Happypeekers:

Nice one! :winkwink:

BUT.... bank it first.. quickly... and make sure it clears! :-)

I think most don't get this..

"Am I pissed about what happened? Of course, everyone in their right mind is. You do know they can declare bankruptcy and you don't get a penny of your money right? What will your landlord think of that?"

Quote above Scardog

Scardog how much money are you owed? $200,000 US or more?

Scardog "You do know they can declare bankruptcy and you don't get a penny of your money right?"

Wrong

Bankrupcy wont save them from paying. They will pay.

PS I dont need your advisement on what to do with my buisness.

Im owed a ton more than one check for November 15th-30th sales.

Scardog Did you listen to the confrence call?

And Im not going to forget about what was said in the confrence call and what they said in regards to the 12 month payments with 6% intrest that we heard nothing new on as of yet. Had I gotten the promisary letters and my first check for September and October 2004 + reserves that they had promised to have in November than it chnaged to December and now we hear nothing about.

You are owed $200,000+ and you have a landlord?

You can scream all you want about Ibill will pay, Ibill will pay. I am happy I got my check today, are you? No? That's wierd. Will I be angry if I don't get the 10s of thousands they owe me (I am the landlord)? Yes.

Let's look at the history of troubled 3rd party billers. Did they all pay? If they did then I suppose I should be screaming too. I think I will consider any money I get from a company that everyone has already counted out, pennies from heaven. If they don't pay me, then I will let my attorney do my whining.

No you are wrong if they go into bankruptcy , you will get 5 cents on the dollar. Talk to the globil people who get the notices from the bankruptcy court they arent getting shit.
Also ask them how they would of felt if they had to wait for a couple of months for their money instead of getting nothing. Also just because its said on a board doesnt mean its true. How do you know others companies got paid weekly? Do you work in accounting for those companies? Just because someone who could have a agenda says it on board doesnt make it gospel. Also when your in business for yourself you should have at least 3 months of living expenses if not more. Any of these processors could fall and if you think the first thing on their minds will be paying you .Your fooling yourself. Compared to others that have fallen ibill is trying to get out of this hole . Im owed just like everyone else in fact this happened at the same time we were moving into a office and buying our first house. Talk about fucking scary, but I believe if I support ibill I believe it increases my chances of getting paid , call me silly.On the other hand bitching and spreading stories and rumors I have heard and threats of lawyers I havent seen it speeding up anyones payout. .

The landlord is a figure of speech... And besides does anyone here rent office space? I guess if you do and make over $200,000 grand you must be poor according to scardog

Nobody cares when you cant pay thats the bottom line they want their money. Whether it be a landlord or a server company.

"then I will let my attorney do my whining." Scardog

I guess if anyone here has a complaint or is sore at ibill than we must be a whiner.

Please everyone shutup scardog is happy dont want to spoil his day.

I dont have time to go back and fourth with you here so go ahead with you comeback line.

Im glad that your happy!:) If you read my post in regards to you responce I said

"Dont get me wrong Im glad that the money is coming rather than to get none. Ibill knows they need to pay people to avoid legal action from 100's of webmasters its a good idea that they pay"

"but I believe if I support ibill I believe it increases my chances of getting paid , call my silly.On the other hand bitching and spreading stories and rumors I have heard and threats of lawyers I havent seen it speeding up anyones payout"

I hope your not saying that Im spreading rumors... is it a rumor that the promisary notes have not been signed? Is it a rumor that I have not been paid? Did you get paid on time? Sounds to me like you havent.

You can support ibill by repling to each message I guess I dont see how that will give them money. Im glad your postivie thinker .... so am I. At the same time I base my beliefs on reality. And the reality is Im getting a check tommorrow according to cmi hip hip hooray! way to go ibill! Does that make you guys feel better

Im not saying your spreading anything, I just find it interesting all these people with very very lo posts counts came out of the wood work to bash ibill.I find interesting.

Here is my comback. If you are so confident Ibill will pay, then why so down ?

I have been holding my breath hoping to get paid. When they write me a check, I am one step closer to getting my money without a lawyer. My point is, let's take a moment, be happy we got a check. Just a moment, that's all.
There is plenty of things in life that are shitty, and if that's what you focus on, then that is your choice. The Ibill situation ranks way up on the shitty scale, but I am past that point. You have the right not to be. Now, I am going to spend the money I got from Ibill.

You aren't a whiner, I guess I am just not as confident as you that Ibill will pay me all they owe me, but I am hopeful. Can I get an amen?

amen to scardog

to Tony I have low post count cause I dont normally waste my time jibber jabbering on Gofuckyourself.com

Then why waste it now what has this accomplished?

Tony404:

Maybe Scotty is just expressing himself on a webmaster board - sounds the most relevant place.

On post counts.. they really mean nothing. The adult webmaster world does not revolve around boards and, off the top of my head... most webmasters I know of never have posted here and are most unlikely to post here.

However, they still are owed sums of money by iBill ranging from relatively small amounts to more substantial values. A few have been iBill clients almost since iBill started trading and know exactly what iBill has been like on the ups and downs of their history - they have seen both the sweet and the sour. The latter stand to lose a lot of recurring billing trapped with iBill.

