Webmaster SCREWED me royally..do I have recourse??

[sarayamodel]

Hi you guys! I LOVE this forum, the site name ROCKS!! LOL..
Anyway.. I have a problem and thought that this woud be a good place to get some help...

I had made an agreement with a photographer who also agreed to build me a website if I shot with him (Im a model, btw)I went to his studio, we did the shoot ... Then he started my website the next day, but he dragged his feet on a dailly basis for the next 3-4 months, and the progress was SLOW as hell he made excuses every day as to why he didnt have time to do more etc...etc...
I felt helpless because I cant afford to HIRE a webmaster, and I didnt know shit about html or webdesign.
When I asked him about the merchant account, he said its in his name but I can trust him, I told him I would feel more comfortable if it was in MY name, he blew up and quit on the spot....
Anyway without boring you further...
Is there anything I can do to this guy legally for having screwed me?
I lost a lot of income potential in all that wasted time the site was down... and not functioning....

The GOOD news is that in the PINCH (and because Im a single mom struggling hard to survive) I LEARNED like OVER NIGHT how to design my own site... and its finally up!!!
its got some really HOT pics in the members part...
feel free to check it out.. I would love to hear any comments you have.. (but please be gentle, because i am a REAL person with real feelings hehehehe
Love, Saraya xoxoxoxox
www.sarayahope.com

[playa]

i'd take him to
www.judgejudy.com
and settle it in court,,

[Pipecrew]

hrmmmmm

[g33k]

I think i speak for everyone here when i say

SHOW US YOUR TITS

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by playa
i'd take him to
www.judgejudy.com
and settle it in court,,

na this is more like SexCourt on the Playboy Channel

[beemk]

did you have it in writing that he has to do your site? or is this just a creative spam?

[kosmic]

Originally posted by playa
i'd take him to
www.judgejudy.com
and settle it in court,,

LOL. Judge Judy will straighten his ass out!

[TDF]

I'll get a rope...

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by beemk
or is this just a creative spam?

[HomeGrown]

The girl is hot, but the site sucks my balls.

[tree]

tits always help

[Theo]

if you want a help in the design i'll be glad to give you few tips,hit me on icq 142032164

also post the details of the smart ass

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
if you want a help in the design i'll be glad to give you few tips,hit me on icq 142032164

also post the details of the smart ass

No Please don't post my details

DynaMite

[Theo]

hey dynaspain,did you kick metaform's ass or i'll have to do it? :-)

[Chauncy]

Originally posted by beemk
did you have it in writing that he has to do your site? or is this just a creative spam?

I vote creative spam

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
hey dynaspain,did you kick metaform's ass or i'll have to do it? :-)

Look for the thread on adultwebmasterinfo actually I did meet
him and I must admit he's not such a bad guy afterall...We sorted
our stuff, shook hands and had a nice chat.....I'm such a pussy

DynaMite

[ServerGenius]

Here is that thread

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/sh...5&pagenumber=3

DynaMite

[NickieBabe]

From a girls point of view, I must say that this girl smell not good..
I have problems beliving she is for reall
First of she tells us that she cant anything about web design, and need legal help about this guy, In the next 4 lines she tells us that she did learn web design and HTML over night!!
And finally she MUST POINT OUT that she have alot sexy pics in her member area!!

Not only does her(his) site suck, but she(he) also try the old "im a girl " style


Cheers
BimboGirls

[ServerGenius]

Cheers
BimboGirls


__________________
Hey.. What are you looking at..
Yes we are girls! But not only girls..
We are 2 damn hot girls !!

I see why you noticed this.....you are using the same trick?
Post tits to prove I'm wrong...

DynaMite

[Theo]

Originally posted by DynaSpain
Here is that thread

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/sh...5&pagenumber=3

DynaMite

hhehe i know,i was posting there too,i'm theo from the boneprone family

[beemk]

Originally posted by NickieBabe
In the next 4 lines she tells us that she did learn web design and HTML over night!!

take a look at her site, she obviously didnt learn it very good

[jimmyf]

sarayamodel, your site looks like crap. I'm not in the design business.. but I could do a lot better that .. talk with one of the design people and maybe you can do a trade with them..... some content for even a half ass design.... Hell it wouldn't even have to be a design person to do better than that....

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel


hhehe i know,i was posting there too,i'm theo from the boneprone family

HAHAHA That's too funny man....Cool! I didn't meet you man...
I would have expected that his protection would be walking
next to him.....LOL


DynaMite

[tree]

if you show us your tits ill take 10 minutes out of my day and make you a better looking site...deal??

