Try reading the thread.

i agreed poker is better but this is a game against the house and not
against a friend or someone at the table. two different kind of games

Think if I could get Kevinale, to alter his number generator to use the proper bet sequence and amounts... it would be much more clear to everyone and prove my point...

If someone knows him or has his ICQ let me know it or have him contact me please

no need to run simulations - simulations are only necessary for complex situations where the probabilities are unknown.

In this case the probabilities are known and certain...

So Studio, if you are so sure of yourself why arent you in Vegas now to become a millionaire?

Cough cough

There are many reasons... Business, Family, the casino's would just change the table limits...

Mind running the probabilities for my scenario?
$1 starting bet, $100 table maximum bet, 38 numbers to bet on, 35:1 payout.
Bet on 20 numbers. If you lose double down. If you lose enough times to reach table maximum, bet table maximum until you win ($5 per number). Once you win revert to the $1 bets.

Ahhhh i see.


*cough* bullshit *cough*

The best odds on a routette system is 1 bet straight-up on 1 number.

If you split that decreases payouts ( 17 + 17 < 35 )
If you bet on more than one number you're throwing money away. The ball can only land on 1 number at a time...

Not at all, by betting on more than one number you are increasing your chances of winning. with 38 numbers if you bet on 19 of them you have a 50% chance of winning. Whereas when you bet only 1 number you have a 2.63% chance of winning. Using a double down strategy with a max limit, you can turn a profit from all the simulations I have run.

Ok, last chance to explain this... this is the spins and bets you would have to make for 100 spins. If anyone can plug these numbers into a random number generator... even I would be interested...

spins 1 -7 Betting 5.00 1 chip at 35 to 1 and 4 chips at 17 to 1
spins 8 -13 Betting 6.00 2 chips at 35 to one and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 14 - 18 Betting 7.00 3 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 19 - 22 Betting 8.00 4 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 23 - 26 Betting 9.00 5 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 27 - 29 Betting 10.00 6 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 30 - 32 Betting 11.00 7 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 33 - 35 Betting 12.00 8 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 36 - 38 Betting 13.00 9 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 39 - 41 Betting 14.00 10 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 41 - 45 Betting 16.00 12 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 46 - 49 Betting 18.00 14 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 50 - 52 Betting 20.00 16 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 53 - 55 Betting 22.00 18 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 56 - 58 Betting 24.00 20 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 59 - 61 Betting 26.00 22 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 62 - 64 Betting 28.00 24 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 65 - 67 Betting 30.00 26 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 68 - 69 Betting 32.00 28 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 70 - 71 Betting 34.00 30 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 72 - 73 Betting 36.00 32 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 74 - 75 Betting 38.00 34 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 76 - 77 Betting 40.00 36 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 78 - 79 Betting 43.00 39 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 80 - 81 Betting 46.00 42 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 82 - 83 Betting 49.00 45 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 84 - 85 Betting 52.00 48 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 86 - 87 Betting 55.00 51 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 88 - 89 Betting 58.00 54 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 90 - 91 Betting 61.00 57 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 92 - 93 Betting 64.00 60 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 94 - 95 Betting 68.00 64 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 96 - 97 Betting 72.00 68 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 98 - 99 Betting 76.00 72 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 100 Betting 80.00 76 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1

Nice looking site. Can you explain why you picked pineapples?

Just because it is different... memorable, brandable... And some day when I actually have traffic and a lot of affilites. I want to shoot a lot in the Islands, as I like the islands...

Betting on 20 numbers at once......

If you bet on 20 of them, you've got the edge over the house.

Player 20/38 52.6 %
House 18/38 47.4 %

Thank You.

I will be testing my strategy sometime this week, I'll bump this thread and let everyone know how it went.

Sure AgentCash,

Odds of winning on betting on 20 numbers are 52% (2.6% x 20) and payout is $35 after paying $20 for the bet. (that's if I understand you correctly)

If you are doubling on a loss then you will hit $64 per number after 6 bets , thereafter you can't double just go to $100.

Once you hit the $100 max the doubling stops so lets look at winning on the 6th bet which is probably as far as you normally go in a 50:50 losing streak.

after 5 lossses you've lost $1,260 and on the sixth you win $1024 (thats a 35x$64 stake less the loss of $64x19 on the losers). Giving a loss of $236, even after you win on the sixth.

