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Shap · 01-20-2005, 07:56 PM

I just saw this.
http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=7064

Just a little advice for avn. CHANGE YOUR PASS SYSTEM. The lineup in vegas was way too long. It took more than 2 hours to pick up an exhibitor pass. Come on, that is totally unacceptable. Come up with a new pass system and stop using 90 year old ladies that don't have a clue how to operate a computer. They are slow and old to begin with and then you throw them into a terrible situation of having to deal with pissed off webmasters. Whoever was in charge of the handing out of passes in vegas should not only be fired they should be shot.

VIPimp · 01-20-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shap

I just saw this.
[url]stop using 90 year old ladies that don't have a clue how to operate a computer. They are slow and old to begin with and then you throw them into a terrible situation of having to deal with pissed off webmasters. :

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Juicy D. Links · 01-20-2005, 08:07 PM

I offered the old bitch a 50 spot to take me ahead of the line , she declined :-(

baddog · 01-20-2005, 08:10 PM

media pass is the way to go . . . 5 minutes

Trixxxia · 01-20-2005, 08:15 PM

Definitely a good idea would be for the companies to provide proof/id prior to the show and perhaps they can hand out the passes to their employees.

HAPPYPEEKERS · 01-20-2005, 08:19 PM

I agree... we had an exhibitor pass and it took us around 3 freakin hours!

Trixxxia · 01-20-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

media pass is the way to go . . . 5 minutes

Yeah, either that girl was on the ball or the media folks or people didn't think of getting a media pass beforehand.

Shoehorn! · 01-20-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers

I agree... we had an exhibitor pass and it took us around 3 freakin hours!

Same here.

MrIzzz · 01-20-2005, 08:23 PM

nice to finally meet ya bro

i agree that line was ridiculous. thank moses we only had to wait about 30 minutes, but still thats way too long

J.R. · 01-20-2005, 08:28 PM

I cannot agree more Shap.

I am tired of the show, it's the same old shit.

I was unhappy with Mandalay Bay, I won't stay there again.

maja · 01-20-2005, 08:30 PM

that's cuz you guys are lazy asses who slept in late. I waited like 20 min... oh wait i jumped the line

fatal attraction · 01-20-2005, 08:37 PM

That line was crazy! We waited about 2 hours also. Those poor old ladies didn't have a clue! They kept messing up the badges and having to redo them, which is probably what took so long.

It was great meeting you!

d00t · 01-20-2005, 09:13 PM

"What is your name again son? How do you spell ADAM?"

fire dem bitches

Juicy D. Links · 01-20-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by d00t

"What is your name again son? How do you spell ADAM?"

fire dem bitches

fl_prn_str · 01-20-2005, 09:20 PM

www.xbiz.com-
In addition, the venue, the Westin Diplomat Hotel & Spa, will be completely locked off from the public, enabling more networking privacy for adult company attendees.

hummmmm.......interesting............

Nader · 01-20-2005, 09:23 PM

I second that! It was the really bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAPPYPEEKERS · 01-20-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by J.R.

I cannot agree more Shap.

I am tired of the show, it's the same old shit.

I was unhappy with Mandalay Bay, I won't stay there again.

I agree.. We stayed at The Hotel and it was like a fucking 2 mile hike to the convention center

Never again!

Tala · 01-20-2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fl_prn_str

www.xbiz.com-
In addition, the venue, the Westin Diplomat Hotel & Spa, will be completely locked off from the public, enabling more networking privacy for adult company attendees.

hummmmm.......interesting............

WHOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

The Heron · 01-20-2005, 11:27 PM

I even was preregistered and picked up my shit early... still had to wait. They had a bunch of young looking dudes that just stood behind the old ladies not working. Was really sad.

onlymovies · 01-20-2005, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

I just saw this.
http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=7064

Just a little advice for avn. CHANGE YOUR PASS SYSTEM. The lineup in vegas was way too long. It took more than 2 hours to pick up an exhibitor pass. Come on, that is totally unacceptable. Come up with a new pass system and stop using 90 year old ladies that don't have a clue how to operate a computer. They are slow and old to begin with and then you throw them into a terrible situation of having to deal with pissed off webmasters. Whoever was in charge of the handing out of passes in vegas should not only be fired they should be shot.

