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01-12-2005, 07:50 AM

Guys, I am posting this to this forum first, but will be posting on others as well.

I just got off with the florida attorney general, they have had other complaints but cant do anything till others call. So if ibill is holding your money, please call:
1-866-966-7226

They are taking information but need more people to complain. They are also giving out other places to call:

Broward County Consumer Office
954-765-5350

BBB of Broward County
561-842-1918

If you guys need to contact me, please do so.. Also, please try to keep this bumped as this is very important for ibill webmasters.

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01-12-2005, 07:51 AM

Another lo post counter bashing ibill what a surprise lol It must piss you off they are still around
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01-12-2005, 07:52 AM

think this is going to do you 1 bit of good? honestly.

want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.
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01-12-2005, 07:53 AM

Yes, they owe money.

But....

1. Will calling get me my money?
2. Will calling get me my money?
3. Will calling get me my money?

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01-12-2005, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Hinc

Yes, they owe money.

But....

1. Will calling get me my money?
2. Will calling get me my money?
3. Will calling get me my money?

Once the lawyers get involved things start to get really fucked up.
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01-12-2005, 07:55 AM

it may.. something has to be done, they owe me over 12k
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01-12-2005, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by joey3001

it may.. something has to be done, they owe me over 12k

OH stop I bet you dont even have a ibill account.
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01-12-2005, 07:55 AM

if we do nothing, they will continue this crap.. i was supposed to get paid yesterday and still have yet to get the money in my bank account.
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01-12-2005, 07:56 AM

listen, change your links to another billing company and move on for the time being.

want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.
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01-12-2005, 07:57 AM

brandon - did that.. but that doesnt mean i sit on my hands and wait... this is just info for those affected..
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01-12-2005, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by joey3001

it may.. something has to be done, they owe me over 12k

As Sleazy would say, "Your're an idiot", crawl back to under the rock...bla bla bla
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01-12-2005, 08:00 AM

fidel - go f yourself..
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01-12-2005, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by joey3001

fidel - go f yourself..

Hey, that's my line...sorry, welcome here, and

Do you really think the florida attorney general gives a shit about your 12k gained by selling smut?
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01-12-2005, 08:10 AM

Tony, whats your deal man? Why everytime someone has something to say about Ibill you're jumping all over them? Ibill has definitely fucked over quite a few people including myself. I don't get you man.
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01-12-2005, 08:11 AM

I agree, move off this Ibill thing, change links and hope in 4 years you get your $1.90.
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01-12-2005, 08:11 AM

fidel - lol... i dont actually sell smut though.. i used ibill for other things. and i dont think they care about me as an individual but me and 100 other people, they would care about.

im just trying to get people to do something instead of sitting on their hands and waiting.. either way we are gonna get f'ed but if we can bring the jerkoffs that work there down, all the better.

i am actually thinking of sueing my account rep. i have every email he ever sent and he states i will get paid and when.. i would love to do it, but im not sure if i can...
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01-12-2005, 08:12 AM

the attitude of move past it.. is what they want..
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01-12-2005, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Tony, whats your deal man? Why everytime someone has something to say about Ibill you're jumping all over them? Ibill has definitely fucked over quite a few people including myself. I don't get you man.

Because its so transparent these posts of these people that came out of nowhere. Also they are trying to pay unlike others that just disappeared is your memory that short. Maybe thats why the others just disappeared instead of trying because they knew how long webmaster loyalty lasts.
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01-12-2005, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by joey3001

the attitude of move past it.. is what they want..

I got paid yesterday, and they seem to be making progress no matter how little. I send a few (very few) signs a week, and still have a backup.
90% of my signs have been moved to ccbill 2 months ago. Sorry about your funds, but your barking up the wrong tree.
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01-12-2005, 08:21 AM

Yeah well...

I dont see how tony is getting THIS positive about the situation - cant really find any good reasons to...on the other hand, declaring it all dead and gone is probably/hopefully to soon, although it aint looking good. There´s still room for hopes on behalf of ibill and our cash...and i dont see how bringing on attorney generals would help. What could possibly be obtained? (except maybe the satisfaction of winning/getting them declared bankrupt/sending someone off to do time???)

Guess...in lack of better options, i keep waiting...

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01-12-2005, 08:23 AM

fidel - great, i was supposed to get paid but was not paid.. i called and they said it could take up to 48 hours to clear my bank, which is bs..
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01-12-2005, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by DeadFidel

I got paid yesterday, and they seem to be making progress no matter how little. I send a few (very few) signs a week, and still have a backup.
90% of my signs have been moved to ccbill 2 months ago. Sorry about your funds, but your barking up the wrong tree.

My point exactly. You will not get paid unless you continue doing business with them. Companies cannot force you to do business with them by withholding funds. This is reason enough to file a complaint with the AG.
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01-12-2005, 08:32 AM

You can always report them to these agencie's.

