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project_naughty 01-31-2005 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rambler
So just because the Iraqies had an election , you guys figure killing 100,000+ innocent people (along with spending billions of $$$) is justified ?

Didn't the US try to install a US friendly gov. in Iran in the 60's (the Shah)?

Do you really think that even if democracy holds in Iraq (which, BTW could take decades) that the Royal-dictators of the world will all of a sudden relenquish their powers?

Another consequence of this is that now you have a majority (shiite) in power over a minority (sunni)... as time goes along the majority is gonna bear a grudge against the minority (see Rawanda 1994) and commit mass genocide.

Anyways I hope it(democracy) sticks so all this crap won't be in vain.

And GWB is still an idiot.

You're an idiot, I'll give you that.

Dead civilians = about 8000-12000, mostly killed by the "insurgents" (Islamists and Socialists funded in the most part by Iran and Syria).

What happened in 60s Iran is different to now, you simpleton.

A direct effect of the Iraq War was that Colonel Gadaffi of Libya shat his pants and decided to "play ball".

And how you come to the conclusion that there is going to be Shiite on Sunni genocide is beyond me.

You actually WANT democracy to fail in Iraq, because you are a village idiot.

project_naughty 01-31-2005 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Icon
I agree. It's only too bad that Iraq will be pillaged for resources and left to fend for themselves. If all proceeds were to be re-invested into Iraq, this would be a VERY different affair. Unfortunately, this nation is being sold off in chunks. Ultimate model (Manifestation?) of privitization. where does that leave the citizens? Naomi Klien wrote a very insightful article in Iraq about the reality - Factories cannot get materials, workers are laid off, 'insurgents' (people who want dignity and food) rise. you can't leave citizens out of the process. by allowing outside people (Haliburton and other multinationals) to set up shop and exclude the very people they 'set free'.

But I agree. Bush did what he said he would. I wish he hadn't lied about the reasons.

Christ. More ill-informed drivel.

The country is not going to be "pillaged" as you say. Nor are the Iraqis going to be left to fend for themselves. Iraq has never had a major manufacturing base. "Insurgents" are not looking for dignity and food - they want to install an Islamic Caliphate in which women are oppressed and Jews and Christians are made into virtual slaves.

The main reason for the invasion was regime change. This was not given as the main reason, because the Governments calculated (rightly, as it happens), that a large part of their populations would be too dumb to understand.

Mojiteaux 01-31-2005 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RRACY
If democracy holds up in Iraq it will set a good example for other arab countries.

If democracy holds truly up in Iraq it will turn into an islamic state like Iran.
To avoid this and therefore true democracy the results will be scammed.
:2 cents:

Damian_Maxcash 01-31-2005 06:36 AM

A couple of well thought out posts here........

I wasnt going to let it drop of the first page yet

Bump

naitirps 01-31-2005 06:40 AM

there really is no dif...

if saddam was still in power and they asked them that question, they'd all say "dictatorship, saddam owns!" so their ass wouldn't be killed

now that hes out, and its full of fucking US troops up the fucking ass asking that question, "yes, democracy!" or they'll get owned

regardless, same shit really lol

media 01-31-2005 06:43 AM

I support our troops that are over there doing good and right every day, I do not support the idiot that sent and keeps them over there to do his bidding...

I look forward to the day that the very last soldier gets on a plane to head back home..

DomBuyer 01-31-2005 06:44 AM

It's absolutely too early to say anything about all this. Voting does not a democracy make. And saying "it's a first step" is just blah blah blah.

It comes down to let's wait and see..

sonofsam 01-31-2005 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPheer
damn, they just showed this on cnn, fuckin unbelievable... nukes found in iraq

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/30/iraq.nukes/index.html


if it makes you feel any better, i fell for it

BRISK 01-31-2005 06:50 AM

It's still too unstable to feel good about. If America & friends can pull troups out and shit doesn't go to hell, then I'll feel better.

FunForOne 01-31-2005 06:52 AM

I have a serious question.

A lot of people, I presume foreigners and democrats in this country refer the US as being greedy. One post suggested that the US is setting up a puppet government in Iraq to steal the oil.

If that is your argument, what is your opinion on all the money that the US gives out all over the world.

Isn't the US the most benevolent country in the world?

How can that be associated with greed?

BRISK 01-31-2005 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
Isn't the US the most benevolent country in the world?

On a per-capita basis, I doubt it.

Damian_Maxcash 01-31-2005 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK
On a per-capita basis, I doubt it.

On a per state basis I doubt it......!!

Stop reading your own press, Im not anti US or EVEN anti Bush.... but sometimes you have to read between the lines

directfiesta 01-31-2005 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
You're an idiot, I'll give you that.

Dead civilians = about 8000-12000, mostly killed by the "insurgents" (Islamists and Socialists funded in the most part by Iran and Syria).

..
You actually WANT democracy to fail in Iraq, because you are a village idiot.

Alert !!!! Parrot at work !!!!

So please post a link or article backing up your claim ( propaganda ) that " civilians mostly killed by insurgents" ....
If you can't, then you are the idiot of the world.... and stop the weak name calling


Quote:

29/01/2005 - 14:10:51

More Iraqi civilians may have been killed by coalition forces and their allies than by insurgents, according to Iraqi government figures.

The figures, which have been compiled by Iraq?s Ministry of Health, will be disclosed on the BBC?s Panorama programme tomorrow.

They show coalition troops and Iraqi security forces were responsible for 60% of Iraqi civilian deaths in conflict-related violence in a six month period.

A total of 2,041 civilians were killed and a further 8,542 are believed to have been wounded by them between July 2004 and January 2005.

