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  • ModelPerfect
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    • Nov 2003
    • 2862

    #1

    WARNING: DoMyPhoto.com selling underaged model sets?!?

    I don't like ratting anyone out, but this is a serious issue. People...friends of mine...could potentially get into trouble if I remain silent, so I feel I have a responsibility to publicize this.

    A couple of days ago, I posted a thread, without naming any names, that I discovered an underaged model among several sets I purchased. The set in question was fully clothed and the model was 17, so I didn't feel it was serious enough to point any fingers...and the general response seemed to support this unnecessity. Since then, I've discovered 3 more models who were underaged and did indeed appear nude in the sets I purchased. One of them was only 15, while the others were 17. (There was a 5th model I discovered from the included docs, but I don't have any sets of her, so I can't really comment on that.)

    I talked with Mark of DoMyPhoto.com via icq and his initial response was "Hi Logan, but she have over 18 when I sent it. What problem?" Suggesting it didn't matter how old she was in the photo...just how old she is now. I hope most people understand how wrong that thinking is.

    Now, in all fairness, I should point out that what I base these claims on is (1) the birthdate on the model's ID and (2) the date she wrote on the release when she signed them. I cannot be sure when the set was actually shot, but who get's a model to sign a release 3 years before they actually shoot her?!? Besides, these documents are the only things a prosecuting body will have to go on as well. The girls could indeed be legal in the photos I have, but the only documentation I have support otherwise.

    If anyone has any comments or suggestions, I would love to hear them.
    Logan
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  • Jace
    FBOP Class Of 2013
    • Jan 2004
    • 35562

    #2
    what models are they on the site?

    if you know for a fact there were underage at the time of the shoot he needs to be reported

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    • Harmon
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      • Mar 2004
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      #3
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      • ModelPerfect
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        • Nov 2003
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        #4
        Originally posted by JaceXXX
        what models are they on the site?

        if you know for a fact there were underage at the time of the shoot he needs to be reported
        They're not on the site...never were, luckily. I had only just gotten around to sorting through all the sets. I don't post sets until I confirm the docs...
        Logan
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        • TheMob
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          • Jan 2003
          • 8584

          #5
          how can you be sure the girl was only 15?

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          • Xplicit
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            • May 2003
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            #6

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            • ModelPerfect
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              #7
              Originally posted by TheMob
              how can you be sure the girl was only 15?
              All I can claim is that she was 15 judging from the date she signed the release.
              birthdate: 20.10.1986 (Oct 20, 1986)
              release signed: 11.06.02 (June 6, 2002)
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              • xclusive
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                • Apr 2004
                • 35218

                #8
                oh that don't look good at all

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                • ModelPerfect
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                  • Nov 2003
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JaceXXX
                  if you know for a fact there were underage at the time of the shoot he needs to be reported
                  I don't know how I can be sure when the sets were shot. Although most of the releases were signed 2002, and Mark told me last year the sets were part of a semi-exclusive deal who's term has ended. My impression from our previous conversations was the sets were around 2 years old, but I can't find reference to that fact in my icq logs, so I can't be positive...
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                  • arg
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                    • Feb 2003
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                    #10
                    I'd ask the seller for clarification; still possible she signed at 15, but shot the set at 18+. Although even in that case, I'd guess that a model release signed by a minor would be invalid in the US (a parent/guardian would have to sign), so even if she was 18 in these sets, but 15 when she signed the releases, he should have gotten new releases signed. (I could be wrong, I'm unfamiliar with the international legal issues).

                    Also, while you absolutely wouldn't want them on a porn site, pictures of simple nudity of minors are not inherently illegal in the US. They could be deemed illegal depending on the context of their display (e.g. juxtaposed with pornography), or depending on the style of photos (genital closeups, sexual poses, etc.). It would certainly be a mistake for the seller to have mixed nudes of minors when marketing to adult webmasters, but nudity isn't the same thing as pornography.

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                    • ModelPerfect
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                      • Nov 2003
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                      I don't know how I can be sure when the sets were shot. Although most of the releases were signed 2002, and Mark told me last year the sets were part of a semi-exclusive deal who's term has ended. My impression from our previous conversations was the sets were around 2 years old, but I can't find reference to that fact in my icq logs, so I can't be positive...
                      Huh...I guess I can be sure. I received the 15 year old set on September 19, 2004... She wouldn't have turned 18 until October 20, 2004...
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                      • Sarah_Jayne
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 40077

                        #12
                        Not looking to shit stir but face shots of the girls might help some of us decide how much we need to freak out right now.

