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Who is Spacash - Part 2

01-20-2005, 04:07 AM

Actually the tale is not so beautiful.

Martin has built all his business in the spanish market based on products like:

http://www.mildescargas.com/

A very clever business model where the end user connects through a dialer to pay between 10 and 20 euros to donwnload free software like ICQ, or kazaa....

OK so that is pretty cool and it gets better, he even gave his webmasters the possibility to hide/blind the connection terms & conditions (such as price, company name, support email, ect....). This beautiful business model made him a ton of cash, fuck the end user right?

Thanks to Martin, the boy wonder, the Spanish government decided to cut the use of premium rate numbers for dialer billing permanently in Spain, so this billing solution is now dead for everyone. I am not sure if any of you made money by selling per minute access in Spain to your content or member's area, but I bet there are some of you here that did. It was a legitmate business model that no longer exists thanks to Martin's clever business practices and to people like him.

Now he's trying the same thing in France & UK, but fortunately these markets are much more regulated than Spain. Hopefully, he will not be able to burn out these markets as well. Btw - Martin how is ICTIS doing amigo? Get your payment unblocked?

So our little story continues, and now Martin, the boy wonder, has decided to launch Spacash, obviously in an more legitimate way than his previous endeavours. Perhaps he has learned his lesson and we can chalk up everything in the past to youthful innocence, but I highly doubt it. You see Sr. Martin does not know how to sell a product, without cheating the end user. I guess time will prove me right or wrong.

Spacash looks good, and will look better once they have the sites translated correctly.

A final few points about Martin... just so you know... if Martin was living in Spain or France I have no doubt he would already be in Jail.

I know this is my first post, and that you do not know me, my English is not great but after reading this thread I felt obligated to write this post. Afterall, we all are just trying to make a living here so you better know who is sending you your paychecks at the end of the day ;)

So, Good luck Martin... We will not forget you.
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01-20-2005, 04:10 AM

Not surprised if true, the less morals you have the more you will make.
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01-20-2005, 04:13 AM

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01-20-2005, 04:17 AM

interesting...
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01-20-2005, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by bigdog

Not surprised if true, the less morals you have the more you will make.

That is sadly the trend with almost everything in the world
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01-20-2005, 04:19 AM

I believe this is all true, I used sponsoradulto and the software download sites exist.

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01-20-2005, 04:24 AM

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01-20-2005, 04:28 AM

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01-20-2005, 04:29 AM

I would love to hear their side of the story I never make judgements from one persons side.

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01-20-2005, 04:35 AM

I looked at SpaCash because they offer hentai sites for promotion.

While the site is supposed to be hentai, they don't seem to know what hentai is, because the galleries to promote their HENTAI sites (with hentai content used in the design!) are actually ALL filled with crappy cartoon content. I am wouldn't be suprised if this is the same case with the members area.

A whole lot of difference.

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01-20-2005, 04:37 AM

We are in the adult biz? Should we have any morals?

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01-20-2005, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by PlatinumPimp

I looked at SpaCash because they offer hentai sites for promotion.

While the site is supposed to be hentai, they don't seem to know what hentai is, because the galleries to promote their HENTAI sites (with hentai content used in the design!) are actually ALL filled with crappy cartoon content. I am wouldn't be suprised if this is the same case with the members area.

A whole lot of difference.

Holy shit...I guess those would convert like hell /sarcasm
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01-20-2005, 05:02 AM

Don't forget how he was doing the same with stolen animalsex content

Martin is indeed a real success story
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01-20-2005, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by PlatinumPimp

I looked at SpaCash because they offer hentai sites for promotion.

While the site is supposed to be hentai, they don't seem to know what hentai is, because the galleries to promote their HENTAI sites (with hentai content used in the design!) are actually ALL filled with crappy cartoon content. I am wouldn't be suprised if this is the same case with the members area.

A whole lot of difference.

I am actually sending traffic to their Toon site, and its doing well
Better than a lot of toon sites out there.
It has a great tour.
I dont understand this niche well, but i do know what a Hentai tour should look like to convert well.

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01-20-2005, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by slavdogg

I am actually sending traffic to their Toon site, and its doing well
Better than a lot of toon sites out there.
It has a great tour.
I dont understand this niche well, but i do know what a Hentai tour should look like to convert well.

