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01-21-2005, 11:24 AM

Drinkinghard (Mark), I tried to avoid this thread, but after thinking long and hard about it. Plus seeing how I only have a handful of people who "actually" know me and can deny claims of me being this "theif" and "sheister" you are painting me to be....

I had to allocate special time to gather the necessaries to defend myself in this court of our business peers.

Me and you did business for several months.
Over that time a friendship was created.

People say business and friendship don't mix, I disagree...
I'd like to consider myself friends with most if not all my business associates...

But this is a situation of business and a personal friendship crossing lines, and causing confusion...

DH blasted me on here yesterday saying I owed him $1500..
Well here is what really happened....

We did business on cash upfront basis for a few months...

IN THAT TIME...
I purchased a package (I will not say what package as to not drag in that site owners name or site reputation)

I got horrible results from it....
Low traffic, No sales....

I contacted a sales rep, at GTS about my poor results, and the reply I got was basically
"That sucks man"
in return...

I then made a post on GFY stating that I had paid for some gallery traffic and received a package of poo poo in return...

I didn't state who it was, because I was friends with DH..
and didn't want to hurt his business or professional friendship in any way

DH icq'd me the next day angrily and pissed off because he felt I had hinted that it was gallery traffic services who had sold me a bad package.

He told me that he was especially pissed because we were FRIENDS, and that I should have come to him about it, he then stated that if I ever had another problem with a package that he would "take care of it" / "fix it". And not to make posts like that because people would put 2 and 2 together...

He then refunded me for that package

I apologized for making the post....
and in an effort to smooth things out for his business interest "gallerytrafficservices.com", I even changed my sig to promote GTS and endorsed them in the thread as a good source to by gallery spots from....

*Hell why wouldn't I seeing as how we were friends and he refunded my money from the bad package, and told me that he would take care of me if it happened again*

But when packages turned to poo again on me...
I owe him $1500 he says...

He has forgotten his "fix it" statement...
He has forgotten his friendly "I'll take care ot it" statement...

*******For Example********************

My friend OWNS the car dealership, he assured me that if anything went wrong with the car he sold me, that he'd handled it...

I paid a car note for 4 months, drove the car for 4 months.
But on the 5th month..
my car broke down......

Do I owe him that 5th months car payment?

Now factor in his "I'll take care" of it statement of the past and his
"I'll fix it statement of the past"

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Friendship caused a misunderstanding in business.....
Oh and for anybody doubting the validity of my statement...

Here is a link to the old thread, that lead to me being FULLY REFUNDED, even though that there are no gurantees given by GTS on their website. Drinkinghard and I had a conversation that lead me to believe my if I took a massive loss with his packages he would fix it.

In Closing...
Drinking Hard (Mark)

I don't wish any bad towards you, your family, your business, or your reputation...

But you pushed that button yesterday that forced me to talk about things I never planned on discussing publicly...

I have no hard feelings towards you at all...
I'm simply defending myself from your words.

Here is the link of the old thread

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01-21-2005, 11:29 AM

it's just my opinion but...

you buy traffic... if it sucks, you learn and move on to another site... there's no refund on a surfer that's visited you... UNLESS you can prove it was nothing more than hitbot or foreign or what have you.

Unfortunately.... GTS can't guarantee that they'll send you great conversions... they just guarantee that you'll get the listing on the site that you pay for.

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01-21-2005, 11:29 AM

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01-21-2005, 11:29 AM

The first time he refunded you he was being nice, and you're right, he let friendship interfere with the relationship. He NEVER should have refunded you, but maybe offer some other spots at a discount.

Your logic is weak. You buy advertising, you pay for it regardless of the results. The purpose of advertising is shifting the risk and reward to others. That risk and reward was purchased by you.

Let me ask you a question. You have obviously had successful campaigns with GTS. Have you ever kicked up a little extra to Mark and the sites you purchased advertising from?

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01-21-2005, 11:29 AM

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01-21-2005, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Platinum Lantern

*******For Example********************

My friend OWNS the car dealership, he assured me that if anything went wrong with the car he sold me, that he'd handled it...

I paid a car note for 4 months, drove the car for 4 months.
But on the 5th month..
my car broke down......

Do I owe him that 5th months car payment?

Now factor in his "I'll take care" of it statement of the past and his
"I'll fix it statement of the past"

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Yes you do still owe the car payment.

