The Truth

Come on Amp - that argument is ridiculous.

Of course there's competition and that's a good thing. Zilla, Snake, PK, are all in competition but they don't steal directly.

If Burger King opened up and had a sandwich called a Big Wac and it had Sekret Sawce on it their would be a problem, but they open up with their own ideas and their own creations.

That's the difference.

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On-top

Triple's are the best. It's a lot of burger, but it makes you feel like a real American.

Amp, I have to agree.

Amputate Your Head

Truth: Well, I knew it was weak, but I tried...

BP: Carl's rocks! Give 'em a try.

On-top

Oh yeah, Truth, you just said that Donkey cock banners were fine, and just part of the adult environment...but a typo domain is unethical...

Without a little more explanation, it's hard for you to call anyone's arguments weak :-)

boneprone

Opinions of Jack In The Box Anyone? The Oreo Cookie Shake is a nice treat, but never eaten there.

Please hurry Im getting hungry and need to make a choice.

You can place you bets as to what I choose in the next half hour, cause Im gunna just get in the car and drive to where I smell food if I cant decide here.

HQ

Amputate Your Head,

although you are bringing up good points, i think you are missing the big picture!

re: "it's called COMPETITION."

competition is me starting up hqdailynude.com after slick started up slickbikini.com...

competition is not me starting up slickbikinis.com and pointing it to a sponsor after slick started up slickbikini.com...

see the difference?

also, slick wouldn't have bought his typos... true. i wouldn't have either. but he wouldn't have HAD to if they always pointed to "site not found" error.


most importantly is NOT the popups and surfer ethics. most important is where the money comes from:

it's money made from me, slick, zilla, etc... not legit money made from a 'true' competitor.

(believe me, slick and i have never gotten pissed off at a new free site popping up! fuck, slick helps most newbies out like crazy! he's helped me out in more ways than one.)

anyway, those surfers are 'ours'. that's why that ophrawinfrey.com guy got sued for millions. doesn't this just make sense to you?

Amputate Your Head

Just remember, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".

You should be smiling at the fact that someone thought your site / domain was worthy of imitation. It only gives you more credibility as the real-deal. Nobody's registering meaningless names.

Robert

shap was noticed, he knows about it

HQ

haha

you're close. but cybersquatting isn't a form of flattery!

Amputate Your Head

I understand your viewpoint there HQ, but...
I belive that he is a true competitor. Just because he's faceless doesn't mean he's not your competition. Look at blind shipping middlemen. Dude in Iowa wants to buy a load of lumber. Dude in Georgia buys it from dude in Oregon. Dude in Oregon ships it straight to dude in Iowa and neither Oregon or Iowa dude has any idea that dude in Georgia just made a killing on it. "Blind Billing". It's done every day. The guy is faceless, yet is still Oregon dudes competition because Oregon dude just got fucked out of the extra markup that Georgia dude slapped on it for Iowa dude. And the only one's that have any clue are Georgia dude, and me... the driver.

So... I disagree... you don't necessarily always see your competition, let alone be on good business terms with him.

dewpoint

What if a person is getting search engine traffic by using an existing site's name in it's keywords or links. An example would be if you do a search on Altavista for Persian Kitty. The #1 site to come up is http://www.dr-feelgood.com/ and not http://www.persiankitty.com

Any thoughts on this type of practice?

boneprone

Am I fucking being ignored?.. I asked a fucking question.. Now this is my thread so bow to the motha fucking bow wow power.


Is Jack In the Motha fuckin Box any good?

Amputate Your Head

Let me ask you this then...

I got an idea to do a site. I wanted to do a tgp site. I thought for a while while smoking out on the balcony, and got a pretty good idea of how I wanted it to look. So, based on my idea... I went looking for a domain to match the theme. The one I wanted was already taken. "pornmatrix.com"... but "porn-matrix.com" was still available. So I registered it and built my site. Does this make me a cybersquatter? If so, why? And if not...why? What's the difference?

Slick

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Amputate Your Head

Get the "Ultimate" Cheeseburger man... it rules.

boneprone

done, im outta here. Time for some AMERICAN BEEF!

On-top

Right on, Amp.

