Sponsor 'Leakage' Question - GoFuckYourself.com

dcortez · 01-20-2005, 11:44 AM

Hi,

I recently signed up with a very popular sponsor and I just found out to my suprise, that when I send traffic to any one of their 'niches', signups which result in THEIR other niches are NOT attributed to my account.

The only option which was presented to me by their marketing person was to request that my affiliate traffic not be shown cross-links (rather than simply including my appropriate affiliate codes for all related cross links).

This is the first sponsor that I have encountered which does not credit all signups resulting from my traffic.

I understand that some popunder and exit style sponsors leak their exit traffic to other programs for which I may not be necessarily credited, but I'm talking about sponsor signups from within their own network of sites and related to the demographic I'm sending them.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks,
-Dino

Warden · 01-20-2005, 11:46 AM

That is messed up they don't give you the follow me sales. Not only do we do that we have an Echo URL proggy, it's pretty generous but I think all sponsors should do it if they are really confident in their program and destinations.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-20-2005, 11:57 AM

lots of sponsor do this.. Annoying as hell..

Infact the xpays program will popup hotelheiress.com and you dont get credit.. Thats pretty shady

dcortez · 01-20-2005, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warden

That is messed up they don't give you the follow me sales. Not only do we do that we have an Echo URL proggy, it's pretty generous but I think all sponsors should do it if they are really confident in their program and destinations.

While I'm not totally surprised that this happens, it's the popularity of the sponsor which floors me. Either the affiliates (who brag about how great it is) accept the 'no-follow-me' sales, or don't know about it, or I have misunderstood this (although the marketing rep was quite clear).

Why would I want to send traffic to a limited sales opportunity? Wasting my traffic by dropping the sponsors internal cross-links is just as bad as not getting the revenues for sales generated by it.

-Dino

XPays · 01-20-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lots of sponsor do this.. Annoying as hell..

Infact the xpays program will popup hotelheiress.com and you dont get credit.. Thats pretty shady

That's totally false- every link in each host directory tracks completely through all exits, primary pages, dialer billing, email address collections and even the phone sex numbers if you enroll (and if you do not then there is no 'default' phone sex number shown at all). There is no instance of an affiliate id missing in our hardcoded proprietary software.

Any HotelHeiress pops will contain the id of the referring webmaster in the source and url.

here is a sample host directory http://www.xpays.com/clients/00025/xx/list.html

Smokey should be banned or post an apology. For crying out loud, even the 404 traps in the tgp's track for the originating source webmaster. We go out of our way to track accurately and that is our gig.

BlueQuartz · 01-20-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lots of sponsor do this.. Annoying as hell..

Infact the xpays program will popup hotelheiress.com and you dont get credit.. Thats pretty shady

xpays used to give us all credit for exits - shame they have turned to the dark side

BlueQuartz · 01-20-2005, 01:06 PM

oh

he was spreading bullshit

the exact reason why this board really sucks most of the time

you make yourself out as such a fucking know it all smokey the bear - why dont you make sure you got yo facts straight f00

XPays · 01-20-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueQuartz

xpays used to give us all credit for exits - shame they have turned to the dark side

Smokey is full of shit just like he was with info he sent us in the past. Remember smokey when you tried to assist us with a spoofer? My security people said your info was useless and you were full of shit and now I see why.

Smokey's claim is absurd! check the affil directory link- and test for yourself and Nothing has changed on our end. We track everything. We are the prototype for whitehat tracking.

XPays · 01-20-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueQuartz

oh

he was spreading bullshit

the exact reason why this board really sucks most of the time

you make yourself out as such a fucking know it all smokey the bear - why dont you make sure you got yo facts straight f00

i don't agree that the board sucks - but i do agree that smokey is full of shit

Rui · 01-20-2005, 01:17 PM

Smokey seems to have some appoligy's do indeed.. :/

Jace · 01-20-2005, 01:22 PM

i have noticed this too on some sponsors, and you know what my solution is? stop using them

i have been promoting nscash for years, and i had no idea that follow me sales even existed til i started getting sales in site i never promoted....it took me a day to figure out that it was the cookie following the user...gotta love that shit

dcortez · 01-20-2005, 01:39 PM

My general initial inclination after learning that 'follow-me' sales are not respected would ordinarily lead to dropping that sponsor, but this is a very high profile sponsor and, frankly, I would like to have a chance to earn some money through them.