[NickieBabe]

Hahahah... I did feel this was coming...

BUT ...hey sucker... you are way off here..

Instead of me posting tits for you..why not you give me your phone nr, and I will call ya!!!!
Then we will see who`s face get red and fell stupid

And I can only recomend you to talk to this guys, they have known me for up to 2 years now

Hungryman (Best friend there is, he know me!!!) check this site www.hotwebmistresses.com
Tyrex & Gw at tgpsoftware.com (have known them and talked to them by phone)
Diablo at rackam-ejac.com (Have talked to him by phone)
Eric at adult.com he has sent me an GFY shirt

So big Hotshot..
Who is looking stupid now???


Kisses
Bimbogirls

[ez12]

sorry but legally you have no chance, just find a cheap designer or read some html books and get dreamweaver making a nice site is really easy and right now it's pretty fucked up.

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by NickieBabe
Hahahah... I did feel this was coming...

BUT ...hey sucker... you are way off here..

Instead of me posting tits for you..why not you give me your phone nr, and I will call ya!!!!
Then we will see who`s face get red and fell stupid

And I can only recomend you to talk to this guys, they have known me for up to 2 years now

Hungryman (Best friend there is, he know me!!!) check this site www.hotwebmistresses.com
Tyrex & Gw at tgpsoftware.com (have known them and talked to them by phone)
Diablo at rackam-ejac.com (Have talked to him by phone)
Eric at adult.com he has sent me an GFY shirt

So big Hotshot..
Who is looking stupid now???


Kisses
Bimbogirls

Eh....do you understand the word irony? Did you perhaps overlooked the Question Mark? Do scandinavians have no sense
for humour? I know all the people you mention.....allthough I think
they are credible people I rather see your tits as proof instead
of them telling me how feminin you are.

The phone deal sounds cool....does that include phonesex...
can I knock one out while talking to you....don't worry about me
looking stupid....After 30 years I'm used to that...

DynaMite

[jimmy3way]

No, sorry you have no legal recourse.

Unless of course you have a signed contract with a detailed timeline.

And your site does suck quite badly, there are any number of people on this board who would help you make it look better.

Try looking in profiles for people's ICQ numbers.

[NickieBabe]

Yo bro...........
Off course we have some sence of humour..
BUT I just wanted to say it one time only, because there are to much stupid guys out there..and they think that every girl name on this board are a man! So... now its done...
Oh.. if phone sex is the only way you get close to some reall sex, then Im happy to help
We Bimbogirls are happy to help any no-friends, small town boys to get their first jerk-off!!
You just call 1-800 bimbogirls


Kisses
Bimbogirls

[UnseenWorld]

I, too, question how "for real" you are, because your question is also a bit of a spam. At least when I spam, I make no bones about it. Anyway, I don't think anyone asked for the details of your release and any agreement you might have had, if any with the photographer, and if any third party overheard anything which supports your interpretation of the events.

As a photographer who runs into models who don't understand how things work, even after explaining in detail, it wouldn't surprise me if this turned out to be a case of you thinking you understood, but didn't. I'm talking about the ownership of the photos and the financial part of the deal.

BTW, do you have the right to use the photos on your site? Check your release. It may be that the photographer owns them. Even if so, there may be a way out, but it will require an attorney. I'm not an attorney, but as someone who is explained to me, while a release is a rather one-sided document...more a pledge on the part of the model than a contract between two people...the courts will take more literally a release in which the model received what the law calls "consideration" (money, prints, whatever...but especially money). If you have received nothing from the photographer, it should be a cakewalk to have the release set aside. This is why some attorneys tell photographers, even working in a TFP (time/trade for prints) situation to give the model a $1 or $10 check.

If you don't have the right to use the photos, I suggest you take your site down immediately and see an attorney to see if you can get some control over the shots.

[Catalinas]

Recourse for what? Your time in front of the camera? No offense, but I hate this kind of shit. Every girl and her mother wants a website and wants someone to do it for them..blah blah. I have calls every freaking week from someone who knows someone I know who wants me to do a website for them for a percentage. No thank you. The model shows her tits a few times and that's the end of it for her. The real work comes in designing the site and promoting it. Traffic is way more valuable to me than time.

Anyhow, he didn't make any money from it.. we're presuming.. so you didn't lose any money from it. The time your site wasn't up doesn't count because you said yourself you couldn't hire someone to do it, so you wouldn't have had a site anyway. Consider yourself lucky you learned to do things for yourself so early on and don't expect things handed to you in the future.