HQ, these guys are not taking hits from you, they are taking themt from Microsoft These people who typed in these domains would have got a "DNS not found" search box in IE if these people didn't buy the different domain. Sure, they might have tried a different variation, and ended up at your site, but they probably will anyways. It's just not that complicated.

dewpoint, I don't think it's a thing to promote, nor have I ever done that. But given the level of the internet right now, I think it's pretty much a given that it can't be totally prevented. So if you rely that much on SE, then you will find a way to win there. Also, what if you sell Persian Kitties? Where do you draw the line?

It's all grey, man. You can't count on people following the rules, if the rules aren't actually "taboo." Instead, FIGURE out what they are GOING to do, and plan to make money off of them that way. When you realize what I mean, you'll be a happy man.

BP..never ate there, can't really help you :-/

AaronM

God Boneprone. Please tell me yo did not leave yourself open to get slammed again? Time for some AMERICAN BEEF? What in the fuck were you thinking when you posted that?

Let me refer you back to the E.A.D. portion of the following post http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/...ML/011273.html

and I quote:

Originally posted by boneprone:
EAD?
Eat Aarons Dick?


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No, but I like your version better. I think I will use it from now on. I was going to let you stew about it for awhile but since you are so damnn close I will throw you a cookie.

It stands for Eat A Dick.

quote:
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Originally posted by boneprone:
Once again boneprone is always right.
My version is better.


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Fine, stop by tomorrow and you can get started on your offer. It will be an all day job. Do not worry about lunch, you will have plenty to eat once you are here.

Jesus man, I though you were smart than that.


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evildick

Who's looking out for Toho Corp?

(Godzilla / Thumbzilla) Both are giant lizards. Both end in "zilla".

I assume the reason sites like this are allowed to exist is because of the parody law that protects sites like bertisevil.com?

Anyway, how does one determine if they are registering a domain name in bad faith? I was searching for domain names and I discovered a real cool one that involves adding an "s" to the end of another one that is already taken.

Since the url that is already taken is simply redirecting to an affiliate site, would this be considered bad faith on my part if I registered the name with the added "s"?

I can see getting sued by doing it to established web sites like thumbzilla, but what about sites that aren't making any good use of their domain? And what about sites that have simply bought the domains with the hopes of selling them?

Jack Dare

It's all about who spends the time and money creating a brand name. If you ad an "s" and build that to a brand while the site without the "s" is doing nothing, it's your brand. You have to use it to have the right to it.

With regard to fast food joints, yes there are many burger joint, but you don't see any MacDonalds, do you? No, too close to the original brand. The Truth said it well.

Pop-ups have nothing to do with it imho, it's the fact that someone is searching for YOUR site and ends up at another trying to copy your brand. I get many people actually typing in my domains in search engine! lol, Imaging how many use a typo in the URL?? Yes these people are naive, but I still want them to cum to my site

Well, that's a ramble... I like BK because they're giving away Simpsons stuff

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Gemini

Hmmm no one remembers the govt just closing down that guy in Philly (I think it was) with the thousands of typoed sites? Precedence is set. Bust this guy with the same means. Ignore the idiots that want to say there is nothing wrong with this sort of thing. We know where they come from. Now if they'd just go back there. They're the ones that think terra and 'borrowing' things is all ok too usually.

boneprone

ok, if anyone cares I went to Jack in the Box.

And my stomach hurts.
It was good, but I have bad gas and cramps now.. Its been about 6 hours.

Keep you posted.

Jack Dare

Should have gone to BK

boneprone

im sick

HQ

Amputate Your Head,

I understand your viewpoint too! but i still have to go against it!

the middleman scenario is very real and true. but i don't think it's an accurate analogy.

i'll attack it like this: if someone offers to sell me something, and i buy it, then i'm not getting screwed over. i offered to buy it for the price, and that's that. ...whether it's the middleman buying from the original, or the final guy buying from the middleman, they all know what is going on.

cybersquatters don't fit that analogy at all. a cybersquatter would be like an impersonater who jumps in the middle of the deal and steals it away. he only succeeds 1% of the time, but who cares?

HQ

and the bottom line is exactly what Gemini said:

Amputate Your Head

Well, I'll agree to disagree with ya then HQ... I've lost interest in dragging out the point any more. It's been beaten to death.