This compares with 1,233 killed and 4,115 wounded by insurgents.

The data comes from conflict-related civilian deaths and injuries recorded by Iraqi public hospitals.
It does not include the deaths of insurgents where they are known.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...76&p=y3xx87z7z
:321GFY

DomBuyer 01-31-2005 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by project_naughty

Dead civilians = about 8000-12000, mostly killed by the "insurgents" (Islamists and Socialists funded in the most part by Iran and Syria).

Utter nonsense.

A famous study by Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore found that more than 100,000 civilians have been killed and "They attributed many of those deaths to attacks by coalition forces mostly airstrikes and most of those killed were women and children. The risk of violent death was 58 times higher than before the war, the researchers reported.
.
"The fact that more than half of the deaths caused by the occupation forces were women and children is a cause for concern," the authors wrote.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/28/news/toll.html

Luc 01-31-2005 07:16 AM

The election was a total waste of fucking time.

Even CNN admitted that most of the voters didn't know who they were
voting for because they had to protect the names of the officials so they
don't get assasinated.

Ok, so you go in the voting booth and vote for.. whoever the fuck... What's
the point of that?

Than again, who cares right? All the elected officials will be Bush's puppets
and it doesn't matter who the people voted for, as long as they feel like
they've made a difference (which they haven't).

Peace

directfiesta 01-31-2005 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
You're an idiot, I'll give you that.



A direct effect of the Iraq War was that Colonel Gadaffi of Libya shat his pants and decided to "play ball".


You actually WANT democracy to fail in Iraq, because you are a village idiot.

One word in Lybia's case : OIL !!!!!! ( with the US, it is always OIL ! )




Quote:

US oil companies have been awarded most of the contracts on offer at the first open licence auction in Libya.

European oil and gas companies were not awarded any of the licences to explore 127,000 sq km (51,000 sq miles).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4219623.stm

Next time you start blabbing your mouth, check your facts: you will look less of an idiot, as you are so fast to call people. :2 cents:

project_naughty 01-31-2005 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
Alert !!!! Parrot at work !!!!

So please post a link or article backing up your claim ( propaganda ) that " civilians mostly killed by insurgents" ....
If you can't, then you are the idiot of the world.... and stop the weak name calling


:321GFY

Ok fucko.


This site is run by moonbats like yourself and therefore shows a pessimistic view of the numbers http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

project_naughty 01-31-2005 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer
Utter nonsense.

A famous study by Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore found that more than 100,000 civilians have been killed and "They attributed many of those deaths to attacks by coalition forces mostly airstrikes and most of those killed were women and children. The risk of violent death was 58 times higher than before the war, the researchers reported.
.
"The fact that more than half of the deaths caused by the occupation forces were women and children is a cause for concern," the authors wrote.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/28/news/toll.html

Your intelligence pails into significance when compared with that of your rival, Taboo.

That report was simply intended as a nail into George Bush's re-election coffin. It didn't work, because only a minority of idiots believed it. You included.

Like I said above, the moonbats' over-inflated estimations are currently 15563 so that figure of 100,000 would simply be wishful thinking from someone who does not want the Iraqis to enjoy democracy.

FunForOne 01-31-2005 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
Your intelligence pails into significance when compared with that of your rival, Taboo.

That report was simply intended as a nail into George Bush's re-election coffin. It didn't work, because only a minority of idiots believed it. You included.

Like I said above, the moonbats' over-inflated estimations are currently 15563 so that figure of 100,000 would simply be wishful thinking from someone who does not want the Iraqis to enjoy democracy.


Your right, its wishful thinking from a political party that will publically pray for peace in a region and privately giggle when a US soldier is reported dead. Their hopes are to install masive social programs that keep a barrier between the classes, making them a "social elite" class.

Journalists are traditionally liberals because they believe themselves to be highly educated people who attain socially elite status through their education. At least the ones who understand why they are liberal. Most have been brainwashed by older journalistic liberals in college.

When You have money, the next thing you want is power and respect.

directfiesta 01-31-2005 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
Ok fucko.


This site is run by moonbats like yourself and therefore shows a pessimistic view of the numbers http://www.iraqbodycount.net/


weak ...

Nothing to repeat, parrot ????

Turn on FoxNews, maybe they will implant a few sentences for you ...

ADL Colin 01-31-2005 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
One word in Lybia's case : OIL !!!!!! ( with the US, it is always OIL ! )

Huh? Haiti, Grenada, Lebanon, Vietnam, Korea, Bosnia, Somalia, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador.

What does the word "always" mean to you?

Odin88 01-31-2005 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK
On a per-capita basis, I doubt it.

You'd be correct, Canada is.

Boobies 01-31-2005 06:31 PM

NO,no,no
Saddam still alive... :mad:


http://www.highendcreatives.com

theking 01-31-2005 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Almighty Colin
Huh? Haiti, Grenada, Lebanon, Vietnam, Korea, Bosnia, Somalia, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador.

What does the word "always" mean to you?

Actually you left out a few...Columbia is one but there are others.

wargames 02-01-2005 02:13 AM

Iraq is a God-forsaken country. :(

BRISK 02-01-2005 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Odin88
You'd be correct, Canada is.

Canada ranks high, but I don't think it would be the most benevolent country in the world either.

If I had to guess, I'd probably say a European country might take that title

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don_cap

Although, I don't think it should be considered a contest. Any benevolent act is good and should be appreciated.

ADL Colin 02-01-2005 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by theking
Actually you left out a few...Columbia is one but there are others.

The first ten that came to mind.

baddog 02-01-2005 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenisFace
Hahaha, no. :1orglaugh

why not?


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