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iBanker · 01-11-2005, 10:24 PM

My

As most of us already know, there were a handful of companies that were served at Internext by the Feds/DOJ (be it who it may) for allegations surrounding viotations of the CANSPAM act.

Here is something on my mind, that I though I would open up for discussion. Spammers are one thing, but lets talk 2257 compliance. No person of company to my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong) or any stature in this industry has been popped for non-compliance.

Imagine what happens when lets say an average pay-site based program does get nailed in non-compliance. Hypothetically speaking lets say this is the case:

Company Name: Porn Company, Inc.
Monthly Revenues: $1,000,000.00
Program: 20 Sites, 30 PPS, 50/50 Rev Share
Affiliates: 4,000
Monthly Payout: $850,000.00

(This is all made up, so all the haters and idiots.....well, you know....read the top of this page)

Any company (keyword COMPANY) running a program with even one section not in compliance could be shut down virtually overnight. This means no payouts, pissed off affiliates, and court battles that could last years. People (and by this I mean webmasters alike) are pissed now about things like iBill? Just wait until the Feds and Department of Justice get the need to scratch that itch that is 2257 compliance.

Think of the utter destruction it could do to this indusrty overnight. Feds don't "ask" companies to take down the one site that was not in compliance, they shut down everything. Everything. That means bank accounts too. And if the sites aren't up, members are sure as hell gonna bail like rats off a sinking ship.

just my thoughts (sorry about the spelling errors, my eyes are tired)

iBanker

iBanker · 01-11-2005, 10:26 PM

Sorry, I forgot to draw the seemingly obvious conclusion. No more program, no checks being mailed to affiliates.

pornguy · 01-11-2005, 10:29 PM

This is a subject that has been beat to death, but amazingly some people dont listen.

Theo · 01-11-2005, 10:30 PM

so true.....

iBanker · 01-11-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

This is a subject that has been beat to death, but amazingly some people dont listen.

I only bring it up based on what happened at internext. It is a matter of time.

GatorB · 01-11-2005, 10:44 PM

Ok with Ashcroft leaving this 2257 will probally be put on the back burner. Secondly no one has EVER been "popped" for the existing 2257 rules since they have been law, which is over a dozens years now.

NaughtyRob · 01-11-2005, 10:45 PM

Before you get "popped" contact me. I have a cure for your woes....
http://www.my2257.com

pornguy · 01-11-2005, 10:47 PM

also, if they try to nail you for spam, and can't, they may switch to 2257. Those fuckers will grab at straws to get their point across, and end the evil porn.

Mr.Fiction · 01-11-2005, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Ok with Ashcroft leaving this 2257 will probally be put on the back burner. Secondly no one has EVER been "popped" for the existing 2257 rules since they have been law, which is over a dozens years now.

Gonzales ?Commits? To Fighting Porn

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=212531

azguy · 01-11-2005, 10:58 PM

I think that this industry will somewhat change in early 2006. Don't know how exactly, but it will be totally different.

iBanker · 01-11-2005, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Ok with Ashcroft leaving this 2257 will probally be put on the back burner. Secondly no one has EVER been "popped" for the existing 2257 rules since they have been law, which is over a dozens years now.

Thats seems like an intelligent train of thought.

"It hasn't happened, so it won't"

Snake Doctor · 01-11-2005, 11:26 PM

The answer is simple, don't do business with companies that aren't in compliance, don't put all your eggs in one basket, and contribute to the Free Speech Coalition's 2257 defense fund so they can get the new regs struck down in court the same week they're published.

Thank you, that'll be $350

iBanker · 01-11-2005, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

The answer is simple, don't do business with companies that aren't in compliance, don't put all your eggs in one basket, and contribute to the Free Speech Coalition's 2257 defense fund so they can get the new regs struck down in court the same week they're published.

Thank you, that'll be $350

Good advice.

GatorB · 01-12-2005, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iBanker

Thats seems like an intelligent train of thought.

"It hasn't happened, so it won't"

That's not what I meant just stating facts. Now fuck off turd!

iBanker · 01-12-2005, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

That's not what I meant just stating facts. Now fuck off turd!

Thanks again.

GatorB · 01-12-2005, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Gonzales ?Commits? To Fighting Porn

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=212531

Well then that just proves I was right about adult webmaster being retarded for voting for Bush now doesn't it? That's alright if we have another 9/11 while "Speedy" is busy putting pornographers away he'll be out of a job.