Zilla

Boneprone - at first you kind of thought cybersquatting was funny. Then you decided you did not think it was funny; you decided it was quite serious and you started this thread. Now you appear to think it is a big joke again. You know that email I sent you? About the games on this board? That is precisely what I am talking about.

To the others: Regarding the "zilla" in Thumbzilla. I have a detailed written agreement with the company that owns all rights to Godzilla.

Look, you can approach business from an ethical standpoint or an unethical one. I attempt to approach it from an ethical standpoint. I consider cybersquatting to be unethical and unprincipled. And I definitely do NOT consider cybersquatting to be a joke. That is just my opinion.

The FTC is getting more and more serious about cybersquatting, too. They are really starting to crack down on it because of all the surfers complaining to them about it. It is really starting to mushroom. People are getting fed up with it. And, yes, eventually that could cause the downfall of the adult internet.

Zilla

Incidentally - thumbzillas.com has now been transferred to me :-)

GiggleBerries

Congrats. Chalk one up for the good guys.




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Juge

I must disagree on this small point - if the domain didn't exist, the surfer would notice the error (the fact that no page pops up), and then corrected it. So they are stealing - no matter how small it is.

Juge

Ha ha ha, yes, very true... or is it? perhaps you missed a point... how many inventions from great minds who knew nothing of marketing or of getting patents were stolen and then it made millions for the person who stole it and patented it? Quite a lot. It happens. Flattery my ass. They are in it for the bucks. Once I'm rolling in the millions off of your idea, and I told you that your idea is worth tons of money, how big of smile from my flattery would you have?

(I do realize we're not talking millions in this particular case, but I was simply making a point.)

Amputate Your Head

Okay.... seems the people on both sides of the argument are never going to see eye to eye... so how about a solution:

Pass legislation that makes typo squatting illegal, and at the same time mandate that all hosts must redirect 404 errors to the highest bidder. Better?

ShuCash

Interesting thread guys - I dunno if anyone is still reading this but I wanted to post.

First, I respect everyone here, you guys are amazing at working the current adult internet and making some cash out of it. Everyone here plays this game so well.

However, I can't believe how much everyone is jumping against this "cybersquatting" fiasco. I can't believe that intelligent people here are saying that its all about "principles" and that cybersquatting is going to be the "downfall of the adult internet". What the FUCK are you talking about?!

Before, everyone was bitching about how big, super-clean, "quality" TGP's are going to be the downfall of the adult business! Maybe these guys who cybersquat your misspellings and whack those surfers with 10000 popups are actually creating much more "willing to purchase" surfers - once those surfers correct their misspelling and hit your "real" tgp.

As for principles?! Is this a fucking joke? HOW THE HELL DO WE SELL PORN? We sure as fuck do not use principles. Do we offer 30day money back guarantees? Do we let EVERY SURFER know that he will have his credit card charged NEXT MONTH? Or do we make it as difficult as humanly possible to cancel a fucking membership. Wake up!
We "give away" trial memberships then whack people with 30-50 fees after a few days.
We sell "free AVS" passwords.
Hell, we sell REAL AVS passwords, which are nothing more than a waste of money.
We blind link.
We sell paysites that have gorgeous tours with bullshit leased content.
We sell paysites that have freesite entrances.
We use DIALERS - DIALERS guys, that fucking trick people into paying for our porn.
Then, after we have taken everyone for a ride, we sell them this great software that erases their tracks.

And I'm not saying that the any of the above methods of selling is "wrong". They aren't "wrong" to any of us, who make cash that way. None of us complain about ANY of those methods. We talk and exchange ideas on how to be slicker, how to be sharper, how to be better at working them - for even more money.
Yet we bitch and moan when someone makes up their own method of working this game, if it in the slightest way takes away from our cash.

Listen to me. If you started a major website, with major effort, and didn't buy all the misspellings of your name, then you got played. Someone who was sharper and hungrier than you made a move and played you.
Just like the surfer who used the dialer got played... who bought the AVS pass... and who signed up for the free trial.


C'mon fellas -
Vinny

Amputate Your Head

A-Fuckin'-Men brother!

HQ

cool!

HQ

kick ass.