Obviously the probabilities of this are irrelevant as even in the favourable outcome you've lost, if you look at losing 4 and winning on the 5th you also lose.

Wierd huh? but the reason is that the table doesn't compensate for the risk. You have a 48% chance of losing so the return on a odds of each bet needs to give a least returns of 1.92:1 to break even in the long run however the return on each bet is only 1.84:1 (ie 35/19).


This illustrates how poor the odds are on the table.

Didn't do hitting the max but since you can't continue doubling and you're losing cash even if you double its a moot point.

This thread demonstrates perfectly why casinos (especially in the US with the double zero crap) LOVE roulette and goes to show there's actually a lot more than just 'one' born every minute :)

ARGHHHHH NOooooooooooooooooooooooo

You don't have an advantage you must factor in your return. You will win 52% of the time but what do you win - only 1.84 for your dollar stake, you need 1.92

You wouldn't have to double any bets. One unit on each of 20 numbers should be sufficient to make a profit over the long term.

When you've got a 5% edge, the key in theory would be having enough cash to sustain losing streaks and getting out when you are up. Over the long term, your 20 numbers will come up about 5% more than their 18 numbers. You figure in hot streaks when you are in the green, and you could walk away with quite a bit.

but..... u don't have a 5% advantage that's simply the difference between the winning and losing odds. If it was an even money bet you'd be ahead but its not

I can do it for adding 1 to the 20 and you'd last longer but still lose...

(sigh...)

Bingo... doubling simply puts your losing spins in your favor by allowing you to profit when a win comes up as if you had profited from them. The table max keeps you from doubling too many times and limits your loss during really bad losing streaks.

dudus,

Did you look at these... Yet?

Ok, last chance to explain this... this is the spins and bets you would have to make for 100 spins. If anyone can plug these numbers into a random number generator... even I would be interested...

spins 1 -7 Betting 5.00 1 chip at 35 to 1 and 4 chips at 17 to 1
spins 8 -13 Betting 6.00 2 chips at 35 to one and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 14 - 18 Betting 7.00 3 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 19 - 22 Betting 8.00 4 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 23 - 26 Betting 9.00 5 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 27 - 29 Betting 10.00 6 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 30 - 32 Betting 11.00 7 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 33 - 35 Betting 12.00 8 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 36 - 38 Betting 13.00 9 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 39 - 41 Betting 14.00 10 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 41 - 45 Betting 16.00 12 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 46 - 49 Betting 18.00 14 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 50 - 52 Betting 20.00 16 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 53 - 55 Betting 22.00 18 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 56 - 58 Betting 24.00 20 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 59 - 61 Betting 26.00 22 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 62 - 64 Betting 28.00 24 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 65 - 67 Betting 30.00 26 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 68 - 69 Betting 32.00 28 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 70 - 71 Betting 34.00 30 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 72 - 73 Betting 36.00 32 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 74 - 75 Betting 38.00 34 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 76 - 77 Betting 40.00 36 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 78 - 79 Betting 43.00 39 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 80 - 81 Betting 46.00 42 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 82 - 83 Betting 49.00 45 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 84 - 85 Betting 52.00 48 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 86 - 87 Betting 55.00 51 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 88 - 89 Betting 58.00 54 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 90 - 91 Betting 61.00 57 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 92 - 93 Betting 64.00 60 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 94 - 95 Betting 68.00 64 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 96 - 97 Betting 72.00 68 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 98 - 99 Betting 76.00 72 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1
spins 100 Betting 80.00 76 chips at 35 to 1 and 4 at 17 to 1

Do you code? I can have you look at my perl script and tell me where I went wrong, cause I have run this over millions of iterations and it has come up with profit everytime.

Sweet jesus:

Here it is adding 1 per bet - I don't even need to add stats:

Scenario 1 Lose 3 and win on fourth
Lose $20
Lose $40
Lose $60
Win $64 (35x$4 less 19x$4)
Net Loss $56

Heck lets try lose twice and win on thrid try
Lose $20
Lose $40
Win $48
Lose $12 Wooohooo!

I think lose once win second time is a winner but thats it. Your bet is increasing more than your return

Hi AgentCash - never looked at perl but I've done some other languages just send it over to jude @ jventures.com and I'll take a look at it if you like....