To avoid any unecessary dramas (like the one earlier up this thread), I'm not looking to call anyone out - I'm just trying to reconcile how such a large sponsor (over a million in payouts monthly) can succeed with this approach?

-Dino

fedfest · 01-20-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

i have noticed this too on some sponsors, and you know what my solution is? stop using them

That's pretty much the only thing to do about it, if they fuck you, you say fuck them and move on.

Don't know if the mentioned program id pps or revshare, but if it's a revshare program i would consider anything that leads to sales that i'm not getting credited for the same as shaving.

If it's pps it may be another matter, but then thats why i don't care much for pps

Warden · 01-20-2005, 01:46 PM

Damn he had to go there and take a decent thread and fuck it up!

Paco, of Large Cash. · 01-20-2005, 02:01 PM

Hey Dino, glad to see you posting.
I've been keeping up with what is going on in your neck of the woods and I am glad all is good with you.

dcortez · 01-20-2005, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fedfest

Don't know if the mentioned program id pps or revshare, but if it's a revshare program i would consider anything that leads to sales that i'm not getting credited for the same as shaving.

It's revshare.

-Dino

dcortez · 01-20-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

Hey Dino, glad to see you posting.
I've been keeping up with what is going on in your neck of the woods and I am glad all is good with you.

Hey Paco

Thanks for the greet! Pretty muddy in BC right now. Houses are slipping down hills and the water levels are rising as the recent snow dump melts.

-Dino

fedfest · 01-20-2005, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcortez

It's revshare.

-Dino

In that case they'r cheating you..
A program can't make a deal for a 50% partnership and then only give you 50% of the 30% that carry your code..

dcortez · 01-20-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fedfest

In that case they'r cheating you..
A program can't make a deal for a 50% partnership and then only give you 50% of the 30% that carry your code..

They claim that a unique affiliate account/code is required for each of their niches and signups are counted only if the correct affiliate code is used for that niche.

This seems completely contrary to the many sponsors who bend over backwards to get your traffic and give you every chance and credit for sales that are even remotely attributed to your surfer referrals.

This does not seem to be an issue relating to technology limits. They have no trouble tracking multiple affiliate ids and they have the means to enable/disable cross-linking on an affiliate by affiliate basis.

They obviously find value in cross-linking from one niche preview to another, but they CHOOSE not to include your affiliate link code for the related niche.

-Dino

SmokeyTheBear · 01-20-2005, 02:56 PM

sorry xpays i totally gapped i am wrong . i was talking specifically about the cecash promotion for xpays sites

SmokeyTheBear · 01-20-2005, 02:58 PM

if someone made an accusation like that and didnt appologize if they were wrong i totally agree. I was not looking to start shit at all , i find nothing wrong with xpays or their sites. As far as whatever else shit your talking about , i have no clue , i spoke with nobody about your security so go dig another hole.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-20-2005, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

Smokey is full of shit just like he was with info he sent us in the past. Remember smokey when you tried to assist us with a spoofer? My security people said your info was useless and you were full of shit and now I see why..

what the fuck are you taling about you fucking idiot i found a sponsor that was directly selling the paris hilton video tape ( and made thousands doing so )

If anyone with a brain remembers i helped xpays out with this company who was #1 spot for google feeling lucky button , selling the xpays video.

They shutdown within hours of me reporting it and sent all sponsors an email.

and you thank me by lying about some spoofing shit... gofuckyourself punks.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-20-2005, 03:02 PM

Move on to another sponsor. End story.

dcortez · 01-20-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Move on to another sponsor. End story.

It's official.

