people to stop their traffic trades with them (no sponsors paying them = no money.... no traffic trades = no traffic = no mney = in the end = no sites)

Amputate Your Head · 11-17-2001, 05:15 PM

Point being, there are already plenty of organizations doing their part to put a stop to that kind of shit. Now all we need is one more, right? You're never going to get rid of it completely, short of hunting them down on a daily basis and killing them.

Due · 11-17-2001, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
ASACP

And I'm not just talking about CP. But basicly a way to help every illegal site to be shut down and / or blacklisted so they loose traffic.... putting preasure on the host etc. would help a lot. ASACP would need real penetration shots etc. with children before they could do anything.
Why not make something that all / most of the bigger webmasters agree to and enforce it that way. Will give a lot better results

Steve · 11-17-2001, 05:22 PM

Due
Why not just bring this up on AWI general board? I bet people will change their links if everyone gets pissed and pulls their links.

I know I will not sign up to trade with a site that has fucked up links on it. For two reasons -
1 I don't like shit like that. I don't even like seeing the word "lolita".
2 That kind of traffic sure isn't going to buy from my sponsor. Might as well be img src'ing me

Due · 11-17-2001, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Point being, there are already plenty of organizations doing their part to put a stop to that kind of shit. Now all we need is one more, right? You're never going to get rid of it completely, short of hunting them down on a daily basis and killing them.

Yes I agree there is a lot of people out there fighting this.
But what WOULD help would be sponsors (several big ones) saying we will give that much of your earning to help fight CP and other similar stuff.
If enough sponsors did that it could really make a difference. I don't care if it goes to a current organization or a new one. As long as it helps I'm happy

Due · 11-17-2001, 05:30 PM

Steve>
I tried that before on the AWI. No luck...
Most people don't seem to care as long as you can send traffic.
That is why I wrote it here. There is more fo the bigger sponsors hanging out here. Hopefully they could help making a difference since their normal trades don't seem to care

candidpublishinginc · 11-17-2001, 06:07 PM

I have to agree with Due here.

As a sponsor I really don't like this incest and death crap all over a site that's advertising us. It makes us and the industry overall look bad.

Any webmasters that have to stoop at such a low level to get traffic, shouldn't be in this industry in the first place.

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Due · 11-17-2001, 06:37 PM

I'm going to look into if the "Safe the children" foundation can make anything that is web realeated

Unchilled · 11-17-2001, 06:58 PM

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Also.... I'm not trying to get someone just to close down illegal sites.
I'm trying to get something going that have the power to shut down borderline sites.
People that have the power to block out bad sites, blacklist them from sponsorship programs and get people to stop their traffic trades with them (no sponsors paying them = no money.... no traffic trades = no traffic = no mney = in the end = no sites)

Bullshit.

Due, who the fuck are you or I or anyone else to say (with authority) what's okay to promote? CP, of course that's illegal and should be shut down. It's a free fucking country, and anything that's legal shouldn't be banned.

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Unchilled · 11-17-2001, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Due:
Yes I agree there is a lot of people out there fighting this.
But what WOULD help would be sponsors (several big ones) saying we will give that much of your earning to help fight CP and other similar stuff.
If enough sponsors did that it could really make a difference. I don't care if it goes to a current organization or a new one. As long as it helps I'm happy

BTW, I HATE bureaucracies
and I'm sure an organization funded in such a manner would piss of a whole lot of webmasters.

SNOW · 11-17-2001, 07:32 PM

There is freedom and rights,but i beleive there always pushed too the limit and abused.. I agree with due.. The more red flags you see on the net the more organazations will do something about it.. The porn industry DOES NOT NEED RED FLAGS.. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut..And do the right thing..

Phiber · 11-17-2001, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Unchilled:
Bullshit.

Due, who the fuck are you or I or anyone else to say (with authority) what's okay to promote? CP, of course that's illegal and should be shut down. It's a free fucking country, and anything that's legal shouldn't be banned.

I don't think the everyday webmaster can do much but if some of the top sponsors would put their foot down on this then it could make a difference. Much like candidpublishinginc said.

I think there are a another problem here too and that's sponsors running these sites. I see sponsor programs running "art" sites with young children all over the web. When it comes to this CC processors must do their part to.

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RMS · 11-17-2001, 08:05 PM

About a year ago, I had a site contact me for a topsite link trade.

I checked out the site and it was a cp front door. Most of the girls on the opening page were not young looking models. They were 10-16 years old.

I told the guy, that I would not associate with that type of site and that I was reporting him. He basically told me to get lost. "As the images are artistic in nature and don't show genitals". Which was true, no closeups or anything like that. Just little girls almost naked or naked from a distance.
Lots of text links describing in graphic detail what they were doing inside the site (pay) with their dogs, dads, brothers, sisters etc.

I reported them to asacp and another organization, that I don't recall. I got form letters back from both places requiring me to provide them a password to allow them access inside the site to ascertain the legality of the cp site.