They take a while to get to your complaints but it may be the only avenue since they seem to be so arrogant about what they owe to webmasters.

http://www.ftc.gov
PH: Phone complaint center 1-877-382-4357

IFCC: http://www.ifccfbi.gov [on line submittle only]

Also file a complaint with the local FBI in the town they are located in.
I think with all the people that are owed these agencies will take note and maybe an investigation could be imminate.

Pursueing a lawsuit will cost you ALOT more than is already owed to you or others and this is probably the reason they are acting the way they are. They know you wont sue so you are stuck with the catch22 situation.

They wont act so arrogant with the agencies listed above. I don't use ibill so I don't know the full story...execpt that alot of people are being misled with promises of owed money and thats not right.

Good luck to all that are owed money.
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01-12-2005, 08:35 AM

Joey3001, who did you speak to at the Florida Attorney Generals office?
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01-12-2005, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by joey3001

fidel - great, i was supposed to get paid but was not paid.. i called and they said it could take up to 48 hours to clear my bank, which is bs..

You seem to be a nice person that just wants the monies due them. The stance here, for those who are hanging on to hope, is a "wait and see" one.
Funds prior to Sept, are mostly written off as a loss with the exeption of a come back on ibills part. I wish you the best.
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01-12-2005, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by DeadFidel

You seem to be a nice person that just wants the monies due them. The stance here, for those who are hanging on to hope, is a "wait and see" one.
Funds prior to Sept, are mostly written off as a loss with the exeption of a come back on ibills part. I wish you the best.

I disagree with this wait and see attitude. Unless they are forced to pay they will think they can get away with this shit. Ibill is a public company and an investigation by any government agency is the last thing they want and it may be what it takes to light a fire under their ass. If their management has been found to negligent in their dealings then they have to deal with lawsuits from their shareholders. I say its time to fire a few shots across their bow and let them know we're not fucking around anymore.

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01-12-2005, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

I disagree with this wait and see attitude. Unless they are forced to pay they will think they can get away with this shit. Ibill is a public company and an investigation by any government agency is the last thing they want and it may be what it takes to light a fire under their ass. If their management has been found to negligent in their dealings then they have to deal with lawsuits from their shareholders. I say its time to fire a few shots across their bow and let them know we're not fucking around anymore.

You cannot force someone to pay you what they don't have. If they go under you will see zero. If they chapter 11 you may see 10-15 cents on the dollar, and that's IF you file. Your attitude is wishful thinking at best.
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01-12-2005, 09:04 AM

If they are trying to pay, which seems to be the case. Then getting them more problems wont help you get paid but is just as likely to hinder you. Especially if they dont have the money. If they dont have it whatever you do meens you wont get it unfortunately

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01-12-2005, 09:33 AM

man o man the trolls are really out today.
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01-12-2005, 09:36 AM

Our only bet is that they muddle through the crisis....

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01-12-2005, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

I disagree with this wait and see attitude. Unless they are forced to pay they will think they can get away with this shit. Ibill is a public company and an investigation by any government agency is the last thing they want and it may be what it takes to light a fire under their ass. If their management has been found to negligent in their dealings then they have to deal with lawsuits from their shareholders. I say its time to fire a few shots across their bow and let them know we're not fucking around anymore.

Shit I bet the FTC has all kinds of email's on this. Even if ibill paid every penny, last week... the FTC will be knocking on or down there door.. Might take them awhile.. but you can bank on it they will be there.. After all ibill does deal in PORN

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01-12-2005, 09:48 AM

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man o man the trolls are really out today.

This thread seems to be 50-50. Very curious to which side of the scope you stand with.
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01-12-2005, 09:53 AM

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01-12-2005, 10:06 AM

They owe me more than 12k ... but i am not going to call the attorney general unless it is a last resort... You think you have been waiting long for your money now?
just wait until you have to see how long it takes for a judge to get you just part of the money you are owed.. if anything at all
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01-12-2005, 10:09 AM

well it looks like others did not get the wire transfer today or yesterday of the money they promised..
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01-12-2005, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by killshot

They owe me more than 12k ... but i am not going to call the attorney general unless it is a last resort... You think you have been waiting long for your money now?
just wait until you have to see how long it takes for a judge to get you just part of the money you are owed.. if anything at all

Thank you , I will say it again I would bet dollars to donuts joey doesnt have a ibill account.
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01-12-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by joey3001

fidel - great, i was supposed to get paid but was not paid.. i called and they said it could take up to 48 hours to clear my bank, which is bs..

its not bs...its the way it is. get over it.

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01-12-2005, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by killshot

They owe me more than 12k ... but i am not going to call the attorney general unless it is a last resort... You think you have been waiting long for your money now?
just wait until you have to see how long it takes for a judge to get you just part of the money you are owed.. if anything at all

and also..just think about how much money it will cost to take ibill to court to get your money. it may end up costing you more than you are owed.