I got a second confirmation from the company that they do not credit 'follow-me' sales and I just got a letter from the sponsor indicating that, upon my request, they have deleted links from their main preview page (for my traffic) to any of their other related niches so as to not incur sales for which I may not be paid.

This has got to be the most ridiculous approach I have experienced in a long time.

Rather than crediting me for all sales my traffic generates, they limit their efforts to cross-sell it instead.

Of course, I closed my account.

I guess when you're as big as these guys, you can get away with BS like that.

Oh well - I guess you better all spam me with Dating Sponsors which DO NOT do what I've just described.

-Dino

01-20-2005, 11:46 AM	#2
Warden Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Valencia, CA Posts: 2,906	That is messed up they don't give you the follow me sales. Not only do we do that we have an Echo URL proggy, it's pretty generous but I think all sponsors should do it if they are really confident in their program and destinations. __________________ AIM: ZeeRiddler ICQ: 128160005 Warden's MS

01-20-2005, 11:57 AM	#3
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	lots of sponsor do this.. Annoying as hell.. Infact the xpays program will popup hotelheiress.com and you dont get credit.. Thats pretty shady __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

01-20-2005, 01:46 PM	#14
Warden Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Valencia, CA Posts: 2,906	Damn he had to go there and take a decent thread and fuck it up! __________________ AIM: ZeeRiddler ICQ: 128160005 Warden's MS

01-20-2005, 02:56 PM	#20
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	sorry xpays i totally gapped i am wrong . i was talking specifically about the cecash promotion for xpays sites __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

01-20-2005, 02:58 PM	#21
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	if someone made an accusation like that and didnt appologize if they were wrong i totally agree. I was not looking to start shit at all , i find nothing wrong with xpays or their sites. As far as whatever else shit your talking about , i have no clue , i spoke with nobody about your security so go dig another hole. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

01-20-2005, 11:44 AM	#1
dcortez DINO CORTEZ™ Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 2,145	Sponsor 'Leakage' Question Hi, I recently signed up with a very popular sponsor and I just found out to my suprise, that when I send traffic to any one of their 'niches', signups which result in THEIR other niches are NOT attributed to my account. The only option which was presented to me by their marketing person was to request that my affiliate traffic not be shown cross-links (rather than simply including my appropriate affiliate codes for all related cross links). This is the first sponsor that I have encountered which does not credit all signups resulting from my traffic. I understand that some popunder and exit style sponsors leak their exit traffic to other programs for which I may not be necessarily credited, but I'm talking about sponsor signups from within their own network of sites and related to the demographic I'm sending them. Am I missing something here? Thanks, -Dino

01-20-2005, 01:06 PM	#7
BlueQuartz Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	oh he was spreading bullshit the exact reason why this board really sucks most of the time you make yourself out as such a fucking know it all smokey the bear - why dont you make sure you got yo facts straight f00

01-20-2005, 01:17 PM	#10
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Smokey seems to have some appoligy's do indeed.. :/

01-20-2005, 01:22 PM	#11
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	i have noticed this too on some sponsors, and you know what my solution is? stop using them i have been promoting nscash for years, and i had no idea that follow me sales even existed til i started getting sales in site i never promoted....it took me a day to figure out that it was the cookie following the user...gotta love that shit

01-20-2005, 01:39 PM	#12
dcortez DINO CORTEZ™ Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 2,145	My general initial inclination after learning that 'follow-me' sales are not respected would ordinarily lead to dropping that sponsor, but this is a very high profile sponsor and, frankly, I would like to have a chance to earn some money through them. To avoid any unecessary dramas (like the one earlier up this thread), I'm not looking to call anyone out - I'm just trying to reconcile how such a large sponsor (over a million in payouts monthly) can succeed with this approach? -Dino

01-20-2005, 02:01 PM	#15
Paco, of Large Cash. Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: --> . <-- Posts: 2,267	Hey Dino, glad to see you posting. I've been keeping up with what is going on in your neck of the woods and I am glad all is good with you.

01-20-2005, 03:02 PM	#23
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Move on to another sponsor. End story. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|