HQ

ShuCash,

i think you're missing the point. blind links are deceiving, yes, but YOU are the one who is 'screwing' YOUR surfers who YOU brought to YOUR site. it's all YOU. the other side is stealing traffic that another webmaster 'built', and thus taking away from his/her work.

it's completely different.

according to your argument, there are NO principles, so therefore i should be able to hack entire domains and point them to my server? that's an extreme case... the point is that this is not a black and white issue.

edit: forgot the "NO" in there!

[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 10-26-2001).]

HQ

fuck, i don't even know what my fucking point is!!!

i guess my point is that you can't use the 'no principles in porn' rule to dictate that anyone can just do whatever they want. there has to be lines drawn somewhere, and it appears the law is starting to show this.

i don't want them to go overboard, becuase there are A LOT of similar domain names that i have (and have put to proper use), and i don't want the original guys coming after me. this is a very touchy issue.

can the person who registered www.nudes.com go after www.nudez.com for instance? even if they both have completely legit sites?

Amputate Your Head

You're losin' steam bro.... now you're saying it's perfectly fine to throw the high and mighty principles right out the fuckin' window and fuck over your surfers, provided that it is YOU doing the fucking.... but if someone bends YOU over and makes a buck on them, then it's back to principles and ethics time.... hehe... listen to yourself man... it's not workin' ...

HQ

i'm not saying it's ok amp!!

i'm just saying that's what you do to your surfers! i can't help or stop that!

i didn't explain myself well if i came off saying that it's ok to fuck the surfer! i'm totally against screwing the surfer!

ShuCash

HQ -

I understand what you mean about screwing over YOUR own surfers. Thing is, I don't know if the traffic from a misspelled domain BELONGS to the owner of the correctly spelled domain, ESPECIALLY in the adult arena. This is my personal opinion, I am not sure of the exact laws regarding this, which is an entirely different matter.
My point was that I am surprised to see such so many people, who regularly make money off of deception, so eager to attack another group that is making money off of deception. It seems hypocritical.

Oh, and hijacking a domain and registering a misspelling is absolutely not the same thing. In that case, it IS black and white.

Vin

boneprone

Zilla-

Trust me Ive handled the matter my own boneproneish way. Dont think I just laughed it all off.

I happen to be friends with all his sponsors and have talked to him personally.

It is settled. My main concern now is what should I eat. Jack in The Box really fucked me up yesterday.

Im thinking Dim Sum today.

Amputate Your Head

So you have NEVER used a blink link, 404 redirection, or console? Because as a surfer, I consider those things to be fucking me.

boneprone

Dim sum? Yes no? What the fuck do you guys think?

HQ

ShuCash,

you're right, hijacking domains is black and white. i was just saying that a line has to be drawn somewhere and i used an extreme case to show it.

i respect your opionion too. i see both sides of this issue. however, i believe if i made an impression on a surfer to type in www.hqdailynudes.com to come to my site, then he/she should come to my site. i believe i 'own' that surfer.

also, i don't think i make money off deception. check my site out: www.hqdailynude.com/index2.html

Amputate Your Head,
i don't like screwing the surfer, and i've never used blind links actually! i've barely promote dialers on my sites (which i've always properly described as 'sex software'). plus the dialer tells u that it's making a long-dist call. that's a bit of screwing, i do admit. and i have used consoles, but nothing overwhelming. i only use consoles cuz i can't find enough clean sites to trade with. i just can't do anything else about it. i'd trade 100% clean if i could, trust me.

basically, i've done my best to not screw the surfer.

that's why i have www.hqdailynude.com/index2.html . it's a popup-less version of my site that i use for link trading as much as i can with other clean sites.

also, all my links are 'real'... no cgi-crap. this even improves other sites link popularity in SEs, something that not a lot of sites do back for me.


[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 10-26-2001).]

boneprone

The domains have been trasfered over now.

Squishy

I gotta give the Dim Sum a no vote. As your attorney, I would advise you to enjoy a #3 combo from Taco Bell, with hard shells and a Mountain Dew.

HQ

which domains?! mine haven't!

boneprone

why no dim sum?
How can ya not like a goof Hom Bow.

What the fuck is wrong with you?