I lost alot of faith in these "monitors" ability to do anything. I know the arguments about artistic license, descriptive text not being illegal and all that rubbish, still... It makes you wonder if anything can really be done by the "average" webmaster or citizen.

I suppose I could have reported it to the fbi, but, everyone knows what a good job they do.

RMS

Unchilled · 11-18-2001, 01:54 PM

I monitor all my links and I'm perfectly capable on my own to control shit I don't want to link to.

mukoh · 11-18-2001, 03:57 PM

Due, I agree with you on some parts.
CP is not acceptable or good for the biz.
But this is not what is giving adult biz its bad name. Whats giving adult biz a bad name is when a surfer is afraid to pull out a credit card and signup for $30 because he reads stories monthly about sites Crosbilling, doulbe billing, not letting people cancel, billing more then stated, and having charges show up which are from sites where the user hasn't even been. Thats the worst name, is when people are afraid to spend.

qcmoney · 11-18-2001, 04:34 PM

Aloha,

As far as death, rape, cp, etc... History likes to repeat itself. Most civilizations that hit a point of advanced technology also exhibit moral decline. Those civilizations are typically then wiped out. Roman Empire is the best example, but there are others.

So we're seeing the same thing happen now. Hopefully we are advanced enough to prevent destruction. Probably though it'll just happen that much more quickly.

If the industry doesn't regulate itself, the government will eventually. Perhaps something along the lines of a BBB for adult sites.

Also, anyone who has any clout should push hard for the adoption of the SET protocol - www.setco.org - It will reduce CC fraud.

Of course, this is assuming we don't blown ourselves up in the near future.

Sorry for the rambling and ranting, it's been a while since I posted...

TheFLY · 11-18-2001, 04:53 PM

If the webmaster does not seem to be a total moron, convince them that they will make better money in more legitimate ventures.

I think it was Lensman who gave me the analogy of this type of traffic being "freakshow" traffic... it's worthless... at least until my new paysite "deadpornstarsex.com" is released ;)

Anyway I do the same shit with CJ sites... Fall into line or suffer the consequences. That's why you hear so many CJ site webmasters crying that nobody will link to them -- they cry that they make no money. Fuck them.

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Unchilled · 11-18-2001, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by qcmoney:
Aloha,

As far as death, rape, cp, etc... History likes to repeat itself. Most civilizations that hit a point of advanced technology also exhibit moral decline. Those civilizations are typically then wiped out. Roman Empire is the best example, but there are others.

So we're seeing the same thing happen now. Hopefully we are advanced enough to prevent destruction. Probably though it'll just happen that much more quickly.

If the industry doesn't regulate itself, the government will eventually. Perhaps something along the lines of a BBB for adult sites.

Also, anyone who has any clout should push hard for the adoption of the SET protocol - www.setco.org - It will reduce CC fraud.

Of course, this is assuming we don't blown ourselves up in the near future.

Sorry for the rambling and ranting, it's been a while since I posted...

I'm pretty confident the porn industry won't destroy us all.

Unchilled · 11-18-2001, 06:58 PM

BTW, the BBB is a joke. Still haven't figured out why it exists.

qcmoney · 11-20-2001, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unchilled:
I'm pretty confident the porn industry won't destroy us all.

I wasn't talking about the porn industry, actually. It's only a small piece of the overall decline.

11-17-2001, 03:09 PM	#1
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	The Ethics of trading sites lately The last couple of months I think traffic trading sites have taken a REALLY bad turn I've noticed terms like "mother son" "father son" "incest" "banned" etc. etc. Even saw death porn with real galleries also Why does people not cut their trades with such sites? And why are the sponsors not doing anything? This is some of the stuff that is really giving the adult biz. a bad name but people does not seem to care at all. Or do they?

11-17-2001, 03:13 PM	#2
OsirisPLR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 106	I don't think the necro sex is real. And if it is, kudos to those brave enough to stick their dick in a corpse! lol My trade site is pretty clean. And I am looking for people to trade with. So if anyone is interested: http://www.explicitsexzone.com ------------------ )O( Osiris Clicking this link could get you an X-Box Got Resources!? Mom Knows Best!

11-17-2001, 03:35 PM	#3
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	It is not that much the point if it is real or not. More the message it send out to people. No one seems to care much about incest and death porn links. Wich will really hurt the adult biz I think.

11-17-2001, 03:55 PM	#4
Jer God is Brazilian Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 10,601	Yeah, I agree with Due. ------------------ Lightspeed Cash - original content makes you $$$

11-17-2001, 04:10 PM	#5
Lightning Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 870	Right on Due. Just using those type links is bad for the industry... But if you notice the type of sites that use those links, the majority of them are the cheaters in the biz already...The Quick buck type of mentality... ------------------ Smiles

11-17-2001, 04:25 PM	#6
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	So death and incest is bad for the porn industry, but 4 billion sites giving everything away for free is good?