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                        • ModelPerfect
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                          • Nov 2003
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by arg
                          I'd ask the seller for clarification; still possible she signed at 15, but shot the set at 18+.
                          I just realized that one of the girls was only 17 when I received the set...no way she was legal in the photo.
                          Logan
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                          • ModelPerfect
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by arg
                            Also, while you absolutely wouldn't want them on a porn site, pictures of simple nudity of minors are not inherently illegal in the US. They could be deemed illegal depending on the context of their display (e.g. juxtaposed with pornography), or depending on the style of photos (genital closeups, sexual poses, etc.). It would certainly be a mistake for the seller to have mixed nudes of minors when marketing to adult webmasters, but nudity isn't the same thing as pornography.
                            I agree. These were NOT hardcore shoots. One of the alleged 17 year olds was spread...the 15 was topless/thong. I still wouldn't want to touch them with a 10 foot pole.
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                            • MaDalton
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                              • Feb 2004
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                              #15
                              i guess/hope every serious content producer handles it the same way and lets the girl sign a new release for every shooting he's doing with her. and also a new id shot every time. and of course it would be impossible for you to prove to the DOJ that the girl might have been 18 at the time of shooting if you just have papers that make her 15 at that time.

                              now you should of course not use that sets, but i would be very surprised if a content producer after all this discussion sells sets of 15 year old girls. if that is true, it would be really sad. it's true that the laws about that in europe are much more liberal, but it's about protecting the customers that are in danger if they receive illegal content according to their local laws.
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                                • ModelPerfect
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                                  Not looking to shit stir but face shots of the girls might help some of us decide how much we need to freak out right now.
                                  I thought about that, but I'm very hesitant about posting anything remotely linked with the set. I'll tell you that the girl does not look 15, and she had obviously gained some weight in the 1 year from the ID issue date and the date the release was signed...there's certainly a possibility Mark named and sent the wrong doc...but some of the others are too obviously the same girl for there to be a mistake.
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                                  • pxxx
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                                    • Mar 2004
                                    • 12114

                                    #18
                                    This is some deep shit. Just make sure you are completely accurate before you take it to any other level.

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                                    • ModelPerfect
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                                      • Nov 2003
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                                      i guess/hope every serious content producer handles it the same way and lets the girl sign a new release for every shooting he's doing with her. and also a new id shot every time. and of course it would be impossible for you to prove to the DOJ that the girl might have been 18 at the time of shooting if you just have papers that make her 15 at that time.

                                      now you should of course not use that sets, but i would be very surprised if a content producer after all this discussion sells sets of 15 year old girls. if that is true, it would be really sad. it's true that the laws about that in europe are much more liberal, but it's about protecting the customers that are in danger if they receive illegal content according to their local laws.
                                      I totally agree. And if this thread stops anyone from selling even potentially illegal sets, then I'm glad it did some good.
                                      The ironic thing is the releases clearly state "I hereby affirm that I am over the age of 18 years...", when they are being signed by girls under that age.
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                                      • ModelPerfect
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by pxxx
                                        This is some deep shit. Just make sure you are completely accurate before you take it to any other level.
                                        I'm trying to be objective and give just the facts as I know them, so people can make their own judgements. ...even if I am a little pissed over the events.
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                                        • ModelPerfect
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                                          #21
                                          Since Mark hasn't shown up in the thread, I'll post our icq along with his justification. The icq session spans a couple of days, so that might account for the time discrepancies...I just copy and pasted from the window:

