37 die in Iraq today and Bush comes out smirking

[SuckOnThis]

And then the bastard has the nerve to say 'I firmly planted the flag of liberty'.

Can't believe people are still buying into this bullshit.

[Martin]

Still buying into it? I can't believe anybody bought into it in the first place.

[nico-t]

hm i guess its time for him to bring along another plastic turkey

[DomBuyer]

They crucified Clinton over a blowjob, but Bush continues his murderous ways and nobody cares.

[hydro]

All Democrats Are The Tools Of Satan!!!!!!!!!!!!111one

[wargames]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

And then the bastard has the nerve to say 'I firmly planted the flag of liberty'.

Can't believe people are still buying into this bullshit.

Yeah, war sucks.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

And then the bastard has the nerve to say 'I firmly planted the flag of liberty'.

Can't believe people are still buying into this bullshit.

sad ain't it

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Martin

Still buying into it? I can't believe anybody bought into it in the first place.

Americans thinks it is like a Marvel comic book...

Intellectual capacities are not their forte.

[Fake Nick]

the helicopter crashed because of bad weather ,

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

the helicopter crashed because of bad weather ,

Says who ?

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Says who ?

FOX News

[radical]

If America did decide to target Military Bases or depots used for nuclear facilities in Iran, then the beast their fighting in Iraq will only grow stronger and many more innocent people will die!

I'm definitly going to find a cave in a mountain and go live in it!

[mardigras]

I wonder if the new govt. that gets elected Jan 30th tells us to leave if we would resist or use that as a good handwashing time...

[pxxx]

I don't think Bush gives a shit.

[Pornwolf]

This whole fiasco is so far beyond anythiing we could have imagined 8 years ago it's sickening.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

They crucified Clinton over a blowjob, but Bush continues his murderous ways and nobody cares.

I do find this ironic. Bush seems to do whatever he wants, yet Clinton got nailed for getting a lousy blow job.

[Kapitan Ivanov II]

I like it when U.S. soldiers die.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

This whole fiasco is so far beyond anythiing we could have imagined 8 years ago it's sickening.

It is sickening. And whats even more sickening is half this country has no problem with it and some actually get a kick out of it.

[tungsten]

i said it before and ill say it again, bush is a fuckin idiot

[Rorschach]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

This whole fiasco is so far beyond anythiing we could have imagined 8 years ago it's sickening.

speak for yourself, and i bet the worst is yet to come.

[theking]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Americans thinks it is like a Marvel comic book...

Intellectual capacities are not their forte.

Americans know that every President since the end of the Second World War has engaged our military and in all of these occasions the countries involved did not represent any direct threat to America. Americans know that Presidents and the Congress engage our military when they perceive that it is in the best interests of our country...be it defense interests...or be it economic interests...or be it political interests. Americans know that when the military engages...some will die. The majority of Congress always provides its approval of a President's decision to engage our military and the majority of the American people always support a President's decision to engage our military.

BTW...the majority of Americans do not give a flying fuck what foreigners think about America...Americans...or the decisions made by our leaders.

[ironlung]

i fucking hate that all these soldiers are dieing everyday, FUCK BUSH

[Robatolla]

if we go into iran we are fucked.Meaning all of us will feel the effects of our countries actions.I don't buy the whole terrorism thing when it comes to Iraq.This was an unsaid agenda of our government and they are fucking it up.The real threats are still out there(Iran, North Korea) What about when our military is Stretched thinner and you bring another country or two?Hmmm?doesn't sound very good to me!We should have never gone in like we did!!!!!

[Robatolla]

i'm not a Clintonite but this is definately more serious of a FUCK UP.To think the time that was wasted and how many other things couldve been focussed on even then as far as terrorism.All he did was dupe his own colleagues.The Whole Country has been duped this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I would rather my president choosing what his interns do then choosing when we attack other countries.

[rambler]

Originally Posted by RocHard

I do find this ironic. Bush seems to do whatever he wants, yet Clinton got nailed for getting a lousy blow job.

The Republicans are a very well organized spin machine. It looks like they are trying to control the news media (which the American public believes is always unbiased and which they believe is NON-FICTION) while the Democrats seem to have the support of Artists(celeberties which are known for thier FICTIONAL traits)
And they(Republicans) are only getting better with all the $$$ and power(media) they have at their disposal.

Unfortunately, my opinion is that the slide down the slippery slope has begun. I don't think you can go back now .The US has no other option but to follow through with this IDIOT'S agenda.

[Robatolla]

Oh YA!80 billion?But were gonna cut that in half!YA RIGHT!Hmmmm?

[ThunderBalls]

Meanwhile bin Laden makes plans to attack the country again.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

They crucified Clinton over a blowjob, but Bush continues his murderous ways and nobody cares.

isnt it fucking crazy

[theking]

Originally Posted by RocHard

I do find this ironic. Bush seems to do whatever he wants, yet Clinton got nailed for getting a lousy blow job.