11-17-2001, 04:49 PM	#8
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	Besides if we don't start cleaning our own shit the governments will do that. Basicly I don't need to care about that since I don't have to conform under the US gov. rules but still think it is in everybodies best interest

11-17-2001, 05:13 PM	#11
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	ASACP

11-17-2001, 05:15 PM	#13
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Point being, there are already plenty of organizations doing their part to put a stop to that kind of shit. Now all we need is one more, right? You're never going to get rid of it completely, short of hunting them down on a daily basis and killing them.

11-17-2001, 05:22 PM	#15
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Due Why not just bring this up on AWI general board? I bet people will change their links if everyone gets pissed and pulls their links. I know I will not sign up to trade with a site that has fucked up links on it. For two reasons - 1 I don't like shit like that. I don't even like seeing the word "lolita". 2 That kind of traffic sure isn't going to buy from my sponsor. Might as well be img src'ing me

11-17-2001, 05:30 PM	#17
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	Steve> I tried that before on the AWI. No luck... Most people don't seem to care as long as you can send traffic. That is why I wrote it here. There is more fo the bigger sponsors hanging out here. Hopefully they could help making a difference since their normal trades don't seem to care

11-17-2001, 06:07 PM	#18
candidpublishinginc Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bedford, NH 03110 Posts: 707	I have to agree with Due here. As a sponsor I really don't like this incest and death crap all over a site that's advertising us. It makes us and the industry overall look bad. Any webmasters that have to stoop at such a low level to get traffic, shouldn't be in this industry in the first place. ------------------ Candid Clicks Earn up to 4 cents a click for blind link traffic! NO CONVERSIONS, NO BS!

11-17-2001, 06:37 PM	#19
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	I'm going to look into if the "Safe the children" foundation can make anything that is web realeated

11-17-2001, 07:32 PM	#22
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	There is freedom and rights,but i beleive there always pushed too the limit and abused.. I agree with due.. The more red flags you see on the net the more organazations will do something about it.. The porn industry DOES NOT NEED RED FLAGS.. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut..And do the right thing..

11-17-2001, 08:05 PM	#24
RMS Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 30	About a year ago, I had a site contact me for a topsite link trade. I checked out the site and it was a cp front door. Most of the girls on the opening page were not young looking models. They were 10-16 years old. I told the guy, that I would not associate with that type of site and that I was reporting him. He basically told me to get lost. "As the images are artistic in nature and don't show genitals". Which was true, no closeups or anything like that. Just little girls almost naked or naked from a distance. Lots of text links describing in graphic detail what they were doing inside the site (pay) with their dogs, dads, brothers, sisters etc. I reported them to asacp and another organization, that I don't recall. I got form letters back from both places requiring me to provide them a password to allow them access inside the site to ascertain the legality of the cp site. I lost alot of faith in these "monitors" ability to do anything. I know the arguments about artistic license, descriptive text not being illegal and all that rubbish, still... It makes you wonder if anything can really be done by the "average" webmaster or citizen. I suppose I could have reported it to the fbi, but, everyone knows what a good job they do. RMS

11-18-2001, 01:54 PM	#25
Unchilled Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the middle of the Fucking Desert. Posts: 125	I monitor all my links and I'm perfectly capable on my own to control shit I don't want to link to.

11-18-2001, 03:57 PM	#26
mukoh Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 51	Due, I agree with you on some parts. CP is not acceptable or good for the biz. But this is not what is giving adult biz its bad name. Whats giving adult biz a bad name is when a surfer is afraid to pull out a credit card and signup for $30 because he reads stories monthly about sites Crosbilling, doulbe billing, not letting people cancel, billing more then stated, and having charges show up which are from sites where the user hasn't even been. Thats the worst name, is when people are afraid to spend.

11-18-2001, 04:34 PM	#27
qcmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NeverNever Land Posts: 291	Aloha, As far as death, rape, cp, etc... History likes to repeat itself. Most civilizations that hit a point of advanced technology also exhibit moral decline. Those civilizations are typically then wiped out. Roman Empire is the best example, but there are others. So we're seeing the same thing happen now. Hopefully we are advanced enough to prevent destruction. Probably though it'll just happen that much more quickly. If the industry doesn't regulate itself, the government will eventually. Perhaps something along the lines of a BBB for adult sites. Also, anyone who has any clout should push hard for the adoption of the SET protocol - www.setco.org - It will reduce CC fraud. Of course, this is assuming we don't blown ourselves up in the near future. Sorry for the rambling and ranting, it's been a while since I posted...

11-18-2001, 04:53 PM	#28
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	If the webmaster does not seem to be a total moron, convince them that they will make better money in more legitimate ventures. I think it was Lensman who gave me the analogy of this type of traffic being "freakshow" traffic... it's worthless... at least until my new paysite "deadpornstarsex.com" is released ;) Anyway I do the same shit with CJ sites... Fall into line or suffer the consequences. That's why you hear so many CJ site webmasters crying that nobody will link to them -- they cry that they make no money. Fuck them. ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.thefly.net/topfly.html" TARGET=_blank> </A>Oh Baby! TheFLY.net

11-18-2001, 06:58 PM	#30
Unchilled Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the middle of the Fucking Desert. Posts: 125	BTW, the BBB is a joke. Still haven't figured out why it exists.