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01-20-2005, 05:13 AM

lie and let live is what i say....mo money
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01-20-2005, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by pornstar2pac

smokey is gonna be pissed. stand the fuck back folks

no surprise chokey's involved if what Ronald says is true.

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01-20-2005, 05:19 AM

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01-20-2005, 05:19 AM

pornstar2 .. no, thanks

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01-20-2005, 05:20 AM

Hello,

Mildescargas as all our mainstream products worked very well on Spanish market and other markets too.

In Spanish and French markets mainstream products works better than sex products (for dialer traffic). We have them also in 8 languages and they?re open to start promoting for everyon who wants and have mainstream traffic from these countries.

The premium rate numbers in Spain we?re cut off in July of 2004 but that wasn't because of us. We we're the first company that add the price on all of our promos very clearly for the surfers.

The dialer end in Spain because of many companies that didn't add the price to the customers and most of them create auto-connect practicies and allow webmasters to promote is as free (a practise that was penalized by us).

Also, if somebody looks into the AUI.es from Spain (Internet users association) in the area of the demands surfers area there're only a very few about us. Most of them we're from ATT, Ruboskizo, Pillapc, and Gana Internet. All of them also smaller than us.

It?s strange to see a guy with 2 posts trying to start drama here

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01-20-2005, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by slavdogg

pornstar2 .. no, thanks

well then F-U!!!

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01-20-2005, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by slavdogg

I am actually sending traffic to their Toon site, and its doing well
Better than a lot of toon sites out there.
It has a great tour.
I dont understand this niche well, but i do know what a Hentai tour should look like to convert well.

Have you ever tried or Toongasm?
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01-20-2005, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by pelcito

The dialer end in Spain because of many companies that didn't add the price to the customers and most of them create auto-connect practicies and allow webmasters to promote is as free (a practise that was penalized by us).

That's exactly what you did yourself with stolen animalsex content! Why won't you comment on that? Scammer...
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01-20-2005, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by f | a s h

That's exactly what you did yourself with stolen animalsex content! Why won't you comment on that? Scammer...

The Animal sex is a legal content under Spain laws. Is not legal in France so i was never there, isn't legal in USA so it's never going to be here too.

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01-20-2005, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by Carola

The Animal sex is a legal content under Spain laws. Is not legal in France so i was never there, isn't legal in USA so it's never going to be here too.

It's still illegal to steal content. Once a thief, always a thief!
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01-20-2005, 06:03 AM

the end user always gets screwed.. thats economy.. there is always a loser.

The dialer example you gave is nothing different when it comes to 'shady business' as silent rebills, trials and crosssales..

Unless youre a complete retard you would have done exactly the same if you had the guts or brains to figure that out.
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01-20-2005, 06:03 AM

You've proven once already that you don't give a shit about others, and wouldn't think twice before running away with their money... How long before you do the same with spacash?
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01-20-2005, 06:09 AM

Interesting info, I had heard good things about SPACASH, but sometimes you have to look hard at the ownership of a company like that, since it heavily influences the decisions they make about billing, etc.

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01-20-2005, 06:10 AM

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01-20-2005, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by RottenPug

Interesting info, I had heard good things about SPACASH, but sometimes you have to look hard at the ownership of a company like that, since it heavily influences the decisions they make about billing, etc.

With so many good and trusted alternatives out there, why even bother with spacash?
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01-20-2005, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by mrthumbs

the end user always gets screwed.. thats economy.. there is always a loser.

The dialer example you gave is nothing different when it comes to 'shady business' as silent rebills, trials and crosssales..

Unless youre a complete retard you would have done exactly the same if you had the guts or brains to figure that out.

Rebills are an old practice that has been around forever, so are trials and crosssales. They might be hard to figure out for some surfers, but they are still legal.
You don't think there's a reason why their dialers were shutdown?

Please think before you post next time.
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01-20-2005, 06:23 AM

i wonder why you make suck a drama of this
a lot of adult compagny were build that way
even the mosts succesfuls ones...

and you know that

who will remember in 10 years ?

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01-20-2005, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by skillfull

i wonder why you make suck a drama of this
a lot of adult compagny were build that way
even the mosts succesfuls ones...

and you know that

who will remember in 10 years ?

