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01-13-2005, 11:19 PM

Does an employee have the legal right to consider other job options?

lets take this a step further - does an employee on a company trip have the right to listen to a job offer from a rival company? MIN time frame. No corporate secrets given out.

can an employer fire an employee if they catch them entertaining the idea of another position?

capitolism means even employees have the right to LOOK in my opinion- so long as it doesn't take away from company time and no one on a company trip is 100% of their time working....

is this a legal reason to fire someone?

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01-13-2005, 11:25 PM

can i get an employee fired if i walk up to their booth and start talking to them about hiring them?

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01-13-2005, 11:26 PM

An offer is only that. They come and go. This space is full of incestous hand-offs of staffers and usually its due to inter-personal reasons.

Every person has the right to entertain any employment offer as it directly affects their livelyhood.

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01-13-2005, 11:27 PM

I think it would be fine as long as it was not on company time. But if they started to talk to you at a booth and stopped doing their job that would be a reason for possibly firing them. If you really want somebody though just slip them your card and ask to meet with them later on their time.

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01-13-2005, 11:27 PM

I think it would be innapropriate for an employee to discuss another job while working at their company's booth at a convention.
It would be better to schedule a meeting after working hours and spend the time the company is paying you for doing the company's business.

However lots of people do look at the classifieds on thier computers at work....happens all the time.

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01-13-2005, 11:28 PM

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anyone fired for that needes to find another job.
Its understandable that someone on a biz trip might get other job offers.
Unless the person spends a huge ammount of time trying to get a new job i dont see a problem with it.

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01-13-2005, 11:28 PM

no its not imho. if an employee is good at his job its obvious that he willalways have other offers. and some of them can be better than yours. its a free world.
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01-13-2005, 11:28 PM

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can an employer fire an employee if they catch them entertaining the idea of another position?

Depending on where you live, you can fire someone for any reason you want. The company just felt like letting them go for no major reason, they can.
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01-13-2005, 11:29 PM

I believe their current employer would still need to give them a two week notice, and
they are probably liable for workers compensation.

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01-13-2005, 11:30 PM

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I think it would be fine as long as it was not on company time. But if they started to talk to you at a booth and stopped doing their job that would be a reason for possibly firing them. If you really want somebody though just slip them your card and ask to meet with them later on their time.

ahh - fine line - their job at a convention IS to talk to me- what if i suddenly turn the conversation over to hiring them - do they have to stop talking to me as a client for fear of being fired or should they as a good employee continue to talk to me for the sake of business i may do or be doing with the existing company not really considering my offer but just talking to keep me happy as a client?

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01-13-2005, 11:32 PM

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Depending on where you live, you can fire someone for any reason you want. The company just felt like letting them go for no major reason, they can.

ahh- that isn't exactly true - in many areas if you fired someone cause you found out they were jewish or something like that you'd have a BIG legal problem on your hands.

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01-13-2005, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

ahh - fine line - their job at a convention IS to talk to me- what if i suddenly turn the conversation over to hiring them - do they have to stop talking to me as a client for fear of being fired or should they as a good employee continue to talk to me for the sake of business i may do or be doing with the existing company not really considering my offer but just talking to keep me happy as a client?

THey should politely change the subject or tell you that they are unable to discuss the matter at the time, but would be willing to accept your business card for future reference.

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01-13-2005, 11:33 PM

Just fire the person and tell him it's because he's not a woman with big natural tits and his religion and age interfere with his performance. But firing because the person was looking for a new job.. that's a tough one. As long as you don't discriminate you should be fine
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01-13-2005, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Entropy

THey should politely change the subject or tell you that they are unable to discuss the matter at the time, but would be willing to accept your business card for future reference.

now - does their boss have the right to terminate them for listening to an offer and accept a card on company time?

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01-13-2005, 11:36 PM

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now - does their boss have the right to terminate them for listening to an offer and accept a card on company time?

He can always claim he did so in order to not piss off a potential business partner for your firm and for networking purposes for when you promote him to be your busines development guy.
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01-13-2005, 11:36 PM

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now - does their boss have the right to terminate them for listening to an offer and accept a card on company time?

No thats an insecure boss thats worried about people leaving trying to make an example.

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01-13-2005, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by sandman!

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01-13-2005, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

Does an employee have the legal right to consider other job options?

lets take this a step further - does an employee on a company trip have the right to listen to a job offer from a rival company? MIN time frame. No corporate secrets given out.

can an employer fire an employee if they catch them entertaining the idea of another position?

capitolism means even employees have the right to LOOK in my opinion- so long as it doesn't take away from company time and no one on a company trip is 100% of their time working....

is this a legal reason to fire someone?