President Clinton Clinton did not get nailed for getting a blow job. He was nailed for lying...under oath...in a court of law. He committed a crime. The Judge convicted him for the crime ...and the House impeached him for the crime.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by theking

President Clinton Clinton did not get nailed for getting a blow job. He was nailed for lying...under oath...in a court of law. He committed a crime. The Judge convicted him for the crime ...and the House impeached him for the crime.

Oh please, he shouldnt have been questioned about it to begin with.

[theking]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Oh please, he shouldnt have been questioned about it to begin with.

He was being sued by an American Citizen in a court of law (for a sexual assault/harrassment)...the Judge and law decide what is allowed as to questioning/evidence in a court of law. He may have been the President but he is not above the law. He committed a criminal act and being an attorney himself...as well as his wife being an attorney...he knowingly broke the law...and was dumb enough to think that he would not be caught in the lie.

[rambler]

Originally Posted by theking

He was being sued by an American Citizen in a court of law...the Judge and law decide what is allowed as to questioning/evidence in a court of law. He may have been the President but he is not above the law. He committed a criminal act and being an attorney himself...as well as his wife being an attorney...he knowingly broke the law...and was dumb enough to think that he would not be caught in the lie.

How you can equate lying about a blowjob(which only affected his family and Monica on a mental level) with lying to the world about WMD as an excuse to throw out a regime , in the process killing 100,000+ innocent people?

... then again, I forgot; you are a drunk senile old man.... you are forgiven

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by theking

President Clinton Clinton did not get nailed for getting a blow job. He was nailed for lying...under oath...in a court of law. He committed a crime. The Judge convicted him for the crime ...and the House impeached him for the crime.

Millions of dollars and govt resources to focus on a blowjob, meanwhile Bin Laden was making plans to attack the country.

[theking]

Originally Posted by rambler

How you can equate lying about a blowjob(which only affected his family and Monica on a mental level) with lying to the world about WMD as an excuse to throw out a regime , in the process killing 100,000+ innocent people?

... then again, I forgot; you are a drunk senile old man.... you are forgiven

I am not "equating"...I am stating fact. President Clinton was convicted in a Court of Law and Impeached by the House...not because he got a blowjob...but because he committed a criminal act and was caught doing it.

Lying in a Court of Law has an affect upon the case at issue. He was being sued by a private citizen for a sexual assault/harrassment.

Who exactly lied about WMD. The consensus of the 15 American Intel Agencies...as well as the British...the Israeli...the French...the German...the Russian...the Egytian...the Jordanian...the Saudi and other Intel Agencies all concurred about WMD/WMD materials. So please be specific...who lied?

[camcutie]

Originally Posted by Kapitan Ivanov II

I like it when U.S. soldiers die.

I have two stepsons serving in Iraq and after your claim of being a terrorist and this last remark I may just actually report you to the feds even if you are kidding. You will just love being a "person of interest" to them if you know what I mean. You need to check yourself kid.....

*Krystal*

[TheMob]

I call for a revolution!!

[theking]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Millions of dollars and govt resources to focus on a blowjob, meanwhile Bin Laden was making plans to attack the country.

Not to focus on a blowjob...but to focus upon a President that was dumb enough to lie...while under oath...in a court of law...while being sued for sexual assault/harrassment. BTW...he is lucky that he only had to face one law suit for sexual assault...as several other women came foward and accused him of sexual assault and one woman accused him of out and out rape.

[theking]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Millions of dollars and govt resources to focus on a blowjob, meanwhile Bin Laden was making plans to attack the country.

BTW...President Clinton had several opportunities to capture Bin Laden...and at least one opportunity to kill him...and for whatever his claims as to why he didn't act...bttom line is he did not act upon these opportunities...even though Bin Laden had (twice) officially declared war upon the USA and had attacked US assests multiple times...including the CONUS.

[Easton]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

And then the bastard has the nerve to say 'I firmly planted the flag of liberty'.

Can't believe people are still buying into this bullshit.

it's amazing how quickly people forget about WW2 when about 37,000 soldiers were getting slaughtered every day... and now everyone gets their shorts in a knot when 37 die... it's still sad, but get a grip already

[BaldBastard]

When the US is charged with war crimes will America finally wake up?

Prostitute used in Habib torture: lawyer
January 27, 2005

Mamdouh Habib was the victim of atrocities fit for a concentration camp, including being tied to the ground while a prostitute menstruated on him, his lawyer said yesterday.

Interrogators at the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay had also told the Sydney man they had killed his family and superimposed animal heads on photos of his wife and children, Steven Hopper said.

At an Australia Day forum in Sydney, Mr Hopper gave more details of atrocities allegedly endured by his client while held at the US base in Cuba.

The Federal Government said it was aware of similar allegations of torture made by former British detainees at Guantanamo Bay but it was the first time the Government had heard the claims involving Mr Habib.

Mr Habib is due back in Sydney within a fortnight after the US said it would release him without charge despite holding him for more than three years on suspicion he knew about the September 11 attacks and had trained with al-Qaeda.