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01-12-2005, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by DeadFidel

This thread seems to be 50-50. Very curious to which side of the scope you stand with.

I think our only hope is to pray they pull through and continue making payments. And I dont think all the bashing or legal manuevers helps any. Thats would be my

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01-12-2005, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by tony404

Because its so transparent these posts of these people that came out of nowhere. Also they are trying to pay unlike others that just disappeared is your memory that short. Maybe thats why the others just disappeared instead of trying because they knew how long webmaster loyalty lasts.

i don't think that there people just suddenly "came out of nowhere", we've seen this very thing happen before here on GFY Tony... remember way back in Oct of '02, when the great VISA scare began? GFY was suddenly *flooded* w/ new, low post-count users, all wondering about their money and continued collection thereof... exact same thing when GloBill fled w/ the cash, lots of newish users posting often and vehemently about their owed funds...

i think when people suddenly are getting screwed or worried about their money, a lot of them go from silent lurkers to vocal questioners here, no surprise there... just look at my signup date, look familiar? the VISA scare is what had me find my way to GFY the first time as well..

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01-12-2005, 12:31 PM

Tony404:

Another lo post counter bashing ibill what a surprise lol It must piss you off they are still around

With all due respect Tony - the world of webmastering does not revolve around a post count on GFY - It never ever did.

The simple fact of life is that there are FAR more webmasters earning from relatively small amounts to more higher values then ever have posted on GFY.

Apart from a few that do post - the vast majority I know of have never posted on GFY and rarely, if ever, even looked at GFY in the time they have been operating - and that has been back to 1995-96 in several instances.

None of these people are the slightest bit interested in your constant theme of "It must piss you off they are still around. The only people to gain from the demise of iBill would be Gallanis and associates. If you know of any others or have any facts, - why don't you say??

Finally... Why do you assume others will get off their asses and whine about not being paid by iBill unless they do have an account at iBill? Rest assured, there are more unpaid webmasters out there than ever there was ever any "blind posters" on GFY.

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01-12-2005, 12:36 PM

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Tony404:

With all due respect Tony - the world of webmastering does not revolve around a post count on GFY - It never ever did.

The simple fact of life is that there are FAR more webmasters earning from relatively small amounts to more higher values then ever have posted on GFY.

Apart from a few that do post - the vast majority I know of have never posted on GFY and rarely, if ever, even looked at GFY in the time they have been operating - and that has been back to 1995-96 in several instances.

None of these people are the slightest bit interested in your constant theme of "It must piss you off they are still around. The only people to gain from the demise of iBill would be Gallanis and associates. If you know of any others or have any facts, - why don't you say??

Finally... Why do you assume others will get off their asses and whine about not being paid by iBill unless they do have an account at iBill? Rest assured, there are more unpaid webmasters out there than ever there was ever any "blind posters" on GFY.

The only people that benefit from ibill demise is Gallanis and Assocs? Your kidding right? Sit down in a quiet place think about that again.
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01-12-2005, 12:47 PM

Tony404:

The only people that benefit from ibill demise is Gallanis and Assocs? Your kidding right? Sit down in a quiet place think about that again.

I don't have a quiet place to sit and think - I just deal in facts which are mainly public record, some background and the fact that iBill lie, avoid stating facts and owe funds.

The day a liquidator steps in there is the day everything is sealed. From even the little I know, there is also a fair prospect of opening up the playing field to other related businesses and an investigation into the history of iBill.

During that time, no one will be getting paid and all assets with eventually be split up and apportioned among the creditors.

If you are thinking of iBill competitors - they did not lie and do not avoid paying their clients. iBill did.

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01-12-2005, 12:51 PM

Hey Tony I assume you have a ibill account?

What sites do you own? other than 2257update?

Are you a lawyer?

You sound like a debunker that discredits someone everytime they post against ibill I notice that you post on every board imediatally when there is a ibill thread.

Who do you work for? I assume Ibill.

Do you think you can save Ibill by posting to gofuckyourself? Your repeated line about low post counts is getting old man better think up something new.

But DONT ANYONE LISTEN TO ME I HAVE LOW A LOW POST COUNT. Shit...

Hey Tony they have low post counts because their trying to make sales and dont have time like you to waste 8 hours a day reading forums and posting.

Most likely Tony's comeback.... " Well than why are you posting?"

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01-12-2005, 12:52 PM

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Tony404:

I don't have a quiet place to sit and think - I just deal in facts which are mainly public record, some background and the fact that iBill lie, avoid stating facts and owe funds.

The day a liquidator steps in there is the day everything is sealed. From even the little I know, there is also a fair prospect of opening up the playing field to other related businesses and an investigation into the history of iBill.

During that time, no one will be getting paid and all assets with eventually be split up and apportioned among the creditors.