And yes, make sure you can legally use the pictures. The photographer has the legal right to use them.. sucks, but that's the way it goes.

My 2 grumpy cents...
Catalina

[PaulSweet]

Originally posted by Chauncy


I vote creative spam

I second the vote

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Catalinas
Recourse for what? Your time in front of the camera? No offense, but I hate this kind of shit. Every girl and her mother wants a website and wants someone to do it for them..blah blah. I have calls every freaking week from someone who knows someone I know who wants me to do a website for them for a percentage. No thank you. The model shows her tits a few times and that's the end of it for her. The real work comes in designing the site and promoting it. Traffic is way more valuable to me than time.

Anyhow, he didn't make any money from it.. we're presuming.. so you didn't lose any money from it. The time your site wasn't up doesn't count because you said yourself you couldn't hire someone to do it, so you wouldn't have had a site anyway. Consider yourself lucky you learned to do things for yourself so early on and don't expect things handed to you in the future.

And yes, make sure you can legally use the pictures. The photographer has the legal right to use them.. sucks, but that's the way it goes.

My 2 grumpy cents...
Catalina

I never discuss how much my clients pay or how much I make from my photos with my models. The models will always want 50% ("the money should be evenly divided 2 ways" is the extent of the logic they apply).

BUT...who finds and develops the customer? Who puts up the site where the pics are sold? Who has to spend major bucks in order to produce the end product (cameras and other hardware, locations, transportation, film, and so on...I even maintain a huge wardrobe with lots and lots of blouses, shirts, skirts, dresses, undies, lingerie, shoes, etc.). Who spends several hours in various kinds of post-production for every hour the model was in front of the camera? Who is the one who's risking his/her money on the outcome of most of the projects? The photographer?

Finally, and perhaps the harshest point of all: models are a commodity much more than photographers. Since I'm the one with the relationship to the guy who buys the photos, if things don't work out on a deal, I'm usually the one who's still in the loop, not the model. She's just another face in the catalog.

[UnseenWorld]

I'm thinking it was spam, too.

[gothweb]

I wouldn't have put it quite so harshly. Everyone thinks they are the most important link in the chain, but we do need models, after all.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by gothweb
I wouldn't have put it quite so harshly. Everyone thinks they are the most important link in the chain, but we do need models, after all.

What was I too harsh on? I love women and I love the models I work with most of the time. However, they are for the most part not businesspeople and more importantly don't want to be. They just want to model, and while we can't do our work without them, there will always be enough of them.

[.:Frog:.]

Why are people saying spam?
There is no webmaster program or service being offered and its absurd to think this post was trying to get signups at their paysite.

If this post was spam I'm confused on what I was expected to do that would make this person some money.

[redshift]

for a wanna be porn queen shes kinda shy aint she?

no tits yet

[tree]

i cannot beleive i was gone all day and this ugly whores posts are still on the first page! must be a boring day......sara...maybe if you showed some tits I would be nice.

im gonna ask gothweb for some morality lessons

[gothweb]

Originally posted by tree
i cannot beleive i was gone all day and this ugly whores posts are still on the first page! must be a boring day......sara...maybe if you showed some tits I would be nice.

im gonna ask gothweb for some morality lessons

I like Boobies.

[Catalinas]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld


I never discuss how much my clients pay or how much I make from my photos with my models. The models will always want 50% ("the money should be evenly divided 2 ways" is the extent of the logic they apply).

BUT...who finds and develops the customer? Who puts up the site where the pics are sold? Who has to spend major bucks in order to produce the end product (cameras and other hardware, locations, transportation, film, and so on...I even maintain a huge wardrobe with lots and lots of blouses, shirts, skirts, dresses, undies, lingerie, shoes, etc.). Who spends several hours in various kinds of post-production for every hour the model was in front of the camera? Who is the one who's risking his/her money on the outcome of most of the projects? The photographer?

Finally, and perhaps the harshest point of all: models are a commodity much more than photographers. Since I'm the one with the relationship to the guy who buys the photos, if things don't work out on a deal, I'm usually the one who's still in the loop, not the model. She's just another face in the catalog.

You might have misunderstood my point, which was exactly your point. Except in this case and in my case.. the photographer is expected to also be the webmaster and marketer of the site. I agree wholeheartedly, pay models by the hour and that's it. I have done it the percentage way in the past... no way would I do it that way again. When the money doesn't come in overnight, they get an attitude.

I guess the ironic part is, I am the 'model' also.. so I can speak from both ends which part is harder. The modeling is soo not the hard part.