Again.. as probably with most webmasters, few are interested in seeing the demise of iBill. They just want paid for the business they have worked for - not exactly an unreasonable request :-)

I'm not here bashing ibill but I do have an interest in what is said around here about the ibill situation. I'm usually not one to post to boards for the same reason as Scottybunky states...... I've been *literally* online since Early Feb of 1997 and I don't have a lot of posts either. Low posts do not mean that you don't have a say on this board or that you can't gripe because a merchant account hasn't paid you. I was hit so hard back when inetcharge went under that I loaded up in a uhaul and hoped I could borrow enough for a new place to live..... most don't even remember them and they STILL owe me $10s. We are all equal on this board when it comes to topics..... I don't feel that because you have a billion posts you have something better to say or are more educated about something then a person with 15 posts. Just my 2 cents.

*Krystal*

I bill will be next to go down if they keep scamming people.

Myself....

They owe me for 4 paysites ... for some months ... and I´d like them to "SHOW ME THE MONEY"...but hey - if some CCbilling company is hiring, i could sure use the cash these days (since the content, server etc costs are the same, whereas the income has vanished in the ibill rubble)

Banks are open in eastern and central time zones... anyone get their wire?
My bank is in the midwest and i'm not seeing anything yet...

Regarding this post count issue, I totally agree a high post count doesnt mean shit but I do think a low post count can be a strong indicator of a troll.

And I also think what Tony was trying to say is, it sure seems like there are alot of ibill bashers around here that could very well have alterior motives, such as working for another processor or someone with something to gain if ibill fails.

Alot of the bashing on ibill around here has been pretty extreme and While I understand and share their frustration I have also questioned some of the motives behind it. Anyone who has monies with ibill certainly has every right to be pissed and feel lied to etc. But does dragging them into the mud and spreading false rumours about them help any of us get paid?

:thumbsup So true..i belive everyone has a right to there own opinion. I can relate to pretty much what EVERYONE has posted in this thread...we all have different ways of reacting and dealing with things like the ibill payment situation....and until you put yourself in somonelses shoes its hard somtines to understand why they feel the way they do.
I know Ibill sent me a check for 4 years straight with really no problems at all....that im definitly gratefull for!! and i KNOW for a fact alot of other people got nice beefy checks from Ibill too...im not saying WE didnt earn our money but i am going to say.this: .If your owed money from ibill for your re-curring membership website ...you need to think back in time to when you first found out about automatic re-bills and how they worked .and what your intial reaction and thoughts were? ..Pardon the pun but lets not "FORGET "where a majority of these rebills come from :winkwink:For any of us to go acting high and mighty about buissnes ethics and the "right thing to do" is a bit hippocritical ..and im sure you can view your own customer service emails for proof of that.. If i can get back what they owe me ...wether it comes from first data..or ibill themself or both i would be estatic...the 6% interest.....great if thats tossed in too ..but its no biggy ..If Ibill can get back to a regular payment schedule by mid-febuary and pay me what they owe me in missed payments and reserves in a reasonable amount of time..i will be able to put these last few months behind me and cross my fingers that i can continue to make a substanial living by re-billing customers without new regulations putting eveything to an end....Nothing lasts forever and to think this gravy train will ..wether you use ibill or any other processor....is foolish to say the least :2 cents:

All I can do is pray http://www.godisbrazilian.com/jer/pray.gif

CURIOUS - of those of you who use 3rd party processors how much do you process each month in sales $$$?

If you have the volume why wouldn't you get your own direct merchant account? I understand this does not mean your account couldn't possibly go away (Cardservice and FDMS last year) but at least you have more direct contact with the processing company who controls your world.

I work in the transaction processing business and work really like to hear what you think about your own account vs. 3rd party.

Steve

Thank you someone understands me.

HMS - True, it´d be better, but it aint exactly easy finding one...specially if you´re not processing enourmous volumes...and then, some of the "merch solutions"-like suspect setups also seem just as shaky as 3td party....

TRUE - and even the acquires who are established can whack off an entire industry segment at the drop of a hat. Exactly what happened with the Card Service International situation last year. When CSI announced the closure of their adult portfolio I was overwhelmed with merchants looking for a solution. We more than trippled our adult portfolio in less than 60 days. We increased our adult processing dollars so quickly and to such a large amount that Visa stepped in and stop us from taking any more. They stated that we "exceeded the maximum allowable ratio of adult to non-adult transactions" Although from a different perspective, we at the bank get just as frustrated with the ever changing regulations by V/MC.

Not to turn this into a sales thread, but as our non adult portfolio grows and lowers the "ratio" Visa is measuring us by, we are looking to bring on more adult processing dollars in March or April. Again with the changing requirements by V/MC we have had to limit the account types that we can board during the period Visa allows us to. If anyone out there meets the following email me and I will add you to an email list I have going to notify folks when these accounts are available.

-2 years in business
-$100K in processing or more now (direct account, 3rd party, or combination of)
-ChargeBacks under 1%

WE WANT TO GROW OUR ADULT PROCESSING PORTFOLIO and as soon as Visa allows us to we most certainly will.

Steve Kimberling, AVP
Humboldt Merchant Services
877-635-3339
[email protected]

hope all the us webmasters are getting the checks