If you are thinking of iBill competitors - they did not lie and do not avoid paying their clients. iBill did.

Avoid paying clients they didnt have the money, now they are trying to correct that. Is it more fun to focus on the negative and what does not lying and paying their clients have to do with benefiting from ibill demise. Business 101 3 competitors goes to two competitors the two left standing benefit.
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01-12-2005, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Scottybunky

Hey Tony I assume you have a ibill account?

What sites do you own? other than 2257update?

Are you a lawyer?

You sound like a debunker that discredits someone everytime they post against ibill I notice that you post on every board imediatally when there is a ibill thread.

Who do you work for? I assume Ibill.

Do you think you can save Ibill by posting to gofuckyourself? Your repeated line about low post counts is getting old man better think up something new.

But DONT ANYONE LISTEN TO ME I HAVE LOW A LOW POST COUNT. Shit...

Hey Tony they have low post counts because their trying to make sales and dont have time like you to waste 8 hours a day reading forums and posting.

Most likely Tony's comeback.... " Well than why are you posting?"

I dont work for ibill, I am owed money by ibill . Being negative and crying its not fair is not going to get me paid faster. So I hope for the best so I can get paid. Also maybe its because Im older then most here. I know alittle more about business. Once the lawyers get involved I know no one wins. If your so busy making money what would posting here achieve? They arent keeping track of who posts and who doesnt. Im the most positive and Im waiting for my wire like everyone else.
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01-12-2005, 01:17 PM

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Avoid paying clients they didnt have the money, now they are trying to correct that. Is it more fun to focus on the negative and what does not lying and paying their clients have to do with benefiting from ibill demise. Business 101 3 competitors goes to two competitors the two left standing benefit.

The last bit first... Agree it is not good to have little competition in the market and one less means the leaning towards a monopoly. This is currently the subject of a federal investigation.

Mmmm.. I'll choose my words carefully on the rest :-)

What you have is a business that was already in debt before any "company restructing" or shareholder shuffling.

The new principals were not of a background that made others comfortable and we saw the removal, tho pre warned, of the only transacting bank in the US, partly because, in the First Data instance, the bank simply did not trust the iBill principals with access to credit card data on millions of people.

This was a serious error of judgement to have only one bank in the US. This is entirely iBill's problem - they caused it my placing themselves in this position.

I really don't care when iBill claim to have no money - that is their problem. Gallais and co did buy the company for little hard cash and knowing of it's indebtedness. Any rational person knows that many millions need to be injected into iBill - Gallanis did not do this, but instead, between the ongoing debt and the withdrawal of First Data, - just ignore it and stuff a few million in to keep the operation afloat and just pass the buck on to webmasters and not pay them.

Overall.. this is just gross financial irresponsibility and, forgetting all the petty lies and deceit, this is a company that needs not only closing down, but criminal charges laid against, at least, the prime officers.

As an aside, I have had very reliable feedback from two directors of banks and they have no doubts on the above nor would they even risk any of their bank funds with this company, especially with the current management in place. It is clear First Data had very good reasons for withdrawing.

Hate to say it, I am not interested in seeing iBill cease, but each day that passes, I see little reason why they need to be a blot on the landscape.

It is a matter of pay ALL webmasters in FULL .. like now, - or cease to operate. This will not be within iBill's control shortly, hence the need to act.

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01-12-2005, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by chupacabra

i don't think that there people just suddenly "came out of nowhere", we've seen this very thing happen before here on GFY Tony... remember way back in Oct of '02, when the great VISA scare began? GFY was suddenly *flooded* w/ new, low post-count users, all wondering about their money and continued collection thereof... exact same thing when GloBill fled w/ the cash, lots of newish users posting often and vehemently about their owed funds...

i think when people suddenly are getting screwed or worried about their money, a lot of them go from silent lurkers to vocal questioners here, no surprise there... just look at my signup date, look familiar? the VISA scare is what had me find my way to GFY the first time as well..

Yep, I found this place when looking for a webmaster community to see how others are handleing the situation

But, i took the time to make my first post an introduction
I listed my background, websites, put in a plug for spookycash recieved a nice warm welcome and "go fuck yourself" from many nice people.

And then I went for the ibill thread, as well as participated in other unrelated threads...
I'm not saying everyone should have to list their credentials before posting here. But if you skip the introduction, then all people have to go on is post count.
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tony286

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01-12-2005, 01:18 PM

Im not talking on these threads anymore its getting boring. I hope they pull thru so I get my money and more competition is better then less and thats all I have to say.
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Scottybunky

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01-12-2005, 01:45 PM

"So I hope for the best so I can get paid. Also maybe its because Im older then most here. I know alittle more about business."

Please are you saying you know more than me about buisness? You dont even know who I am... Stop patting yourself on the back...

Whats your paysites?

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