Won't happen. After years and years of doing this show, you would think someone has a clue by now regarding these lines. Bottomline to them is cutting corners to make as much profit as possible. There's a reason Internext is in Jan and overlapping CES as same time...which is just a nightmare all around. It's nuts. But this won't change because AVN is overly confident that they hold this market..so there's no reason to make changes. They know you'll follow whatever they decide...and they're right...everyone has.

What i don't understand is why someone like Lensman, Epoch, (hint hint) doesn't see the big opportunity for a new show in Vegas to replace internext...and simply take over the Vegas show. Put it a few weeks after CES and everyone registers to this show instead of internext. Do it right for a change. Easier said then done obviously, but certainly not impossible when you gather a few of a the bigger players and pull together all their marketing power and resources.

Overall, my experience was ok. Aside from Mandalay having terrible customer service and the unacceptable showroom lines, i enjoyed myself..so that was cool.

Shap · 01-20-2005, 11:34 PM

Shit if anybody should run it, it should be you guys. You throw a BAD ASS PARTY!

onlymovies · 01-20-2005, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shap

Shit if anybody should run it, it should be you guys. You throw a BAD ASS PARTY!

lol...appreciate that Shap, but a business gathering/party is one thing...throwing a whole show? You gotta be out of your mind.

emthree · 01-20-2005, 11:57 PM

onlymovies:
That has been said over and over. But I agree, it's only a matter of time and drive.

SleazyDream · 01-21-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by onlymovies

Won't happen. After years and years of doing this show, you would think someone has a clue by now regarding these lines. Bottomline to them is cutting corners to make as much profit as possible. There's a reason Internext is in Jan and overlapping CES as same time...which is just a nightmare all around. It's nuts. But this won't change because AVN is overly confident that they hold this market..so there's no reason to make changes. They know you'll follow whatever they decide...and they're right...everyone has.

What i don't understand is why someone like Lensman, Epoch, (hint hint) doesn't see the big opportunity for a new show in Vegas to replace internext...and simply take over the Vegas show. Put it a few weeks after CES and everyone registers to this show instead of internext. Do it right for a change. Easier said then done obviously, but certainly not impossible when you gather a few of a the bigger players and pull together all their marketing power and resources.

Overall, my experience was ok. Aside from Mandalay having terrible customer service and the unacceptable showroom lines, i enjoyed myself..so that was cool.

he second someone thinks they are untouchable - they arn't.

I agree AVN really needs to work on the lines and the time frame. I see no reason what so ever to have to pay higher flight costs cause of CES and new years eve and holiday vacation people flying home- no possibility of extending my room in vegas and 2 hour can line ups cause of CES. 2 weeks later and everyone gets their upgrades on their flights at 1/2 the cost. Rooms are cheaper and you can do anything cause vegas isn't PACKED. I can even get a direct flight if it's a week later - can't do it that the time internext is cause it's too close to the holiday season.

AVN has listened in the past - this is a big one, and i HOPE they do listen up or someone is really gona take this from them and there won't be anything they can do about it.

WWC · 01-21-2005, 12:11 AM

and i have proof :-)

BradShaw · 01-21-2005, 12:14 AM

AVN is a joke, they do not care about us. We are a joke to them.

Someone should set up a real biz convention, "millionaires" convention. I am looking forward to the PHX and Cancun shows. Will not even be in Miami for that show.

Shap · 01-21-2005, 12:32 AM

Sleazy I agree with you. I don't mind the prices as much as i mind the timing of the show. 2 weeks after xmas. Days after New Years. Vegas is packed. Everything is booked. And the show itself was absolutely useless.

I was speaking with my head programmer today who's also been in the game for 8 years (worked with the Isupply guys) and we both seem to agree the avn shows haven't evolved with the times. They have always been geared towards the launch of new companies and products. Our industry seems to be in a state where we know 90% of the products out there. We don't need to see their booth. What we need to do is sit down with our peers and talk business. I have rarely picked up any business on the show floor. However private dinners and gatherings are definitely where it's at. The only reason avn's internext is still running is people flying there to meet at the same place. However i think we all saw it this year, the people aren't wasting their time walking the show floor thesedays. Was i the only one that felt the show floor was really empty this year?

Pornwolf · 01-21-2005, 12:36 AM

The two industry events overlapping is a good thing. There is some synergy there even if 75% of the IE attendees don't undersand it.

As was posted before, Epoch, Lens, Marc or someone else forward thinking needs to take over the week after and just switch the shit around. I'm sure if Lens did it the convention would be his in no time.

onlymovies · 01-21-2005, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

he second someone thinks they are untouchable - they arn't.

