Adware install Fued ... Better Internet and Sextracker - GoFuckYourself.com

KRosh · 01-29-2005, 01:12 PM

Interesting story. I wonder who will win.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busin...9_adware09.html

Two adware firms battling in court

By JOHN COOK
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

As millions of computer users try to deal with the scourge of adware and other nefarious online marketing programs, two purveyors of the technology are battling in a Seattle court.

Avenue Media, a Caribbean Islands entity with ties to a Seattle Internet pornography company, alleges in a lawsuit that New York-based DirectRevenue "surreptitiously uninstalled" Avenue Media's software from millions of computers and then hijacked advertising revenues of more than $7,000 per day.

Reached yesterday, DirectRevenue Chief Executive Joshua Abram declined to comment on the suit. Officials at Avenue Media, which is seeking an injunction to stop the uninstall process and more than $100,000 in damages, could not be reached.

Filed last month in U.S. District Court in Seattle, the lawsuit provides a rare look into a complex -- yet highly lucrative -- business that has drawn scrutiny from federal agencies, legislators and consumer groups in recent months.

It is known in industry parlance as contextual advertising. Most consumers who have encountered this category of software -- which redirects Internet searches, generates streams of pop-up advertisements or interferes with a computer's normal operations -- have come to know the programs as adware, spyware or malware.

The lawsuit is significant because it is thought to be the first time that an adware company has sued a rival for intentionally disabling a competing program, said Benjamin Edelman, a Harvard law student and computer expert.

"There have been a few occasions in which programs would remove Adaware," Edelman said, referring to an anti-spyware program. "But there is never an instance that I am aware of of one spyware removing another spyware."

In many cases, computer users have no idea the programs are running on their machines, Edelman said. Complicating matters, he said, they also may not have accepted or seen a license agreement from either of the companies.

"When both of the programs have gotten onto the user's computer through security holes, which is what I have observed, then the user probably didn't want either one of them," Edelman said. "It is really a complicated situation."

Edelman, who tests adware and spyware programs, said he observed the behavior alleged in the lawsuit during a period in mid-November.

"I didn't know what to make of it; it seemed crazy to me," he said. "What I had seen was a program deleting its competitor."

Based on the Caribbean island of Curacao, Avenue Media has ties to Shawn Boday, who in court documents is listed as a "sales consultant." Boday, who could not be reached for comment, is the founder of Seattle-based Flying Crocodile Inc. Flying Crocodile operates SexTracker.com, a compilation of pornographic Web sites and marketing tools for adult Web masters.

In sworn court documents filed last month, Boday said that Avenue Media suffered a loss of nearly a million Web "hits" during a two-day period in mid-November. He said an investigation determined that DirectRevenue was responsible for sending "computerized commands" that deleted the company's software from users' hard drives.

"Without any cause or right, we have been severed from our business relationship with millions of customers without their knowledge and consent," Boday said.

Avenue Media, which has been in business for about two years, said it was generating up to $25,000 per day before it was cut off by DirectRevenue. Since February 2003, it also has received $800,000 in commissions for distributing DirectRevenue's ad-generating software to computer users.

In its response to the lawsuit, DirectRevenue, whose software is also known as BetterInternet, said that its licensing agreement allows it to remove other adware programs.

"Making (BetterInternet) the exclusive adware on an end-user's computer is favorable to the end-user ... ," the response says. "If more than one adware client is operating on an end-user's computer, the end-user may receive duplicative ads and a high volume of advertising."

It goes on to say that Avenue Media, as a distributor of the BetterInternet software, should know the particulars of the licensing agreement it is offering to computer users. That agreement includes language about DirectRevenue being permitted to remove other adware programs.

Fizzgig · 01-29-2005, 01:15 PM

I hope they're both ordered to pay all their profits to anyone who's been hijacked by their software.

pornstar2pac · 01-29-2005, 01:18 PM

so many people have spyware on thier computer. sucks

xxxcooper · 01-29-2005, 01:21 PM

please tell me that sextracker's counter isnt installing spyware

RawAlex · 01-29-2005, 01:23 PM

I wish we could confirm that, but well, who knows, right?