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01-13-2005, 11:39 PM

If a person wants to leave a business I have going - so be it. There's absolutely no way in hell I'd want him to stay ANYWAY. All employees can be replaced, and the goal of every manager should be having a Plan B for any of his top personnel. Besides, the moment an employee starts thinking about going that route (accepting new offers, going to interviews), his productivity goes down and both sides are unhappy and I have no time for games.
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01-13-2005, 11:39 PM

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any decent employee gets job offers on a regular basis.

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01-13-2005, 11:39 PM

Scott,

If someone was working at a booth and was approached, I think it would be a little out of sorts to make that person an offer at the booth. You could ask to speak to that person in private away from the booth.

I would also think that if that person was a good employee, their current boss should value them and not fire them. But now that they are fired you are in a better position to hire them.

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01-13-2005, 11:40 PM

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now - does their boss have the right to terminate them for listening to an offer and accept a card on company time?

I would say no. There are alot of variables, of course. Such as the amount of time devoted to the discussion.

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01-13-2005, 11:41 PM

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yes, he has the right to listen
yes, he can be fired

seems fair to me

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01-13-2005, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by sandman!

any decent employee gets job offers on a regular basis.

Thats life

Re-read what you wrote.

Any employee fired for that needs to find another job

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01-13-2005, 11:41 PM

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I would say no. There are alot of variables, of course. Such as the amount of time devoted to the discussion.

That's assuming of course that it's in passing and not a blatant conversation right in front of the employer.

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01-13-2005, 11:43 PM

Does an employee have the legal right to consider other job options?

Of course. Why the hell not?

lets take this a step further - does an employee on a company trip have the right to listen to a job offer from a rival company? MIN time frame. No corporate secrets given out.

Legally, they probably could. Ethically it could be image busting to the point that the person LOOKING to hire them should immediately question their integrity.

can an employer fire an employee if they catch them entertaining the idea of another position?

If it was on a paid business trip? Quite possibly.

capitolism means even employees have the right to LOOK in my opinion- so long as it doesn't take away from company time and no one on a company trip is 100% of their time working....

Perhaps, but you're also there representing that company. As I said, anyone discussing this at their employers expense would need to be seriously questioned. However, casual conversation about it at the Island Bar at 3am is a little different than 2PM while you're walking the show floor where you SHOULD solely be representing your employer and NOT yourself.

is this a legal reason to fire someone?

Assuming again, you mean the paid business trip, I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I'm not a lawyer however.

can i get an employee fired if i walk up to their booth and start talking to them about hiring them?

If the employee actively entertained the idea by showing further interest AT the booth, I would say yes. If you simply walked up to them and asked them if they'd consider working for you, I wouldn't think you could be fired for that. If they had ANY tact or common sense, they'd simply tell you that wasn't the time nor place to discuss it.
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01-13-2005, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

ahh - fine line - their job at a convention IS to talk to me- what if i suddenly turn the conversation over to hiring them - do they have to stop talking to me as a client for fear of being fired or should they as a good employee continue to talk to me for the sake of business i may do or be doing with the existing company not really considering my offer but just talking to keep me happy as a client?

While their job at the convention is to talk to you - their JOB is also to represent the company they are currently working for. They're job is to talk to you on behalf of the company. Any ethical employee would say 'Hey Bob, I'm on company time here - let's meet over drinks later tonight after I'm off and we'll talk numbers'. Just common sense business ethics, IMO.

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01-13-2005, 11:45 PM

Also, keep in mind that this may be an opportunity for you, as an employer, to learn WHY your guy wants to leave. It could be his wife pressuring him to move on, him not satisfied with the salary you're paying, or even the way you ignore him when he comes to you with ideas. YOU NEVER KNOW. Instead of ending the relationship in a bad way, I'd just sit down with him and EXTRACT this useful information from him as it may prevent your other employees from going that same route in the future.
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01-13-2005, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

can i get an employee fired if i walk up to their booth and start talking to them about hiring them?

I would never take you serious because a professional would never do this. Also, would you hire some one that's willing to jump ship on company time?
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01-13-2005, 11:46 PM

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Re-read what you wrote.

Any employee fired for that needs to find another job

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01-13-2005, 11:48 PM

ALSO, I've had an employee who was simply INSECURE and liked the notion of being desired by other employers in the same line of business. It's just like a man who feels good knowing women still find him attractive after 5 years of marriage. Same thing. Again, YOU NEVER KNOW
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01-13-2005, 11:51 PM

If I paid for someone to for example attend Internext and other people hit them up to work for them, I would just congratulate them on being good and myself for having a good taste in who works with me.