I agree AVN really needs to work on the lines and the time frame. I see no reason what so ever to have to pay higher flight costs cause of CES and new years eve and holiday vacation people flying home- no possibility of extending my room in vegas and 2 hour can line ups cause of CES. 2 weeks later and everyone gets their upgrades on their flights at 1/2 the cost. Rooms are cheaper and you can do anything cause vegas isn't PACKED. I can even get a direct flight if it's a week later - can't do it that the time internext is cause it's too close to the holiday season.

AVN has listened in the past - this is a big one, and i HOPE they do listen up or someone is really gona take this from them and there won't be anything they can do about it.

Exactly...putting all the lines aside, it's the simple fact that the whole show is impossible with it overlapping CES and so close the holidays. It's the simple things that matter as well. Trying to grab a limo, any type of dinner reservation in a decent place, or even catching a cab ends up being a huge production.

Then there's the flights and the room costs. If i wanted to stay an extra day to have a business meeting, aside from the rooms being at unacceptable prices cause of CES, the sad thing is that i simply CAN'T stay another day because they're all booked up....even if i wanted to pay more. I remember telling them i would pay double for the extra day for my room, but they wouldn't have it. No matter how much i offered, i had to leave. How is this helping my business? To have this show right after holidays and overlapping CES is such a joke on all counts.

It truly makes it impossible to do any 'on the fly' type of business with such massive limitations. And this is what AVN doesn't understand....their business model hasn't evolved along with this industries needs and wants.

I'm telling you, someone out there with some drive has a huge opportunity to take over this show and do it up right. It's obvious that AVN won't listen and nor do they care. But i really think it's just a matter of time before the big boys get together and take it over...if they're smart. I mean, someone out there must have some foresight and see this open opportunity..

SleazyDream · 01-21-2005, 01:28 AM

i'm not sure i want to go on an AVN bashing spree here.

Were the lines horrible - yes
Was it at the wrong time of year - yes.

can AVN respond to these two major problems? That is yet to be determined.

I see some new staff there these days that are capable people and listen when spoken to and I know for a fact they are aware of these problems.

AVN did listen to requests to change the venue - I was happy they at least tried something new even if it wasn't as good as the venetian.

The days of a corporate decision making process that takes forever to make up it's mind is OVER - it doesn't work to take forever with this crowd - everyone (big and little) in this marketplace is able to turn on a dime and it's why we make the money we do.

My

is this - before i go on any AVN bashing I'd like to see how they handle the next convention. I never really saw anyone complain about these two things properly before, so I feel they at least need the oportunity to react and fix the problem. If it happens again, I'll be the first to lead the charge to have someone else take it over though....but i have faith in the new staff and attitude i'm senceing from them that they will adress and fix this problem in the future.

inthestars · 01-21-2005, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

I just saw this.
http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=7064

Just a little advice for avn. CHANGE YOUR PASS SYSTEM. The lineup in vegas was way too long. It took more than 2 hours to pick up an exhibitor pass. Come on, that is totally unacceptable. Come up with a new pass system and

Two hours for an exhibitor pass? Damn, that is awful.

inthestars · 01-21-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by J.R.

I cannot agree more Shap.

I am tired of the show, it's the same old shit.

I was unhappy with Mandalay Bay, I won't stay there again.

Was something wrong with your room?

inthestars · 01-21-2005, 03:08 AM

I don't think AVN will ever move the convention, because they make too much money from gawkers who are in town for CES. Most of the fans at the AVN show didn't even know any but the most famous of the girls. They just wanted to see babes.

As for Internext, they should definitely move to the day after the AVN Expo ends.

beemk · 01-21-2005, 03:11 AM

not only was the wait for the line too long, but going on the floor wasnt anything to write home about. it was either good companies i already promote or companies that werent worth promoting. i think the private dinners and the parties was where it was it. i could have just slept in and not bothered with a show pass in vegas and i would have been happy.

FreeOnes · 01-21-2005, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by onlymovies

Won't happen. After years and years of doing this show, you would think someone has a clue by now regarding these lines. Bottomline to them is cutting corners to make as much profit as possible. There's a reason Internext is in Jan and overlapping CES as same time...which is just a nightmare all around. It's nuts. But this won't change because AVN is overly confident that they hold this market..so there's no reason to make changes. They know you'll follow whatever they decide...and they're right...everyone has.