Why do you need a counter, anyway, except to make people think your important?

Alex

Lensman · 01-29-2005, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxcooper

please tell me that sextracker's counter isnt installing spyware

Hate to dissappoint y ou.

GonZo · 01-29-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

Hate to dissappoint y ou.

Lens is right and the story has only just begun.

Lensman · 01-29-2005, 02:02 PM

I would like to hear what Marc De's comment on this...

opflix · 01-29-2005, 02:30 PM

this is some major shit while no1 is replying... :food-smil

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Shap · 01-29-2005, 02:52 PM

I had all our external counters pulled 4 years ago. When we bought Thumbzilla we left up the sextracker counter. It's gonzo now.

I suggest all free sites should invest $500 and buy the x3 counter program. It is awesome. Let's you run a private counter across all your sites, galleries etc. There is really no need for anyone to ever know how many hits you get.

Shap · 01-29-2005, 02:54 PM

I hate to sound like a noob, but lens why did you include Marc De in this? Does he own Better Internet?

xclusive · 01-29-2005, 02:55 PM

sextracker is screwed

KRosh · 01-29-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusive

sextracker is screwed

no... they are the ones suing ... how are they screwed ??

beemk · 01-31-2005, 09:49 AM

interesting

KRosh · 01-31-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

interesting

this has sparked many other interests

DEA - banned for life · 01-31-2005, 10:09 AM

i need to get into the spyware buissness...ROFL...just like spam it pisses everyone off but the guy whos making the big bucks sending it out

justsexxx · 01-31-2005, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lensman

I would like to hear what Marc De's comment on this...

Can you(or someone else) tell me why. I mean what does Marc have todo with it?(i don't know all those company names)

Andre

BlueQuartz · 01-31-2005, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

I had all our external counters pulled 4 years ago. When we bought Thumbzilla we left up the sextracker counter. It's gonzo now.

I suggest all free sites should invest $500 and buy the x3 counter program. It is awesome. Let's you run a private counter across all your sites, galleries etc. There is really no need for anyone to ever know how many hits you get.

we shouldnt use counters but we should use x3?

they have a spyware plan in the werks?

strobi · 01-31-2005, 02:04 PM

god damn that's some BIG time news

Shap · 01-31-2005, 02:05 PM

Blue if you read my post the X3 counter is a program you buy. You buy it and install it on your servers. You control it 100%. X3 has nothing to do with it besides being the ones that programmed it.

dropped9 · 01-31-2005, 02:08 PM

The plot thickens...

candyflip · 01-31-2005, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

I had all our external counters pulled 4 years ago. When we bought Thumbzilla we left up the sextracker counter. It's gonzo now.

I suggest all free sites should invest $500 and buy the x3 counter program. It is awesome. Let's you run a private counter across all your sites, galleries etc. There is really no need for anyone to ever know how many hits you get.

loggerx.com has something similar. You can run a private counter or public counter service with their code.

On sale now for only $99.

http://www.loggerx.com/

BlueQuartz · 01-31-2005, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Blue if you read my post the X3 counter is a program you buy. You buy it and install it on your servers. You control it 100%. X3 has nothing to do with it besides being the ones that programmed it.

Shap - my apologies mate - my mistake

any plans to offer epassporte payouts for webmasters at twistys?