If I paid for someone to attend a show and they were actively looking to work for someone else, I would certainly think they were kind of a sucky person and feel kind of chumped. If I kept them on after that, that trip would probably be the last perk they ever got because someone who did that obviously does not appreciate getting perks.

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01-13-2005, 11:55 PM

corporately, you have to protect your territory, you cant allow your business info to be divulged, or even the possiblity of it...

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01-13-2005, 11:56 PM

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If I paid for someone to for example attend Internext and other people hit them up to work for them, I would just congratulate them on being good and myself for having a good taste in who works with me.

If I paid for someone to attend a show and they were actively looking to work for someone else, I would certainly think they were kind of a sucky person and feel kind of chumped. If I kept them on after that, that trip would probably be the last perk they ever got because someone who did that obviously does not appreciate getting perks.

Very well said, but conventions like Internext aren't really perks imo. They're vital for people to do business at, at least if the employer wants their employees to do WELL at their job.
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01-14-2005, 12:00 AM

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corporately, you have to protect your territory, you cant allow your business info to be divulged, or even the possiblity of it...

True, but there's only so much one can do to protect itself if you have employees.

If someone was gonna give company secrets away, who the HELL would do it when they're working the company booth. THAT'S a person I'd really have to meet to believe it.

No, they'd do it at home or something, which isn't something an employer can really protect against.

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01-14-2005, 12:01 AM

To turn this around a bit..

Would you hire someone as an employee knowing that they had no problem talking to you on their employer's time about working for you? In other words.. if they could do it to that employer they could easily do it to you?

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01-14-2005, 12:03 AM

I got some wise words from my brother from a jewish mother - virtumike

'don't bring your best employees to conventions, people will hire them away from you'

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01-14-2005, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by PersianKitty

To turn this around a bit..

Would you hire someone as an employee knowing that they had no problem talking to you on their employer's time about working for you? In other words.. if they could do it to that employer they could easily do it to you?

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01-14-2005, 12:04 AM

i have got offers at internext... and said no. i would hope that someone whould not fire me becuase of that

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01-14-2005, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by PersianKitty

To turn this around a bit..

Would you hire someone as an employee knowing that they had no problem talking to you on their employer's time about working for you? In other words.. if they could do it to that employer they could easily do it to you?

Exactly.

Just like the potential employer should question the integrity of someone willing to discuss a job offer at their current employers booth, "I" would question the integrity of anyone coming up to ME while I'm working my employers booth and offering me a job.
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01-14-2005, 12:06 AM

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i have got offers at internext... and said no. i would hope that someone whould not fire me becuase of that

my offers were just for one time sex though - not a long term thing...

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01-14-2005, 12:08 AM

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01-14-2005, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by ronaldo

True, but there's only so much one can do to protect itself if you have employees.

If someone was gonna give company secrets away, who the HELL would do it when they're working the company booth. THAT'S a person I'd really have to meet to believe it.

No, they'd do it at home or something, which isn't something an employer can really protect against.

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you have to bring out the knife as soon as you get an inkling of a conflict...
in this case, i agree with the employer 100%...

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01-14-2005, 12:13 AM

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you have to bring out the knife as soon as you get an inkling of a conflict...
in this case, i agree with the employer 100%...

Certainly you don't mean for simply discussing the possibility of a job?

I thought it was "For the working man" or something like that.

Damn man, just when I thought I had your views figured out.
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01-14-2005, 12:14 AM

The simple truth in this post is this...treat your people right so they dont have to look else where, also if your feel there is a problem sit down with them and talk to them and find out what the problem is, that is if you value that person, other wise fire them and be socialy retarded

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01-14-2005, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

I got some wise words from my brother from a jewish mother - virtumike

'don't bring your best employees to conventions, people will hire them away from you'

Tough call...as you want to always put your best foot forward. So you most certainly cannot do that with half ass booth peeps.

Catch 22.

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01-14-2005, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by ronaldo

Certainly you don't mean for simply discussing the possibility of a job?

I thought it was "For the working man" or something like that.

Damn man, just when I thought I had your views figured out.

business info is so very valuable, client lists, revenues, upcoming projects, growth, roi, budgets etc etc...the second i found out that a managerial employee was talking to a competitor about employment, i would terminate them...

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01-14-2005, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by the Shemp

business info is so very valuable, client lists, revenues, upcoming projects, growth, roi, budgets etc etc...the second i found out that a managerial employee was talking to a competitor about employment, i would terminate them...

I do see your point man, I just think that's really harsh.
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01-14-2005, 12:28 AM

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I believe their current employer would still need to give them a two week notice, and
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