Getting rid of porn or stopping terrorits. Ask 100 people which is MORE important.

nojob · 01-12-2005, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

The answer is simple, don't do business with companies that aren't in compliance, don't put all your eggs in one basket, and contribute to the Free Speech Coalition's 2257 defense fund so they can get the new regs struck down in court the same week they're published.

Thank you, that'll be $350

I am with you on that.

solonline · 01-12-2005, 12:18 AM

USC2257 is about the dumbest idea every dreamed up in a supposed regulation of adult. Im just glad we are moving all our Biz back into Europe so we dont have to deal with this crap! I have done great biz in the states, but fear bad times are ahead for all US based porn comps.

sharpx9 · 01-12-2005, 12:25 AM

just whorin through...

PerfectionGirls · 01-12-2005, 12:29 AM

Just love it that we are 100% to the letter of the law based on the new law that has not even gone into effect (might never0 yet. It was a pain in the ass, but now its done and I can rest.

AaronM · 01-12-2005, 12:52 AM

I'm a bit confused...With all these new 2257 laws that I keep hearing about...I understand that I may be required to get copies of models ID's and such in the future.

That seems like a llot of work to me and what if the model doesn't have or want to give me ther ID?

I just hope these new laws don't pass.

GatorB · 01-12-2005, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

I'm a bit confused...With all these new 2257 laws that I keep hearing about...I understand that I may be required to get copies of models ID's and such in the future.

That seems like a llot of work to me and what if the model doesn't have or want to give me ther ID?

I just hope these new laws don't pass.

They don't have to pass to become law. Just for the AG to say they are law. Congress gave him that authority. All he had to do have a "public review" period beforehand and that ended in Spetember.

AaronM · 01-12-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

They don't have to pass to become law. Just for the AG to say they are law. Congress gave him that authority. All he had to do have a "public review" period beforehand and that ended in Spetember.

So from what you are saying...IT's law now.

Great. Kindly post me a link to the .gov site that contains this new law.

Thank you for your time and info...It's much appreciated to us newbies.

GatorB · 01-12-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

So from what you are saying...IT's law now.

Great. Kindly post me a link to the .gov site that contains this new law.

Thank you for your time and info...It's much appreciated to us newbies.

No I didn't say it was law NOW. It's law whenever the AG says it is. WTF is your deal?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-12-2005, 01:07 AM

Reading the questioning and answers in that artical.

I wonder really if the leadership of this country is sane at this point.
Not only were the questions from the Senate nut's but the responses were just as bad.

There are some sick fuckers in the government.

thebizbucket · 01-12-2005, 01:09 AM

people got nabbed at internext ? and here i was thinking it was all cool and nothing weird went down..

who got hit ?

AaronM · 01-12-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

No I didn't say it was law NOW. It's law whenever the AG says it is. WTF is your deal?

Just trying to learn from the experts. WTF is your deal?

AaronM · 01-12-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thebizbucket

people got nabbed at internext ? and here i was thinking it was all cool and nothing weird went down..

who got hit ?

FTC nabbed people, not the DOJ.

GatorB · 01-12-2005, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Just trying to learn from the experts. WTF is your deal?

Because you are being sarcastic for no reason. You are about as much a "newb" as I am an "expert"

AaronM · 01-12-2005, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Because you are being sarcastic for no reason. You are about as much a "newb" as I am an "expert"

You've just made my point. Thank you.

My problem is too many people posting info that leads to more confusion rather than facts.

And with that said...I'm done with this thread. It's been interesting to say the least.

GatorB · 01-12-2005, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

You've just made my point. Thank you.

My problem is too many people posting info that leads to more confusion rather than facts.

And with that said...I'm done with this thread. It's been interesting to say the least.

Listen the AG does NOT need congressional approval for this to become law. This is fact and feel free to prove me wrong. There is no law to "pass"

Rui · 01-12-2005, 04:43 AM

If people don't comply then they don't deserve getting paid..simple no?

abyss_al · 01-12-2005, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by azguy

I think that this industry will somewhat change in early 2006. Don't know how exactly, but it will be totally different.

much sooner than that... saaaay... this May... mak these words: "big change coming soon"

JimmiDean · 01-12-2005, 05:01 AM

I fully agree, but my understanding was what happened at Internext was more do to the use of spam email and not being able to opt out ?

iBanker · 01-12-2005, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Because you are being sarcastic for no reason. You are about as much a "newb" as I am an "expert"

Accuracy at its finest....finally.