                                          ModelPerfect.com (03:35 PM) :
                                          Mark...One of the sets you sent...with Ella...is underaged. According
                                          to the release and ID, she was just 17 when the set was shot.
                                          Mark (04:13 AM) :
                                          Hi Logan, but she have over 18 when I sent it. What problem?
                                          ModelPerfect.com (03:31 PM) :
                                          She wasn't over 18 when the set was shot...that's what matters.
                                          ModelPerfect.com (03:19 PM) :
                                          Mara is underaged too...and this set is full nude. WTF?!?
                                          ModelPerfect.com (03:35 PM) :
                                          and I still don't have docs for Kesa and Leo
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:03 PM) :
                                          And just found Suz is 15...this is unacceptable
                                          Mark (04:05 PM) :
                                          where you found it? all models over 18. Not look please date of files.
                                          computer had wrong date probably when it was created
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:06 PM) :
                                          I look at birthdate and date release signed
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:06 PM) :
                                          Just found Saka is 17 too
                                          Mark (04:06 PM) :
                                          ok, let me check it
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:07 PM) :
                                          Suz if 15, Mark!!!
                                          birthdate 20.10.1986
                                          signed release 11.06.02
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:08 PM) :
                                          and it's a nude set!
                                          Mark (04:08 PM) :
                                          she put wrong date in release. it's unpossible
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:13 PM) :
                                          I found at least 4 models that are under 18!
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:13 PM) :
                                          YOU are supposed to verify
                                          Mark (04:14 PM) :
                                          dont worry. look birth dates please. I sent wrong releases probably.
                                          or girls did mistake. I will look all papers
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:22 PM) :
                                          all I have to go on is the documents...and that's all the Federal
                                          Government will have to go on... I can't trust excuses
                                          Mark (04:24 PM) :
                                          so?
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:25 PM) :
                                          so?!?! it's illegal. I publish these photos, and I go to
                                          jail...that's what's "so"
                                          Mark (04:27 PM) :
                                          you received this photos when models have OVER 18. what problem? did
                                          you see birth dates? what problems? what panic? what?
                                          you had silence few months and now you doing the panic
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:29 PM) :
                                          photos were taken when they were underaged!!!!! it doesn't matter how
                                          old they are NOW!!!
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:29 PM) :
                                          This is first time I could go through all the sets. I haven't used
                                          them at all yet
                                          Mark (04:31 PM) :
                                          are you sure? I can received releases in any time. I can not use girls
                                          few years. and I can send wrong releases. anyway I can change it. WHAT
                                          PROBLEM?
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:34 PM) :
                                          I'm positive.
                                          Mark (04:34 PM) :
                                          I see
                                          ModelPerfect.com (04:36 PM) :
                                          I gotta go teach a class. We can continue later
                                          Mark (04:37 PM) :
                                          with pleasure
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                                          • ModelPerfect
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                                            • Nov 2003
                                            • 2862

                                            #22
                                            I have to leave for a few hours...I'll check back when I return. I apologize; I was anticipating the thread being done by now...
                                            Logan
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                                            • brand0n
                                              been very busy
                                              • Nov 2002
                                              • 26983

                                              #23
                                              thats why i stick with the bigger names, i know im gettin what im paying for, and everything is on the up and up
                                              want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                              • PatrickKing
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                                                • Jan 2004
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                                                #24
                                                Thats fucked up.
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                                                • freeadultcontent
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                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                                                  All I can claim is that she was 15 judging from the date she signed the release.
                                                  birthdate: 20.10.1986 (Oct 20, 1986)
                                                  release signed: 11.06.02 (June 6, 2002)
                                                  I was going to ask if by chance the date was reversed, which has caused panic to me before as well when buying from europe. But it looks like with what you posted above you already accounted for that. Well except for the release signed one which doesnt match the date of june 11th (june 6th) yet either way the year is correct.

                                                  Did you get copies of the passports as well? If so have you checked those in relationship to the releases?

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                                                    • m2mm
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                                                      I don't like ratting anyone out, but this is a serious issue. People...friends of mine...could potentially get into trouble if I remain silent, so I feel I have a responsibility to publicize this.

                                                      A couple of days ago, I posted a thread, without naming any names, that I discovered an underaged model among several sets I purchased. The set in question was fully clothed and the model was 17, so I didn't feel it was serious enough to point any fingers...and the general response seemed to support this unnecessity. Since then, I've discovered 3 more models who were underaged and did indeed appear nude in the sets I purchased. One of them was only 15, while the others were 17. (There was a 5th model I discovered from the included docs, but I don't have any sets of her, so I can't really comment on that.)

