lol.. what I whinner.. you want them to take a $3000 loss because you didnt produce? If that was the case EVERYBODY would buy spots there.. you'd be dumb otherwise right..!?

Producing is your job.. The only time it might not be your fault is when they have a new tgp.. the price structure will sometime change depending on overall results/renewals... And even then.. I took the losses... you win some.. you lose some..

As for DH fixing it.. you should have asked him to fix it after 5-10 days of bad results... NOT 30 DAYS !! lol...

Dont be an idiot.

You agreed that all you would pay for is the spot and the traffic.

THats all they have to deliever

http://www.gallerytrafficservice.com/disclaimer.htm

THats why they have a disclaimer on the site.

You owe him the money, you fucked up.

DUDE, of course you have to make the 5th car payment.

you could have drove that shit crazy and fucked it up on your own, how do you feel that the car dealer was responsible after youve had your way with it for 4 months?

for those circumstances, you usually have some type of warranty in writing that protects both the buyer and seller.

in your case, there were no guarantee's on conversions or sales so i dont understand your logic.

from my understanding you were paying for the traffic, not the sales/conversions

Good stuff.

I sale reputation.
You need? I got! Fixie fixie da bad reputation.

Yu rdy?
me 2.

Here is...
Everything is your fault when go on limb. OK?
You no gambling man? Then you no gamble.

See?
So easy!

back in 2002 i had bought a text link ad on consumption junction for $750...i ended up grossing like $250 total....i don't blame CJ for that - no question i got the traffic but it didn't convert well enough. it always sucks having ad campaigns that lose $ but that's business.

Ditto that!

Sounds to me like u need to pay your bills.

I wish I could get a refund every time one of my print or web ads didn't pay off. That would take all the risk out of running a business.

I know Mark personally and today he is not around to defend himself. I have done business with GTS and always got exactly what I paid for. Gallery placements. It's YOUR job to do the selling not GTS's.

I owed DH 75 bucks for a spot and he sent the russian mob to my house and they made me eat poop and read poetry to them. Pay up or he'll do the same to you!!

prostetnic vogon jeltz!!! :1orglaugh

You can say that again brother.

This is a perfect example of why friendship and business don't mix well. You've let "friendship" or "buddies doing for buddies" cloud you evaluation of this. The bottom line, in a court of law, you bought traffic, received traffic and have to pay for it. End of story. You may try and twist around it based on "buddy" or "friendship" but based on contract law you'll end up paying.. So pay for what you received.

Looks like the jury has decided in this "court of our business peers" that you need to pay GTS and cut your losses.

Oh yeah and I think you owe the 5th car payment too.

Thats really odd, cause my roommate, who is really good friends with the GTS crew, and ecpecially DH, as he went to his B-day party last night, has had nothing but good things to say about him, and or his business practices. So far it seems like you're the only one who has had lots of problems with them.

I can't believe this thread was even started. Pay GTS what you owe them.

guess why i have the 42 as my custom title....

do you have ICQ???

I have yet to deal with a more professional bunch than GTS. They are always there to help and go overboard. They are about the only people you can say that about in the traffic biz.

You bought a placement, not sales fool.

Grow up or move to the wading end of the pool.

Stupidity at its finest

wow you bought a spot, it didn't convert. you still owe em money

Very very rarely will I post in a thread about another broker, but I can't resist this one.

Dude you make a post complaining about GTS thinking DH will read it, which he did, then he gave you your money back. Here is the link of the old thread

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...um%2Flante rn


Then right after that you spammed GTS in the same thread? Why would you spam him if you think his traffic is bad? Where is your conviction man? This point alone says a lot about you. $1500 that's cheap to buy someone. You must feel like a hooker after her very first trick. Used and bought, cheap I might add.

The car thing? LOL, try it and watch the repo man tow your car away.

As far as the spot, well you KNOW you owe him the money. BE A MAN and Pay your debt.

this is a good thread to use for future reference......bookmarking now.

I pay for traffic and it is sometime a hit or miss. One day I can get 20 sign ups and the next maybe 2. Buying traffic is not a short term deal that would yield results for future traffic purchases. The learning curve for purchasing traffic is a steady one and does not rise sharply.

Hey but I got unbanned eventually....

muahahahahah

Sorry to hear things didn't work out. I can't say that I believe a refund was ever due, if there is one thing that can't be guaranteed it's traffic in our industry. I still don't see the point of making a thread on GFY for any of this. Would it have been that hard to call him and say everything on your mind?