VideoPass_Alex · 01-12-2005, 10:45 AM

oh thats all coming. what a great place to snare 95 percent of the whole adult internet.

i wouldnt be surprised if the whole show floor was video'd and everyone identified already.

all CSI and shit.

i hope everyone isnt as naive as some are acting about this. vegas and eyes in the sky go hand in hand.

everyone is on camera. make no mistakes about it.

iBanker · 01-12-2005, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmiDean

I fully agree, but my understanding was what happened at Internext was more do to the use of spam email and not being able to opt out ?

Yes, that is true. But it would be sheer ignorance to think that 2257 enforcement isn't around the corner as well.

Kimmykim · 01-12-2005, 11:03 AM

This thread is really stupid.

AaronM · 01-12-2005, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Listen the AG does NOT need congressional approval for this to become law. This is fact and feel free to prove me wrong. There is no law to "pass"

Where did I ever imply other wise? My comments were directed at you because of another moronic coment that you made....Not the one about the AG.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

This thread is really stupid.

Funny how the well intentioned threads often end up that way.

iBanker · 01-12-2005, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Where did I ever imply other wise? My comments were directed at you because of another moronic coment that you made....Not the one about the AG.

Funny how the well intentioned threads often end up that way.

I was just looking for a discussion, can't we all just cuddle?

Not you Aaron, you squeeze to hard.

iBanker · 01-12-2005, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iBanker

I was just looking for a discussion, can't we all just cuddle?

Not you Aaron, you squeeze to hard.

And NOTE this....I am a super poster.....notice the orange username.

lol

wimpy · 01-12-2005, 06:10 PM

If 2257 is so powerful, they why don't they add that charge while they're fucking people over? For example, read the charges filed against Extreme Associates. They listed this and that, but no where did they list "2257 violations."

OK, so maybe EA was in compliance. But surely someone somewhere who got popped for something was not. Why no 2257 charges?

Well, whatever the reason, it's so easy to comply that only an idiot would ignore it. Just comply and don't worry.

01-11-2005, 10:24 PM	#1
iBanker Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego, moving to Portland. Posts: 2,758	2257 and why AFFILIATES should care. My As most of us already know, there were a handful of companies that were served at Internext by the Feds/DOJ (be it who it may) for allegations surrounding viotations of the CANSPAM act. Here is something on my mind, that I though I would open up for discussion. Spammers are one thing, but lets talk 2257 compliance. No person of company to my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong) or any stature in this industry has been popped for non-compliance. Imagine what happens when lets say an average pay-site based program does get nailed in non-compliance. Hypothetically speaking lets say this is the case: Company Name: Porn Company, Inc. Monthly Revenues: $1,000,000.00 Program: 20 Sites, 30 PPS, 50/50 Rev Share Affiliates: 4,000 Monthly Payout: $850,000.00 (This is all made up, so all the haters and idiots.....well, you know....read the top of this page) Any company (keyword COMPANY) running a program with even one section not in compliance could be shut down virtually overnight. This means no payouts, pissed off affiliates, and court battles that could last years. People (and by this I mean webmasters alike) are pissed now about things like iBill? Just wait until the Feds and Department of Justice get the need to scratch that itch that is 2257 compliance. Think of the utter destruction it could do to this indusrty overnight. Feds don't "ask" companies to take down the one site that was not in compliance, they shut down everything. Everything. That means bank accounts too. And if the sites aren't up, members are sure as hell gonna bail like rats off a sinking ship. just my thoughts (sorry about the spelling errors, my eyes are tired) iBanker __________________ www.JasonandAlex.com Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	also, if they try to nail you for spam, and can't, they may switch to 2257. Those fuckers will grab at straws to get their point across, and end the evil porn. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

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GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Ok with Ashcroft leaving this 2257 will probally be put on the back burner. Secondly no one has EVER been "popped" for the existing 2257 rules since they have been law, which is over a dozens years now.

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	I'm a bit confused...With all these new 2257 laws that I keep hearing about...I understand that I may be required to get copies of models ID's and such in the future. That seems like a llot of work to me and what if the model doesn't have or want to give me ther ID? I just hope these new laws don't pass.

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wimpy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 607	If 2257 is so powerful, they why don't they add that charge while they're fucking people over? For example, read the charges filed against Extreme Associates. They listed this and that, but no where did they list "2257 violations." OK, so maybe EA was in compliance. But surely someone somewhere who got popped for something was not. Why no 2257 charges? Well, whatever the reason, it's so easy to comply that only an idiot would ignore it. Just comply and don't worry. __________________ Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind." icq 8243657