Why is it that you always end up having a beef with someone or someone calling you a scammer?
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01-21-2005, 11:30 AM

sometimes it's not the traffic which is bad

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01-21-2005, 11:32 AM

Platinum Lantern bullshit has been going on even before there was even something called "gfy"........
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01-21-2005, 11:33 AM

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01-21-2005, 11:34 AM

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01-21-2005, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by MaDalton

sometimes it's not the traffic which is bad

My thoughts exactly, if I had an issue I would have moved on.

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01-21-2005, 11:35 AM

Hmm... and you are 100% sure its the "package" you bought that was defective, and not your marketing towards that traffic? Impossible to say you are sure, so you pay for it.
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01-21-2005, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by NichePay - StuartD

it's just my opinion but...

you buy traffic... if it sucks, you learn and move on to another site... there's no refund on a surfer that's visited you... UNLESS you can prove it was nothing more than hitbot or foreign or what have you.

Unfortunately.... GTS can't guarantee that they'll send you great conversions... they just guarantee that you'll get the listing on the site that you pay for.

This sounds reasonable to me.
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01-21-2005, 11:36 AM

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01-21-2005, 11:36 AM

I remember a man who was perfect and sinless..
they flogged him publicly
nailed him to a cross and put a crown of thorns on his head...
They even drew lots to see who would get to keep his clothing...

I know I am not sinless.....
So I can expect backlash from those who don't know me...

Yes praise DH, praise GTS...
praise his name forever

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01-21-2005, 11:36 AM

I bought 11 clicks from DH and the GTS crew at Internext, and it did great for me! Considering doubling on my next purchase. POPPERS!!!!!!!!

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01-21-2005, 11:37 AM

Lets cut the bs... You're an idiot. Case closed.
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01-21-2005, 11:37 AM

got a full refund...
and a satisfaction gurantee, so why wouldn't I stick with them under those terms

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01-21-2005, 11:39 AM

I only give discounts to long term customers.
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01-21-2005, 11:40 AM

but I'm a crook...
judging from statements yesterday...
I just hit mark up one month made money and ran away
we did business for months

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01-21-2005, 11:42 AM

If your galleries were listed, then the service you owe for was rendered.

Thats about it.

The huggy kissy stuff has no bearing.

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01-21-2005, 11:46 AM

I'm doing business with Mark & GTS. I have complete conifdence in his integrity and great respect for his company's success.

I've bought a ton of advertising in my 20 years in this business. Some works, some doesn't. I've bought TV spots that did unreal results, and some that did squat.

That's advertising. I've never once asked for a refund in all those years. That was my media buy decision, I recognize every buy is a complete gamble, and I live with the results take my profits or loss and continue or move on.

Mark is going to be assisting us with sales on my projects and I know he values the importance of our deal and how much it will help his company to expand.

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01-21-2005, 11:48 AM

1. You owe him the money.

2. He did not have to refund you the first time. That was a gift.

3. You owe him the money.

4. If we were to follow your line of thinking we'd only have to pay for traffic if it was perfect and made us wealthy. If we didn't like the results we'd just say, "Sorry I didn't like the results" and not have to pay.

5. You owe him the money.

6. Yes, you must pay your car payment no matter what.

7. You owe him the money.

Did I mention you owe him the money?
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01-21-2005, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Platinum Lantern

but I'm a crook...
judging from statements yesterday...
I just hit mark up one month made money and ran away
we did business for months

Doesn't matter if you just met or knew each other since sharing umbilical cords...

You wanted a listing, he gave you a listing.. you never paid.

Just because it's called "Gallery Traffic" service, they're not dealing in traffic. They're dealing in ads and gallery listings. You're not buying a certain number of sales.

Speaking of which, you're supposed to pay in advance anyway. Guess the good faith he extended you wasn't good enough... instead you stiff him and then question his friendship.

In my opinion, not only is that not professional, it's not what a friend would do.

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01-21-2005, 11:49 AM

Did I mention you owe him the money?

Damn, man, I guess this thread really isn't going as planned for you.
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01-21-2005, 11:52 AM

Wait.. I have an idea.

Platinum Lantern.. I have a business proposal for you.

I would like to purchase a high priority listing on one of your sites, and I demand that a high percentage of your traffic leave your site to go to mine.

I also demand that no fewer than 50% of those people buy what ever it is I offer to sell them.

