a hundy pissed of adult peeps

of course they are. its money they arent making. it is the due diligence of these huge corporations that is really behind getting rid of as many revenue angles as possible. more money for them. watch the involvement of these big companies in adult over the next 10 years. they know how much money is here to be made.

the more people they get rid of the better. do you see any adult companies lobbying anyone in washington?

the big picture is going to look like the one where the bird is trying to swallow the frog, but the frog's got his hands clamped around the birds neck.

chip away little by little with laws designed to help "control" these nasty pornographers. the spam thing isnt the end. big business wants their internet back and the money that goes with it. i can only imagine the lobbying going on in washington.

TRAFFIC people. TRAFFIC.

the big companies already command millions upon millions of eyeballs everyday. this biz is going to get alot more attention from higher ups. not only feds. just my litle 2 cents. but what do i know?

... very interesting.

hahahahahahahahah fuck spammers!

about time too

you'd be surprised at how many do terminate but not near enough...... Think the ones that don't might re-think there business plan... like in FAST

you got's 2 be fucking 100% nuts to use a Earthlink or AOL proxie... But guess what.. got spammers that do it.

I hope (legal) clients of Reflected are not going to be troubled by this

Was the host (Reflected) a part of the company that was mailing or were they just hosting the offending sites?

do you think you could trust'em now. :1orglaugh

Almost nobody spams a sponsor without prior agreement. I'm confident signup4cash was using opt-out for their mailings, I don't know about the explicit tag. I know also they were running their own double optin lists. You'll be surprised to see how many US based sponsors don't follow CAN SPAM. Many more lawsuits will follow in 2005. If you see FTC going after signup4cash imagine what will happen to those that don't follow shit, use proxies and harvest emails.

Better advice - Go to conventions, but don't break the law.

We should expect to see the FTC go after master and expert spammer Doctor Dre.

Maybe they will serve him at his next concert. :winkwink:


I wonder where dre went - havent seen him posting here for a while

There is too many honest ways on the net to make money then to risk it by doing illegal shit

usually this happens as you are being servered, your wife's assests, your kids assest's, anyones assests that they think you my have your hands in.

Don't know about this case but if not they are very lucky

He's a big fish thats for sure... Certainly at the top of their list...

Some people are just too damned stupid to grasp this simple concept.

Its great to see a crackdown on spammers, but I'm saying its the begining of the end when it comes to this industry. If the Neocon Republicans have their way, there will be no more porn, there will only be one religion, and you are either for them or against them.

sorry but i think you are wrong on this.. I was getting a ton of porn spam, it's just about stopped now, but because of something I did 2 stop it. Granted the spammers did get termed... and I sure the fuck did not opt-in 2 any list

It wasnt the Reflected (reflected.net) that we know here, just a group of spammers operating under the name Reflected out of NV.

never mind

Pretty sure you are wrong there, it's the same company (reflected.net), but its been under new management recently, dosen't mean they were clean before the management change.. :2 cents:

Are you still pimpin with that finely crafted goblet of yours?

I believe it was a limited edition Burger King Lord of the Rings cup.

:1orglaugh

Spamming is for bottom feeders.... we need to get rid of it in order to keep this industry somewhat reputable. I think this is a step in the right direction, programs need to let their affiliates know that spam will not be tolerated.

Check out www.reflected.net

"01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. "

Thats their side of things...

Jon

Reflected Networks was owned by Dustin Hamilton, same as the owner of the other companies named in the suit. The company, with Phil Dorff was in Chicago. Although they recently sold the company, Dustin and Phil were working together to clear off their servers of any suspect content. They were involved with and were aware of what was going on.

Earthlink and AOL go after spammers who send email into their systems (ie. [email protected])

If they did use earthlink resources (ie. proxies running on their network), then they would also get nailed for "digital trespassing" and other creative charges that are already on the books. Using telephone wires going across state lines is how it easily becomes a federal offense.


Fight the War Games!

Nah that's not me but even if it was, it's kinda sad you still remember that :321GFY

Maybe next time you can post another useless comment, or two...



:1orglaugh

Looks like reflected.net is good to go then :thumbsup

don't forget the content providers....
re-read your aiding an abetting laws...

this is why I have turned down some very large mailers...if they can't guarantee can-spam compliance...I can't guarantee they'll be paid...

it's not about how I feel about mailers as much as how I feel about not having feds breaking down my door...

the feds will try whatever way they can to thin the herd...in this case, they apparently used can-spam...next time it'll be 2257, then models coming forward alledging they were forced to shoot porn...

I saw it in the telemarketing industry and it's going to happen in this industry...the only reason there weren't more arrests and such is September 11th and the war in Iraq was distracting everyone's attention...now we have a President in an unpopular war and other problems brewing and this is a nice diversion...

unsolicted advice to everyone: watch your shit very closely...use some of that money to hire good attorneys rather than living like rockstars...

Lots of the people charged were on spamhaus for awhile now..

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094

you act like crack dealers never get arrested, when they do get arrested theres always more to take their place. you break the law you risk getting arrested, no matter what you do.

Hmm this is of one of the people charged.


http://tinyurl.com/4mx3c

yep keep it all on the down low... looks like it's getting close to time to relocate out of the US. Fucking Nazi pecker head in office..

hmm never noticed this guy..

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/member.php?u=5885

Is mentioned in the charges

so reflected.net is reflected networks in the lawsuit?

this is getting confusing

"01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. "

Jon

Glad i removed my links when the first thread was created.

yes :thumbsup