Name one big company that was built by stealing and scamming that's still around today?
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01-20-2005, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by f | a s h

Name one big company that was built by stealing and scamming that's still around today?

i wouldnt
but just think at all the compagny that buildeded themselve with cross-sales and spam :P

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01-20-2005, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by skillfull

i wouldnt
but just think at all the compagny that buildeded themselve with cross-sales and spam :P

Cross-sales are still legal, nothing wrong with maximizing your profits. As for spam, yes you are right about that. But I still see a big difference in sending out spam versus installing and illegal auto-dialer with stolen content.

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01-20-2005, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by f | a s h

With so many good and trusted alternatives out there, why even bother with spacash?

Amen...I mean so much problems have been pointed in the past ops of young prodigy kid behind the program
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01-20-2005, 06:46 AM

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Cross-sales are still legal, nothing wrong with maximizing your profits. As for spam, yes you are right about that. But I still see a big difference in sending out spam versus installing and illegal auto-dialer with stolen content.

sure there is
but we all know that business have used shady tactics in the past
we can just hope that its finish, and that we will not piss off customers anymore

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01-20-2005, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by f | a s h

Rebills are an old practice that has been around forever, so are trials and crosssales. They might be hard to figure out for some surfers, but they are still legal.
You don't think there's a reason why their dialers were shutdown?

Please think before you post next time.

Silent rebilling as we know it wil be shutdown for the same reasons.

And till that day webmasters will squeeze the most out of it just like
martin did with his dialers.

Thats how things work when new billing methods rise.. think.
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01-20-2005, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by skillfull

i wouldnt
but just think at all the compagny that buildeded themselve with cross-sales and spam :P

jup spam sux but that's not done with stolen content or forced dialers....
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01-20-2005, 06:53 AM

I know people have done much more worst things than steal some content. geez

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01-20-2005, 06:57 AM

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01-20-2005, 06:58 AM

Interesting....

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01-20-2005, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by xlogger

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yes

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01-20-2005, 07:03 AM

so what?

way more important question - do these people making payouts all time to all webmasters or not.

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01-20-2005, 07:10 AM

SO you are saying as lomg as they pay, it doesn't matter they scam surfers, sell unlicensed content etc?

(not saying they did this)

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01-20-2005, 07:19 AM

Ronald is right ... SpaCash is one of the companies that killed the dialer biz in Spain forever.

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01-20-2005, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by justsexxx

SO you are saying as lomg as they pay, it doesn't matter they scam surfers, sell unlicensed content etc?

(not saying they did this)

nah, but if they are clean now
i wouldnt mind send them traffic
if they still using shady tactics
fuck them

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01-20-2005, 07:22 AM

Hello!

Just to clarify some dudes:

- We don't work with forced dialers. They're very clear for the surfer and we don't add "spywares" or popups as another companies do. We also always add the price with the cost of the connection very visible to the surfer.

Here's an example from Mexico (one of our most recent markets):
http://www.contenidoxxx.com/?country=mx

We setup offices in Mexico and also we have over 15 people working there.

- We don't use stolen content. I don't know where that comment appear but we always pay for our content and we have all their correct rights.

- We always paid all of our affiliates since 2002. We already pay over $20.000.000 to our affiliates and all of our webmasters we're paid since we begin. We also have an option to withdraw your money (in SPACash, SPONSORadulto and SPONSORIX) every time you want (everyday, every week, etc) and you don?t need to wait a month to get your money. Something that not all affiliate programs does.

We're a strong company with more than 120 employments with offices in 6 countries around the world and 3 flours offices in our headquarters at Montevideo, Uruguay.

We're a serious company and we already make a high inversion to join into the USA markets and make serious business together.

We're not here to fight with annonymous users.

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01-20-2005, 08:02 AM

How do you know so much unless you were involved?
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01-20-2005, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by mrthumbs

Silent rebilling as we know it wil be shutdown for the same reasons.

And till that day webmasters will squeeze the most out of it just like
martin did with his dialers.

Thats how things work when new billing methods rise.. think.

Stealing content is still illegal, and the auto dialer they used with the stolen animalsex content is not legal and never has been!
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