Where are you getting your numbers?

The correct winnings would be:

Scenario 1 Lose 3 and win on fourth
Lose $20
Lose $40
Lose $80
Win $80 (35x$5 less 19x$5) Table max exceeded. Max bet of $5 per number.
Net Loss $60

Heck lets try lose twice and win on thrid try
Lose $20
Lose $40
Win $64 (35x$4 less 19x$4)
Net profit $4 Wooohooo!


Now keep in mind you will on average win 52+% of the time. Over time this works to your advantage.

Studio, I will do this scenario on Excel and then post a link to it - gimmie 20 mins or so

Huh? Agent Cash, I was adding 1 per bet as you folks said would work.

therefore on the 4th bet you have a bet of 4. On the third a bet of 3 etc.... In my scenarios I started with 1 ($20 bet) then 2 ($40 bet), 3 ($60). Which scenario do you want to run add one or double. I did double up above....

Dudus, you are technically correct in not having a 5% advantage profit wise... but this method can still be profitable if you have a pre-planned walk away point.

1000 spins

20 numbers x $1 each = $20 per spin x 1000 = $20,000 total bets

1000 x 52.6% = 526 hits
1000 x 47.4% = 474 misses

526 hits x $36 = $18,936

A loss of $1,064 (5.3%)

Okay, so over the long term you will come out having lost 5% of your money. BUT... The key to this system is the given winning streaks that put you into the green and your ability to walk away from the table.

Another thing is that these roulette scripts (and mathematical theories in general) do not factor in the human aspect that we can walk away with our winnings before having the chance to lose them. The computer just keeps on going. It may be up $x when we'd walk away, but it keeps on betting and loses it.

Agent, add something to your script for it to stop if you hit a certain profit point even if you've got spins left. This will turn some losing rounds into winners. It would also cut down on the big winning rounds since you are just stopping before winning more, but you are still a winner. There's several different ways to play around with this idea.

I must have an error somewhere, cause I am not seeing losses when I run this. I have the script set to end on a win, but even before I did that it would always come up profitable. (Always being equal to 99.x%+)

Oh well, I suppose I've devoted enough time to this, anyone needs anything hit me up at [email protected]

Edit - you can try a javascript version at http://agentcash.com/gfy/scripts/roulette.htm just change the number of picks to 20 to see what I mean.

Gotta catch some z's - something else came up. Will post a link to the sheet tommorrow in this thread.

Can't believe I got sucked into this fucker!

For anyone that Cares or Gives a Shit... LOL

I updated the the web page with the system on it, with some spread type sheets... Maybe it will help?

http://www.nobulladult.com/system/

Anyone see a problem with this Perl code? (the hahaha's are "equal to"s) Does it describe your 'betting system' studio?

If cool, we can run it a 100,000 times or so. I'm down $30k so far on 110,000 spins. :stoned

Coole,

I don't know any scripting... The way I see it, if my number comes up at least Once in every 100 spins... you can't lose... Look at this generator a guy made... Just use the first two columns.... Look to see how many times it goes over 100 spins with out 23 coming up...
http://www.gravicor.com/scratch/asystem.html

I don't know what your missing? when the main bet # hit's are you dropping the bet back to the begining? $1.00 straight up 35 to 1 and the 4 split bets at 17 to 1

coole, Hit me on ICQ if you would 251860879 shit I see ICQ is down right now.

Studio...so you have "excuses" why youre not in Vegas doing this...now ofcourse i wonder why arent you doing this online? Noone will change the table limit, you dont have to leave your friends and family...you can even hire a Mexican to do the bets for you.
So, whats your excuse for this?

Then get a programmer-friend to check it out. I'm not looking for a pissing match with you, but I am "calling shenanigans" on your bogus system. I've done my bit to "do the math", as you challenged people to do.

Anyway, back to work for me; this is "case-closed" as far as I am concerned.

I have played with this for years... but as you can see from this thread... I or no one else has been able to prove the system will work or fail over the long hall... and as you can see from my charts on the web page... At 100 spins of the wheel, you are nearly at most table limits... in which case you would need to have someone else that could jump in and start adding the extra dollar amounts needed once you hit the table limit... and another person if the second hit the table limit...