                                                      I talked with Mark of DoMyPhoto.com via icq and his initial response was "Hi Logan, but she have over 18 when I sent it. What problem?" Suggesting it didn't matter how old she was in the photo...just how old she is now. I hope most people understand how wrong that thinking is.

                                                      Now, in all fairness, I should point out that what I base these claims on is (1) the birthdate on the model's ID and (2) the date she wrote on the release when she signed them. I cannot be sure when the set was actually shot, but who get's a model to sign a release 3 years before they actually shoot her?!? Besides, these documents are the only things a prosecuting body will have to go on as well. The girls could indeed be legal in the photos I have, but the only documentation I have support otherwise.

                                                      If anyone has any comments or suggestions, I would love to hear them.
                                                      Ok Logan.
                                                      1. you reselling my content over one year. Right? Do you have any problems before? I think you bought hundrest sets from me.
                                                      2. you received this content in Dec 2004. Why you told here that you received it in Sep 2004?
                                                      3. you ask me about this problem two days back. I told you: show me please ID of this model. I send wrong release probably. Or you can read Russian yourself?
                                                      4. show here please ID of this model and I will show her release. So webmasters will check it. I think you would like delete competitor via this way. If not then show please ID here.
                                                      5. do you have content of my models who have under 18 now?
                                                      6. if you think I provide wrong papers WHY you not deleted my content from your site still?
                                                      You was my customer over one year without problems. But you not value good partner. Miserable
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                                                      • Rinaldo
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                                                        • Sep 2003
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                                                        #28
                                                        This is fucked if it's correct... maybe he did the paperwork wrong?

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                                                        • freeadultcontent
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by m2mm
                                                          Ok Logan.

                                                          4. show here please ID of this model and I will show her release. So webmasters will check it. I think you would like delete competitor via this way. If not then show please ID here.
                                                          I was interested in the ID/Passport dates as well, and not just the releases.

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                                                          • swedguy
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                                                            #30
                                                            Mark (04:31 PM) :
                                                            are you sure? I can received releases in any time. I can not use girls
                                                            few years. and I can send wrong releases. anyway I can change it. WHAT
                                                            PROBLEM?
                                                            So he want to change the release docs to make them 18?

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                                                            • freeadultcontent
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by swedguy
                                                              So he want to change the release docs to make them 18?
                                                              I do not think he meant it that way It is kind of obvious english is not his first nor best language.

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                                                              • m2mm
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by freeadultcontent
                                                                I was interested in the ID/Passport dates as well, and not just the releases.
                                                                yes, Logan not have claims to ID's. Just to two releases (from 300 releases). So can I do two mistakes in 300 things? And I proposed to Logan choose it. But Logan prefer big drama on GFY.
                                                                So Logan. Show please here ID's and I will show correct releases.
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                                                                • Veterans Day
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                                                                  #33
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                                                                  • m2mm
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by swedguy
                                                                    So he want to change the release docs to make them 18?
                                                                    I mean I sent not correct releases probably (with wrong names). Sorry for my English.
                                                                    And Swedguy why you have my confidential letter to Logan? Where you received it?
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                                                                    • freeadultcontent
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by m2mm
                                                                      So Logan. Show please here ID's and I will show correct releases.
                                                                      Sound reasonable to me. Should be nothing wrong with someone posting the ID's, specially if the provider just gave permission.

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                                                                      • jact
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by m2mm
                                                                        Ok Logan.
                                                                        1. you reselling my content over one year. Right? Do you have any problems before? I think you bought hundrest sets from me.
                                                                        2. you received this content in Dec 2004. Why you told here that you received it in Sep 2004?
                                                                        3. you ask me about this problem two days back. I told you: show me please ID of this model. I send wrong release probably. Or you can read Russian yourself?
                                                                        4. show here please ID of this model and I will show her release. So webmasters will check it. I think you would like delete competitor via this way. If not then show please ID here.
                                                                        5. do you have content of my models who have under 18 now?
                                                                        6. if you think I provide wrong papers WHY you not deleted my content from your site still?
                                                                        You was my customer over one year without problems. But you not value good partner. Miserable

                                                                        You're selling content with NON-ENGLISH model releases to American clients? What a class act! You really think they're going to look at Russian model releases and say, "hey, yeah, those are perfect!"
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                                                                        • m2mm
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                          YAY russians
                                                                          yes, again Russians. Because Logan not sent this post on Russian chats
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                                                                          • Screaming
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                                                                            • Feb 2004
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Thats not good at all.