Should they not, then I won't pay for it.

I *might* say sorry for taking away all that traffic from your site and not compensating you for it... but probably not.

Deal??

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01-21-2005, 11:54 AM

I don't know how you can blame GTS, or expect them to do anything about the results.

You bought advertising. If your banner or gallery or whatever was put up as promised the responsibility then transfers to you.
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01-21-2005, 11:58 AM

I'll put my comments in here since I've boughts tons of paid spots from search engines and paid gallery spots, including GTS. You're buying a placement, there is absolutely no guarantee's of any sales or returns for that matter. I've had mixed reviews of GTS, some campaigns were very profitable, some brought in not a single join. It really depends on so many factors that its very difficult to predict how well something will do. But in the end, GTS is just brokering the transactions and if Mark even offered you a refund, consider yourself lucky. A bad buy is not GTS' fault, but a combination of factors. I'd just absorb the losses and move on to a different site...

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01-21-2005, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by NichePay - StuartD

you buy traffic... if it sucks, you learn and move on to another site... there's no refund on a surfer that's visited you... UNLESS you can prove it was nothing more than hitbot or foreign or what have you.

If I could get refunds for all the sucky ads I ever bought I'd prolly be Bill Gates by now

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01-21-2005, 12:24 PM

I guess by now you got the message. So, now you need another place to buy spots, I am selling, prepaid with no refunds.

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01-21-2005, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I'll put my comments in here since I've boughts tons of paid spots from search engines and paid gallery spots, including GTS. You're buying a placement, there is absolutely no guarantee's of any sales or returns for that matter. I've had mixed reviews of GTS, some campaigns were very profitable, some brought in not a single join. It really depends on so many factors that its very difficult to predict how well something will do. But in the end, GTS is just brokering the transactions and if Mark even offered you a refund, consider yourself lucky. A bad buy is not GTS' fault, but a combination of factors. I'd just absorb the losses and move on to a different site...

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01-21-2005, 01:27 PM

I don't get involved in DH's threads and he is away for the weekend so he wont be able to comment on this till Sunday probably and this is between you two.

I will say this though, We sell paid listings on TGP/MGP's we don't sell sales or CTR and clicks to your join pages that is the job of the advertiser. Do I want you to have a positive campaign, make money and renew month after month.. of course I do. Our percentage of renewing customers is huge..many buyers have spots on every single site we have spending over 10-15K month after month with great success.
When someone has a bad campaign it does suck..but what else can we say about it? . We can't force surfers to click galleries and buy.
Dh is a nice guy at least he offers refunds.. try getting one out of me LOL

The bottom line is we wont/can't make everyone happy.. we try as best we can, some buyers will have bad campaigns but most don't.

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01-21-2005, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Platinum Lantern

But when packages turned to poo again on me...
I owe him $1500 he says...

He has forgotten his "fix it" statement...
He has forgotten his friendly "I'll take care ot it" statement...

Surely you know there are no guarantees when purchasing traffic. Whether or not the traffic from the gallery spots converted, or whether or not it was the amount of traffic you expected, is irrelevant here. You paid for gallery spots and GTS delivered. To expect a refund, or not pay because you did not get the results you expected is outrageous and totally unprofessional.

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01-21-2005, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Platinum Lantern

*******For Example********************

My friend OWNS the car dealership, he assured me that if anything went wrong with the car he sold me, that he'd handled it...

I paid a car note for 4 months, drove the car for 4 months.
But on the 5th month..
my car broke down......

Do I owe him that 5th months car payment?

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01-21-2005, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Magnus3X

I don't get involved in DH's threads and he is away for the weekend so he wont be able to comment on this till Sunday probably and this is between you two.

I will say this though, We sell paid listings on TGP/MGP's we don't sell sales or CTR and clicks to your join pages that is the job of the advertiser. Do I want you to have a positive campaign, make money and renew month after month.. of course I do. Our percentage of renewing customers is huge..many buyers have spots on every single site we have spending over 10-15K month after month with great success.
When someone has a bad campaign it does suck..but what else can we say about it? . We can't force surfers to click galleries and buy.
Dh is a nice guy at least he offers refunds.. try getting one out of me LOL

The bottom line is we wont/can't make everyone happy.. we try as best we can, some buyers will have bad campaigns but most don't.