What i don't understand is why someone like Lensman, Epoch, (hint hint) doesn't see the big opportunity for a new show in Vegas to replace internext...and simply take over the Vegas show. Put it a few weeks after CES and everyone registers to this show instead of internext. Do it right for a change. Easier said then done obviously, but certainly not impossible when you gather a few of a the bigger players and pull together all their marketing power and resources.

Overall, my experience was ok. Aside from Mandalay having terrible customer service and the unacceptable showroom lines, i enjoyed myself..so that was cool.

I totally agree ! Lines were too long. The date always sucks just after New Year, Christmas etc. And with the CES prices for hotels are insane and cabs are hard to get.

I have been sick now for 3 fucking weeks, including my time in the USA. Today it's going much better again. Anyway I don't think I go to Vegas next year.

BradShaw · 01-21-2005, 10:29 AM

"can AVN respond to these two major problems? "

Has AVN ever responded to anything for the internet show? No. It is an afterthought.

TheDoc · 01-21-2005, 11:05 AM

Other than coming to the show and paying for a badge... I won't ever spend the money again on a booth, for damn sure through AVN. $1000 Internet, can't move a box on your own, they fuck you over every way they can, shit stolen, blah blah blah..

Has a money program ever made it's ROI on a $50k+ booth & all the other show costs?

fl_prn_str · 01-21-2005, 11:09 AM

I personally think that the summer show (INTERNEXT ? Hollywood, FL) should be moved toward the 3rd or 4th week of the month. Why you ask....for content shooters who are bargain hunters....I?m am not saying you shouldn?t pay industry standard rates for talent but as the end of the month approaches....most talent don?t have enough $$$ to pay there rent.......so there much more easier to negotiate with?.

fl_prn_str · 01-21-2005, 11:10 AM

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WHOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Shades of Pornopalooza 2003

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xNetworx · 01-21-2005, 11:12 AM

I felt like I was waiting for tickets to the hottest concert of the year... not a tradeshow I already paid for.

Aly · 01-21-2005, 12:02 PM

I couldn't agree more, the lines on the first day of the show were unacceptably long.

Frankly, that's the EASY issue to solve. Convention facilities in Vegas (and most cities) require all labour to be performed by local IATSE union members. AVN is not making any money off high labour costs or the enforced use of unionized workers. AVN also has no say in who/ how old ;) those workers are... There was not some corporate decision to personally hire a bunch of 75 year olds to work computers! Solutions are being implemented to work objectively WITH that reality, (and the other factors that affected the unusually long lines this year,) and prevent such things next year.

Yes, the shows ARE changing... the Florida show this year is a very different model.

But to go back to Vegas Internext... AVN manages a convention, companies show up and exhibit, or not... AVN doesn't control who exhibits, or HOW they exhibit. As someone who's been a client and CUT her exhibiting budget in recent years, I see the Internext as clearly indicative of how this industry has shifted through the years. I really don't see the logic in bashing AVN for the fact that the show's not as exciting as it once was. KEEP TELLING ME how Vegas Internext could better serve this industry and I'll listen.

As far as dates go... I'm listening... also remember that I'm listening to about 1000 different points of view on that! There are many who LIKE being around the AEE convention dates and would be furious to see that change. Dates are also very limited by the availability of space in Vegas at any point in time. I recently discovered that it's a little more complicated than it appears to the rest of us.

If you have ideas on how Internext can better serve the industry, please tell me.

[email protected]

Shap · 01-21-2005, 12:13 PM

With regards to passes, why not have an online system where registered people can enter in the exact display they want on the pass and have the passes all ready before hand. That would save a ton of time and really not add any cost.

Aly · 01-21-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shap

With regards to passes, why not have an online system where registered people can enter in the exact display they want on the pass and have the passes all ready before hand. That would save a ton of time and really not add any cost.

THANKS for the suggestion!

Yes, that's similar to some of the options being considerd. Badge holders would still be required to show ID to get in (because it's adult), but I like something along those lines, too.

Tala · 01-21-2005, 12:26 PM

This may sound like a ridiculous question, but why have it in Vegas? I had a good time, but trying to get stuff done in a place where their light bill is more than Bill Gates' pension is a serious problem for me. Too many distractions all in one place.

The Florida show was sooo much easier for me, concentration-wise. Not too much other crap happening.

tony286 · 01-21-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

THANKS for the suggestion!

Yes, that's similar to some of the options being considerd. Badge holders would still be required to show ID to get in (because it's adult), but I like something along those lines, too.