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                                                                            • m2mm
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by jact
                                                                              You're selling content with NON-ENGLISH model releases to American clients? What a class act! You really think they're going to look at Russian model releases and say, "hey, yeah, those are perfect!"
                                                                              No, all releases on English. But few ID's on Russian.
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                                                                              • Dirty-Dough
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by m2mm
                                                                                So can I do two mistakes in 300 things?
                                                                                Actually. YOU CANT.

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                                                                                • jact
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by m2mm
                                                                                  No, all releases on English. But few ID's on Russian.
                                                                                  I have seen many russian ids, somehow I don't think that being in Russian hinders me or anyone who doesn't read Russian from reading a birth date in numeric format. And if it's not easy to match names from IDs to releases, you have more then just a little problem. Do you not realize what jepardy you're putting your clients in? Sloppy mistakes can put people in jail. Maybe you should find a burger flipping job?
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                                                                                  • swedguy
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by m2mm
                                                                                    And Swedguy why you have my confidential letter to Logan? Where you received it?
                                                                                    Look at post #21 in this thread.

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                                                                                      #43
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                                                                                      • m2mm
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by jact
                                                                                        I have seen many russian ids, somehow I don't think that being in Russian hinders me or anyone who doesn't read Russian from reading a birth date in numeric format. And if it's not easy to match names from IDs to releases, you have more then just a little problem. Do you not realize what jepardy you're putting your clients in? Sloppy mistakes can put people in jail. Maybe you should find a burger flipping job?
                                                                                        Let me remind - Logan had not any problems from me since 2003. And when he told me about problems I asked - show me please wrong releases and I will change it. But Logan showed not it. Why? I asked him here and he not showed again. Why? I can delete problem BEFORE he will use it. If he have this problems really. Did you see our dialogue? I proposed delete problems, but Logan prefer GFY.
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                                                                                        • m2mm
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by swedguy
                                                                                          Look at post #21 in this thread.
                                                                                          I see it now. Sorry. I not thought Logan will show it. Because he told in this dialogue than he is teacher. Can teacher do adult business in US?
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                                                                                          • jact
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by m2mm
                                                                                            Let me remind - Logan had not any problems from me since 2003. And when he told me about problems I asked - show me please wrong releases and I will change it. But Logan showed not it. Why? I asked him here and he not showed again. Why? I can delete problem BEFORE he will use it. If he have this problems really. Did you see our dialogue? I proposed delete problems, but Logan prefer GFY.
                                                                                            He went to you when he found a problem, and then he found another, and another, and you said and I quote "What problem?". You obviously do not realize the gravity of the situtation that you're putting your clients and partners in, even if this was a mistake. "What problem?"
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                                                                                            • swedguy
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by m2mm
                                                                                              I see it now. Sorry. I not thought Logan will show it. Because he told in this dialogue than he is teacher. Can teacher do adult business in US?
                                                                                              Anyone can do what ever they want, as long as it's legal. It's a free country.

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                                                                                              • m2mm
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by swedguy
                                                                                                Anyone can do what ever they want, as long as it's legal. It's a free country.
                                                                                                Really? Do you want such teacher for your children?
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                                                                                                • GuestHouse
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  I have only good to say about Mark. I don't think those models are under age. I'm pretty sure there's just a mix up with docs or dates. Most of his models look 20+ and I'm pretty sure most of them are too.

                                                                                                  Besides, if one sold sets of 15 years old girls just like that, wouldn't that person be cought by now? Again, I think Mark is clean on this one.

                                                                                                  Out of the records, how come a teacher is in this biz? ;) (This comment has nothing to do with this thread, just surprised me as I read it.)

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                                                                                                  • m2mm
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by jact
                                                                                                    He went to you when he found a problem, and then he found another, and another, and you said and I quote "What problem?". You obviously do not realize the gravity of the situtation that you're putting your clients and partners in, even if this was a mistake. "What problem?"
                                                                                                    but I proposed delete problems before. and Logan was in panic. I told few times : not worry. Then I asked: what problems?
                                                                                                    what I did uncorrect? we could solve problems immediately and without panic
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