01-29-2005, 01:12 PM	#1
KRosh So Fucking Outlawed Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,114	Adware install Feud ... Better Internet and Sextracker Interesting story. I wonder who will win. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busin...9_adware09.html Two adware firms battling in court By JOHN COOK SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER As millions of computer users try to deal with the scourge of adware and other nefarious online marketing programs, two purveyors of the technology are battling in a Seattle court. Avenue Media, a Caribbean Islands entity with ties to a Seattle Internet pornography company, alleges in a lawsuit that New York-based DirectRevenue "surreptitiously uninstalled" Avenue Media's software from millions of computers and then hijacked advertising revenues of more than $7,000 per day. Reached yesterday, DirectRevenue Chief Executive Joshua Abram declined to comment on the suit. Officials at Avenue Media, which is seeking an injunction to stop the uninstall process and more than $100,000 in damages, could not be reached. Filed last month in U.S. District Court in Seattle, the lawsuit provides a rare look into a complex -- yet highly lucrative -- business that has drawn scrutiny from federal agencies, legislators and consumer groups in recent months. It is known in industry parlance as contextual advertising. Most consumers who have encountered this category of software -- which redirects Internet searches, generates streams of pop-up advertisements or interferes with a computer's normal operations -- have come to know the programs as adware, spyware or malware. The lawsuit is significant because it is thought to be the first time that an adware company has sued a rival for intentionally disabling a competing program, said Benjamin Edelman, a Harvard law student and computer expert. "There have been a few occasions in which programs would remove Adaware," Edelman said, referring to an anti-spyware program. "But there is never an instance that I am aware of of one spyware removing another spyware." In many cases, computer users have no idea the programs are running on their machines, Edelman said. Complicating matters, he said, they also may not have accepted or seen a license agreement from either of the companies. "When both of the programs have gotten onto the user's computer through security holes, which is what I have observed, then the user probably didn't want either one of them," Edelman said. "It is really a complicated situation." Edelman, who tests adware and spyware programs, said he observed the behavior alleged in the lawsuit during a period in mid-November. "I didn't know what to make of it; it seemed crazy to me," he said. "What I had seen was a program deleting its competitor." Based on the Caribbean island of Curacao, Avenue Media has ties to Shawn Boday, who in court documents is listed as a "sales consultant." Boday, who could not be reached for comment, is the founder of Seattle-based Flying Crocodile Inc. Flying Crocodile operates SexTracker.com, a compilation of pornographic Web sites and marketing tools for adult Web masters. In sworn court documents filed last month, Boday said that Avenue Media suffered a loss of nearly a million Web "hits" during a two-day period in mid-November. He said an investigation determined that DirectRevenue was responsible for sending "computerized commands" that deleted the company's software from users' hard drives. "Without any cause or right, we have been severed from our business relationship with millions of customers without their knowledge and consent," Boday said. Avenue Media, which has been in business for about two years, said it was generating up to $25,000 per day before it was cut off by DirectRevenue. Since February 2003, it also has received $800,000 in commissions for distributing DirectRevenue's ad-generating software to computer users. In its response to the lawsuit, DirectRevenue, whose software is also known as BetterInternet, said that its licensing agreement allows it to remove other adware programs. "Making (BetterInternet) the exclusive adware on an end-user's computer is favorable to the end-user ... ," the response says. "If more than one adware client is operating on an end-user's computer, the end-user may receive duplicative ads and a high volume of advertising." It goes on to say that Avenue Media, as a distributor of the BetterInternet software, should know the particulars of the licensing agreement it is offering to computer users. That agreement includes language about DirectRevenue being permitted to remove other adware programs. Last edited by KRosh; 01-29-2005 at 01:15 PM..

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01-29-2005, 01:21 PM	#4
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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I wish we could confirm that, but well, who knows, right? Why do you need a counter, anyway, except to make people think your important? Alex

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Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I had all our external counters pulled 4 years ago. When we bought Thumbzilla we left up the sextracker counter. It's gonzo now. I suggest all free sites should invest $500 and buy the x3 counter program. It is awesome. Let's you run a private counter across all your sites, galleries etc. There is really no need for anyone to ever know how many hits you get.

01-29-2005, 02:54 PM	#11
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I hate to sound like a noob, but lens why did you include Marc De in this? Does he own Better Internet?

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DEA - banned for life V.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: InYour Head Posts: 7,886	i need to get into the spyware buissness...ROFL...just like spam it pisses everyone off but the guy whos making the big bucks sending it out

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strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	god damn that's some BIG time news

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Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Blue if you read my post the X3 counter is a program you buy. You buy it and install it on your servers. You control it 100%. X3 has nothing to do with it besides being the ones that programmed it.

01-31-2005, 02:08 PM	#21
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	The plot thickens...