IF you sent everyone their badges before and then they have to show id to get in , wouldnt it validate and lessen lines? Just a thought

Peaches · 01-21-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tala

This may sound like a ridiculous question, but why have it in Vegas? I had a good time, but trying to get stuff done in a place where their light bill is more than Bill Gates' pension is a serious problem for me. Too many distractions all in one place.

The Florida show was sooo much easier for me, concentration-wise. Not too much other crap happening.

It's not easy finding a venue that's "adult industry" friendly for that many people.

Personally I love it being in Vegas, but like the others, I hate WHEN it is

Tala · 01-21-2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

It's not easy finding a venue that's "adult industry" friendly for that many people.

Personally I love it being in Vegas, but like the others, I hate WHEN it is

Good point.

*nudges toward Seattle....looks around.....nudges again*

If Vegas MUST be the place, then for pity's sake, please put it someplace that NOT a 3-mile walk from the hotel next door.

ArkansasDave · 01-21-2005, 01:22 PM

I agree, the lines were toooooo long! It was like cattle.

ArkansasDave · 01-21-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasDave

I agree, the lines were toooooo long! It was like cattle.

But unlike cattle, I lived and had a great time at the show!

01-20-2005, 07:56 PM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Internext Changes I just saw this. http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=7064 Just a little advice for avn. CHANGE YOUR PASS SYSTEM. The lineup in vegas was way too long. It took more than 2 hours to pick up an exhibitor pass. Come on, that is totally unacceptable. Come up with a new pass system and stop using 90 year old ladies that don't have a clue how to operate a computer. They are slow and old to begin with and then you throw them into a terrible situation of having to deal with pissed off webmasters. Whoever was in charge of the handing out of passes in vegas should not only be fired they should be shot.

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01-20-2005, 08:10 PM	#5
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	media pass is the way to go . . . 5 minutes

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Trixxxia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 5,600	Definitely a good idea would be for the companies to provide proof/id prior to the show and perhaps they can hand out the passes to their employees.

01-20-2005, 08:28 PM	#11
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	I cannot agree more Shap. I am tired of the show, it's the same old shit. I was unhappy with Mandalay Bay, I won't stay there again.

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fatal attraction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: where ever he is! Posts: 6,522	That line was crazy! We waited about 2 hours also. Those poor old ladies didn't have a clue! They kept messing up the badges and having to redo them, which is probably what took so long. It was great meeting you!

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Nader Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 5,086	I second that! It was the really bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-20-2005, 11:27 PM	#20
The Heron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,488	I even was preregistered and picked up my shit early... still had to wait. They had a bunch of young looking dudes that just stood behind the old ladies not working. Was really sad.

01-20-2005, 11:34 PM	#22
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Shit if anybody should run it, it should be you guys. You throw a BAD ASS PARTY!

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Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Sleazy I agree with you. I don't mind the prices as much as i mind the timing of the show. 2 weeks after xmas. Days after New Years. Vegas is packed. Everything is booked. And the show itself was absolutely useless. I was speaking with my head programmer today who's also been in the game for 8 years (worked with the Isupply guys) and we both seem to agree the avn shows haven't evolved with the times. They have always been geared towards the launch of new companies and products. Our industry seems to be in a state where we know 90% of the products out there. We don't need to see their booth. What we need to do is sit down with our peers and talk business. I have rarely picked up any business on the show floor. However private dinners and gatherings are definitely where it's at. The only reason avn's internext is still running is people flying there to meet at the same place. However i think we all saw it this year, the people aren't wasting their time walking the show floor thesedays. Was i the only one that felt the show floor was really empty this year?

01-21-2005, 12:36 AM	#29
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	The two industry events overlapping is a good thing. There is some synergy there even if 75% of the IE attendees don't undersand it. As was posted before, Epoch, Lens, Marc or someone else forward thinking needs to take over the week after and just switch the shit around. I'm sure if Lens did it the convention would be his in no time. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

01-21-2005, 01:28 AM	#31
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	i'm not sure i want to go on an AVN bashing spree here. Were the lines horrible - yes Was it at the wrong time of year - yes. can AVN respond to these two major problems? That is yet to be determined. I see some new staff there these days that are capable people and listen when spoken to and I know for a fact they are aware of these problems. AVN did listen to requests to change the venue - I was happy they at least tried something new even if it wasn't as good as the venetian. The days of a corporate decision making process that takes forever to make up it's mind is OVER - it doesn't work to take forever with this crowd - everyone (big and little) in this marketplace is able to turn on a dime and it's why we make the money we do. My is this - before i go on any AVN bashing I'd like to see how they handle the next convention. I never really saw anyone complain about these two things properly before, so I feel they at least need the oportunity to react and fix the problem. If it happens again, I'll be the first to lead the charge to have someone else take it over though....but i have faith in the new staff and attitude i'm senceing from them that they will adress and fix this problem in the future. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