Mr Hopper said yesterday: "The Americans used prostitutes as tools in their interrogations. They'd say to detainees 'If you co-operate with us, we'll let you at this woman for the night'. And if they wouldn't agree they'd use them in other ways."

He said detainees held at the base with Mr Habib reported that a prostitute was told to stand over him and menstruate on him.

"[We believe] one of the prostitutes stood over him naked while he was strapped to the floor and menstruated on him," he said.

Mr Hopper said officials at the base also defaced photos of Mr Habib's wife, Maha, and their four children.

"The Americans in their wisdom have taken the heads off the pictures, enlarged them and superimposed them with the heads of animals and then strung them up all over the walls of the interrogation room," he said.

"As they sat there talking to Mamdouh asking him about his terrorist activities, they held up a picture of Maha and said, 'It's a shame we had to kill your family, it's a shame you will never see these people again'."

He said Mr Habib was also subjected to the same interrogation techniques used on prisoners at the infamous Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

"Make no doubt about it, Guantanamo Bay wasn't a prisoner-of-war camp," Mr Hopper said. "It was a facility designed to interrogate people. It was nothing more than a vulgar concentration camp and it has marked a new high in the rise of American fascism."

Mr Habib was detained in Pakistan in late 2001 and sent to Egypt before being flown to Guantanamo Bay in 2002.

Mr Hopper also detailed abuses against Mr Habib while in Egypt, saying he was suspended from the ceiling with only an electrified barrel to stand on.

"He would stand and get a shock or hang painfully by his arms until he'd collapse," he said.

He was blindfolded and locked in rooms that were flooded with water and charged with electricity, Mr Hopper said.

"On other occasions they used German shepherd guard dogs and [interrogators] told him they train dogs to sexually assault people," the lawyer said.

"Mamdouh has said he wasn't sexually assaulted by these dogs but really we don't know.

"Who would admit to it, particularly an Arab Muslim male?"

The forum Mr Hopper spoke at focused on Australia's political relationship with the US.

A spokesman for the Attorney-General, Philip Ruddock, said last night that it was the first time the Government had heard the claims involving Mr Habib.

"We haven't heard those sorts of allegations from Mr Habib but we're aware that allegations of that nature were made by other detainees released last year," Mr Ruddock's spokesman said.

"But if he's got any evidence to support those sorts of claims we'd pass them on."

[rambler]

Originally Posted by Easton

it's amazing how quickly people forget about WW2 when about 37,000 soldiers were getting slaughtered every day... and now everyone gets their shorts in a knot when 37 die... it's still sad, but get a grip already

This isn't WW2 where there was obvious justification for putting soldiers lives at risk.

[Easton]

Originally Posted by rambler

This isn't WW2 where there was obvious justification for putting soldiers lives at risk.

you don't think fighting for "democracy/oil" is important?

[theking]

Originally Posted by rambler

This isn't WW2 where there was obvious justification for putting soldiers lives at risk.

There are justifications anytime we put our soldiers lives at risk...or at the least perceived justifications...but of course not all will agree.

[Easton]

Originally Posted by theking

There are justifications anytime we put our soldiers lives at risk...or at the least perceived justifications...but of course not all will agree.

especially democrats

[reynold]

I think he is out of his mind.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Easton

especially democrats

Democrats...tend to agree when it is their President that engages our troops...as did President Truman...President Kennedy...President Johnson...President Carter...and President Clinton.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by theking

Democrats...tend to agree when it is their President that engages our troops...as did President Truman...President Kennedy...President Johnson...President Carter...and President Clinton.

the one thing...all Clinton bashers....have in common....they're very...VERY...stupid people...

[Hush.....]

Well, people die in Africa every day, what's up with this??? i guess we all forgot about it??? hhaa???



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[rambler]

Originally Posted by Easton

you don't think fighting for "democracy/oil" is important?

Fighting for democracy for me(and my friends/allies) is important. Invading a country on the other side of the world that had nothing to do with attacking me seems a little short-sighted, in my opinion.

If this was really about democracy then why didn't the US invade Cuba( or any other non-democratic country) all this time?

You are correct in stating OIL as probably the Real reason for this war.
Which I don't think is worth killling innocent people.(Without oil ; other methods of energy will be given priority for development ; and while the $$$ cost maybe a little higher in the beginning ; it will be better in the long run)

How would you like it if you were just conducting your business as you do daily and then some foriegn country decides that it would be in your best interest to be governed in a different way(by lying about the justification of attacking with false claims of your WMD), so they destroy your countries infrastructure and kill 100,000+ of your people(and maybe some of your love ones), then occupy your land until the government system that they like is fully installed(along with the businesses of their choosing)?

I know the chance of this happening is very slim but try to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

[theking]

Originally Posted by dig420

the one thing...all Clinton bashers....have in common....they're very...VERY...stupid people...

Danny boy...I personally do not bash President Clinton...although he... just as other Presidents...made decisions that I did not agree with. I do not bash Presidents in general...as it is a tough job to have...and when one cannot usually get 3 people to agree on something...one is never going to get 300 million people to agree on something.