Cheers,

Brad

I once purchased a text link via GTS, and had some disappointing results (only received about 5-10% of the clicks-per-day estimate I was given before I decided to go with it). After a bit of discussion they gave me a pro-rata refund. I'm reasonably happy with that result. That's all I wanted to say.

See..
thats what I like about GFY..
everybody has an opinion..
my whole entire point is....

If somebody..
especially The Owner of a company gives me a refund on a package..
and tells me that if there is ever another problem they'll take care of it..

Thats what DH said..
and he can't deny the refund or the "I'll fix it" "I'll take care of it part"....

He said it..
he did it...

So I took at that
I believed him

but shit went sour....

I see it now..
as him talking to me as a friend, and not as a business man, when he gave the refund and made the "assurance" statement....

I'm willing to try and settle this...
but a phone conversation is necessary...

DH icq me with a working cell....
my people will get the info and pass it on to me

I will call you within a week if at all possible

Didn't you lose some nice coin on that billboard campaign?

DH and GTS have rocked for me. BUT if you had a guarentee. They need to make good on the agreement. What everyone is failing to realize is like most of us you would have moved on after the first package tanked and not gone back but the guarentee kept you buying as you were in a riskless situation.

All the holier then thou "advertising is a risk" is BS. You should be able to rely on the deal made.

Did he really have the guarentee, now that is the question.

you're not the only would have got shitty results from them...in a thread not too long ago someboy said the same...and he got 'insulted' for his opinion :1orglaugh

Wiredguy is correct along with the majority of people here. It's a good thing you got a refund the first time.

If I buy an ad on a billboard on the side of the freeway, and I get good results to my taco stand for which the billboard is advertising, then I'm a happy taco vendor. I do this for 4 months and I make out ok. On the 5th month, I sell no tacos.. should I have to pay for the ad on the billboard?

FUCK YES!!!!

Fuckin' NON TACO EATIN' MUTHA FUCKAS!!!!

DrinkingHard(Mark) and GTS offer a great service.

Sometimes advertising works, sometimes it doesn't....

That's business for you.

Terry
www.projectvoyeur.com

Mark giving you the refund the first time was a favor to you. He didn't have to do it and you've done nothing but prove what a good guy he is by bringing it up.

As others have stated, when you buy traffic, ads, etc. you take what you get. It looks like you wanted to again take advantage of a friendship and Mark being a good guy to get your money back a second time. You looked the gift horse in the mouth. :(

Drinkinghard, Magnus and GTS are as good as they come, so if you're having problems with them when others aren't, you might want ask YOURSELF why that is......

You have yo understand that traffic is a dynamic thing, hardly static. EVERY site is going to have it's ups and downs, and traffic is never always going to perform exactly the same every time.. It's a changing trend. Did you think, perhaps, that you were promoting the wrong type of site with the traffic package you bought? TGP traffic is HIGHLY niche-driven, and you can sell one paysite on one set of traffic, and have great results, and turn around and try to market the same site to different traffic, and do TERRIBLY. Blaming GTS for the woes is not goign to change the fact that traffic is a wild card, and expecting results to be perfect every time is unrealistic to the max. The sites that GTS sells packages for have AMAZING traffic, if you are promoting the wrong site with the traffic, I don't care HOW amazing the traffic it, the site won't sell. THere a million different factors involved in gallery spots... The results could have been from anything... The gallery design didn't convert, the niche was wrong, whatever. I don't see how anyone could blame GTS, Mark, or even the tgps for unpleasing results. It's called "try and try again". It's a shame all this has come to the boards the way it has, I was stunned to see this thread. But I must say that I'm surprised you wouldn't have realized previously that NOTHING involving traffic is 100% guaranteed.

Stop crying and trying to convince everyone of your divine rightness. You are in the wrong and should pay up. As far as I'm concerned, Mark went ABOVE AND BEYOND the call of duty and professionalism, and if it was ME, you would NEVER have gotten that first refund. I have NEVER known Mark and the GTS crew NOT to go FAR out of their way to make a customer happy. In any other industry, paying him would NEVER even BE in question.. You'd pay up or go to collections.

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bump....nice informative thread......newbies take notice..........
see ya

Just had a nice girl give me a bj..............

Since when did "nice" girls give head? >=)

The most interesting thing about this thread is how nice people are being to someone who continues to be a total dick head. Rather than having something that's very, very simple to comprehend explained over and over he simply needs to STFU and pay the money he owes. Then anyone else considering doing business with him needs to think long and hard about it first.

CHUCHHHHHHHHH

You buy traffic, its you job to convert it......sure if they guaranteed you a certain amount of hits and you didnt get it than you can bitch abit.....

Traffic brokers dont gaurantee results you fuckin no mind.