01-21-2005, 03:08 AM	#34
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	I don't think AVN will ever move the convention, because they make too much money from gawkers who are in town for CES. Most of the fans at the AVN show didn't even know any but the most famous of the girls. They just wanted to see babes. As for Internext, they should definitely move to the day after the AVN Expo ends.

01-21-2005, 03:11 AM	#35
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	not only was the wait for the line too long, but going on the floor wasnt anything to write home about. it was either good companies i already promote or companies that werent worth promoting. i think the private dinners and the parties was where it was it. i could have just slept in and not bothered with a show pass in vegas and i would have been happy. __________________ I host with Vacares

01-21-2005, 10:29 AM	#37
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	"can AVN respond to these two major problems? " Has AVN ever responded to anything for the internet show? No. It is an afterthought. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

01-21-2005, 11:05 AM	#38
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Other than coming to the show and paying for a badge... I won't ever spend the money again on a booth, for damn sure through AVN. $1000 Internet, can't move a box on your own, they fuck you over every way they can, shit stolen, blah blah blah.. Has a money program ever made it's ROI on a $50k+ booth & all the other show costs? __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

01-21-2005, 11:09 AM	#39
fl_prn_str Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 5,736	I personally think that the summer show (INTERNEXT ? Hollywood, FL) should be moved toward the 3rd or 4th week of the month. Why you ask....for content shooters who are bargain hunters....I?m am not saying you shouldn?t pay industry standard rates for talent but as the end of the month approaches....most talent don?t have enough $$$ to pay there rent.......so there much more easier to negotiate with?.

01-21-2005, 11:12 AM	#41
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	I felt like I was waiting for tickets to the hottest concert of the year... not a tradeshow I already paid for.

01-21-2005, 12:02 PM	#42
Aly President, ePufferProfits Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,881	I couldn't agree more, the lines on the first day of the show were unacceptably long. Frankly, that's the EASY issue to solve. Convention facilities in Vegas (and most cities) require all labour to be performed by local IATSE union members. AVN is not making any money off high labour costs or the enforced use of unionized workers. AVN also has no say in who/ how old ;) those workers are... There was not some corporate decision to personally hire a bunch of 75 year olds to work computers! Solutions are being implemented to work objectively WITH that reality, (and the other factors that affected the unusually long lines this year,) and prevent such things next year. Yes, the shows ARE changing... the Florida show this year is a very different model. But to go back to Vegas Internext... AVN manages a convention, companies show up and exhibit, or not... AVN doesn't control who exhibits, or HOW they exhibit. As someone who's been a client and CUT her exhibiting budget in recent years, I see the Internext as clearly indicative of how this industry has shifted through the years. I really don't see the logic in bashing AVN for the fact that the show's not as exciting as it once was. KEEP TELLING ME how Vegas Internext could better serve this industry and I'll listen. As far as dates go... I'm listening... also remember that I'm listening to about 1000 different points of view on that! There are many who LIKE being around the AEE convention dates and would be furious to see that change. Dates are also very limited by the availability of space in Vegas at any point in time. I recently discovered that it's a little more complicated than it appears to the rest of us. If you have ideas on how Internext can better serve the industry, please tell me. [email protected] __________________ . . Aly's ICQ: 51504163 . Aly's Email: [email protected]

01-21-2005, 12:13 PM	#43
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	With regards to passes, why not have an online system where registered people can enter in the exact display they want on the pass and have the passes all ready before hand. That would save a ton of time and really not add any cost.

01-21-2005, 12:26 PM	#45
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	This may sound like a ridiculous question, but why have it in Vegas? I had a good time, but trying to get stuff done in a place where their light bill is more than Bill Gates' pension is a serious problem for me. Too many distractions all in one place. The Florida show was sooo much easier for me, concentration-wise. Not too much other crap happening. __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

01-21-2005, 01:22 PM	#49
ArkansasDave Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 2,148	I agree, the lines were toooooo long! It was like cattle. __________________ -ArkansasDave! ICQ: 759-84452 CDGirls.com Do It!