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01-21-2005, 01:58 PM

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01-21-2005, 02:03 PM

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01-21-2005, 02:04 PM

In this case Lantern you are wrong. You bought a package, traffic was delivered each day as was per the package you bought. Both the TGP and GTS fufilled their end of the bargain. Its then up to you to convert it.

If it doesnt convert, you cancel your package for the next month and try something else. Its really that simple. DH shouldnt have offered you a refund at all. At most if you had 10 days left in the month, maybe cancel your spots for the rest of the month and refund you for that.

DH has every right in this case to ask for the money owed.

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01-21-2005, 02:11 PM

Its always a shame to see this sort of storys, but did you get the TRAFFIC you paid for, not talking about results since that is a whole different thing?...
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01-21-2005, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Magnus3X

I don't get involved in DH's threads and he is away for the weekend so he wont be able to comment on this till Sunday probably and this is between you two.

I will say this though, We sell paid listings on TGP/MGP's we don't sell sales or CTR and clicks to your join pages that is the job of the advertiser. Do I want you to have a positive campaign, make money and renew month after month.. of course I do. Our percentage of renewing customers is huge..many buyers have spots on every single site we have spending over 10-15K month after month with great success.
When someone has a bad campaign it does suck..but what else can we say about it? . We can't force surfers to click galleries and buy.
Dh is a nice guy at least he offers refunds.. try getting one out of me LOL

The bottom line is we wont/can't make everyone happy.. we try as best we can, some buyers will have bad campaigns but most don't.

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01-21-2005, 02:19 PM

lol.. what I whinner.. you want them to take a $3000 loss because you didnt produce? If that was the case EVERYBODY would buy spots there.. you'd be dumb otherwise right..!?

Producing is your job.. The only time it might not be your fault is when they have a new tgp.. the price structure will sometime change depending on overall results/renewals... And even then.. I took the losses... you win some.. you lose some..

As for DH fixing it.. you should have asked him to fix it after 5-10 days of bad results... NOT 30 DAYS !! lol...

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01-21-2005, 02:21 PM

Dont be an idiot.

You agreed that all you would pay for is the spot and the traffic.

THats all they have to deliever

http://www.gallerytrafficservice.com/disclaimer.htm

THats why they have a disclaimer on the site.

You owe him the money, you fucked up.

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01-21-2005, 02:30 PM

DUDE, of course you have to make the 5th car payment.

you could have drove that shit crazy and fucked it up on your own, how do you feel that the car dealer was responsible after youve had your way with it for 4 months?

for those circumstances, you usually have some type of warranty in writing that protects both the buyer and seller.

in your case, there were no guarantee's on conversions or sales so i dont understand your logic.

from my understanding you were paying for the traffic, not the sales/conversions

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01-21-2005, 02:47 PM

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01-21-2005, 02:55 PM

back in 2002 i had bought a text link ad on consumption junction for $750...i ended up grossing like $250 total....i don't blame CJ for that - no question i got the traffic but it didn't convert well enough. it always sucks having ad campaigns that lose $ but that's business.

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01-21-2005, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by KRL

I'm doing business with Mark & GTS. I have complete conifdence in his integrity and great respect for his company's success.

Ditto that!

Sounds to me like u need to pay your bills.

I wish I could get a refund every time one of my print or web ads didn't pay off. That would take all the risk out of running a business.

I know Mark personally and today he is not around to defend himself. I have done business with GTS and always got exactly what I paid for. Gallery placements. It's YOUR job to do the selling not GTS's.

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01-21-2005, 03:22 PM

I owed DH 75 bucks for a spot and he sent the russian mob to my house and they made me eat poop and read poetry to them. Pay up or he'll do the same to you!!
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01-21-2005, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by angelsofporn

I owed DH 75 bucks for a spot and he sent the russian mob to my house and they made me eat poop and read poetry to them. Pay up or he'll do the same to you!!

prostetnic vogon jeltz!!!

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01-21-2005, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by MaDalton

prostetnic vogon jeltz!!!

You can say that again brother.
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01-21-2005, 03:30 PM

This is a perfect example of why friendship and business don't mix well. You've let "friendship" or "buddies doing for buddies" cloud you evaluation of this. The bottom line, in a court of law, you bought traffic, received traffic and have to pay for it. End of story. You may try and twist around it based on "buddy" or "friendship" but based on contract law you'll end up paying.. So pay for what you received.
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