CDSmith

Just got through submitting my latest galleries to about 120 tgp's (each) over the course of about 4 days, and I thought I'd share my findings with you, maybe get some of your opinions. Before I get into it, I must point out a few things. I've submitted galleries on free and paid hosting, so my results include results for both. Also, I notice that a few TGP's are still continuing to blacklist smutserver.com, utterly ridiculous of you. Get with the times people, smutserver is fast, clean with small headers/footers, and they don't redirect 404 at all. If you run a tgp and have smutserver on your blacklist, please consider un-banning them, because you are not only misssing out on some of the best galleries ever made, but you are missing out on one of the best freehosts in the industry.

Okay, on to the good stuff. I submitted recips and also a clean version of the gallery. I used waycool at porncity as well, and found many tgp's listed that are now "recip only", and quite a few that no longer accept submisstions at all. Many submission pages are no longer even there.

Getting accepted: I've submitted to worldsex (has smutserver on blacklist), they rejected my ultra-clean galleries on my own domain. I have no idea why. Here's one example of what I submitted to them (paid host): http://www.sunsetbeachbabes.com/ok/nina_gabby1c.html
...and nothing. This gallery has 2 other recips, 15 pics, 1 banner ad, and 2 small text links. What's the fucking problem worldsux?

My latest galleries are also not getting listed at ampland, shemp, slamdonkey, adult buffet, snakesworld or JJJ's for some reason. Here's an example of a recent submission (freehosted): http://www8.smutserver.com/babes/sun...agan/007s.html
...again, this gallery has 25 SERIES pics, is clean and fast-loading, minimal advertising, and well-designed. WHAT THE FUK IS THE PROBLEMO PEOPLE?? My hard work is being ignored by you and I want to know why. I'm talking 20 to 50 good clean galleries that INCLUDE YOUR RECIP for fuck sakes.

Tgp's that have listed me lately include the hun, easypic, gregpix, richardsrealm, bloated goat, jerkoffhere, and quite a few others too. Here's another sample of a successful gallery to these ones (freehosted): http://www8.smutserver.com/babes/sun...ymax/007b.html

I know my galleries are top quality, both for design, minimal ads & cleanliness, quality of thumb images, fast loading pics, and overall appeal to surfers. I'm getting frustrated by some of these big tgp's that keep passing my galleries up for this type of shit here ---> http://www.excitd.com/sexyteen/index.html
Is this a joke? On the above gallery (accepted and listed on worldsex right now) there are 10 thumbs only, 3 banners and extra text links to sponsors, plus one of the images is connected to a dialer, and at least 2 of the thumbs also contain popups in the link to them. The last thumb has muliple popups. Is this fair? Worldsex, quit running your site like idiots.

And in case anyone's wondering, yes I do run my own tgp, and I list anyone that has good galleries, period. (although I haven't been able to go through my submissions lately, but rest assured I'll get to you if you submitted).

I'm sure I'll write more soon here, because I have new galleries in the hopper for all this week. Please share your own submission results here if you feel anything like I do right now. Thanks.
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Theo

nice galleries,ultra clean ones

ldinternet

Simple solution

Use terra.es

Seriously though, that listing thing is a joke. Though AL~4A doesn't accept freehosts, I'm sure that WorldSex is selling a considerable amount of daily listings. I've been unable to get listed their for months (new webmaster... huh) even with galleries using ONE SIZE THREE text link. Non-capitalized too!

Ah, fuck it. TGP traffic kinda sucks, move onto something better

the New Shemp

Hi CD,

you are right. I did have smutserver on the blacklist. We had a bunch of cheaters using them. Galleries would change to pop up hell, shortly after being listed, so I banned the whole domain. I know I have listed your own domain galleries before, although, with over 1200 daily submits now, I cant run it each time you submit.

I can't speak for Worldsex, but I would assume the gallery that is redirecting thumbs, was changed after it was posted.

regards,

shemp

quiet

you've got to pay to be listed consistently on worldsex since cor sold it. they don't have any trouble selling listings, so i wouldn't say they are running their site 'like idiots'.

Instant

I got listed 5th on worldsex a few days ago, you just gotta know the right time to post :-)

CDSmith

Then wny have a submission page at all? If they are selling all their spots, why not just delete the submit page all together?? I'm sorry, but for listing crap and rejecting the good galleries like mine they ARE running their site like idiots. End of story.

Shemp, I'm going back over the past 2 months of my submissions, and I've not been listed on shemp at all. I emailed someone there just over 3 months ago about why I'm not getting listed, but no reply yet. I'd like to work something out with you, because I see a lot of the big TGP'ers saying they are sick of cheaters etc, and here I am... I've never changed a page after being accepted, my galleries are all top notch, and I'm RELIABLE as fuck. As far as submitters go, I'm your best friend in the biz bro. I'd like to see a few more of my submissions get accepted, and I'm willing to make changes to my work to do so. (if needed).
Thanks for responding.
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Ron2k1

I haven't ever understand the tgp industry.

Recently I was amazed about this email I got from worldsex.com

>Hi ron,
>
>I am sorry, but your gallery:
>http://www.XXXXXX.com/xxx.htm submitted on >Oct X was declined for the following reason(s):

>Thumbs are of a bad quality

>If you correct the problem you can submit >your gallery again for a possible listing.

>Have a nice day,
>worldsex.com

So I made the thumbnails bigger and I submitted the gallery once again

And they freakin listed it 3 days later!

So what's my prob? well actually nothing but I don't understand those guys at worldsex.com They are getting thousands of submissions then why the hell are they sending me that email? And next time you don't hear anything from them.

another strange one:
About 1.5 month ago I decided to make a gallery on a freehost bestsexhost with a toons ARS banner with FREE ARS toon content (must have been used many times allready).
I did not expect to be listed at worldsex.com of course,but they fucking listed me with free ARS toon content!

Sometimes I get listed at the Hun but noone other tgp lists me and next time everybody lists me except the Hun.

I will never understand these TGP people

quiet

you're right, it's all in the timing

[This message has been edited by quiet (edited 10-28-2001).]

tradermcduck

When I see galleries http://www.sunsetbeachbabes.com/ok/nina_gabby1c.html like yours CDSmith I understand why sign ups go down! Why should a surfer sign up when he can get such pics for free?!

Ron2k1

Even though I don't understand those people at worldsex.com at least I can tel you they don't sell all their spots. (Actually I think they don't sell any spot at all, why should they?)

I have been listed about 3 times in the last 5 weeks

From the other big brother the hun I know he got one paid gallery every day on his list from some movie site

Theo

my galleries have been listed in the past everywhere except ampland and al4a. The amount of submissions lately is so big that it's hard to get listed. When a friend tells me "i sent you a movie gallery..." and he expects to get listed, i tell him: send it again through icq!
Concerning smutserver, a period in the past was very slow,but now it's very good. I don't find it right new shemp to blacklist the no1 freehost because of cheaters.

About two months ago, one of the largest movieposts blacklisted the free host i used by accident believing it redirects traffic. I talked to him and I explained his confusion because of the similar freehost names. He unbanned the freehost. A week later, i made a mistake and i submitted with some of the thumbs wrongly linked having as result to lead to 404. The webmaster mailed me telling me that's is it. I re-ban the freehost find another one to use. I apologised to him telling that it was my mistake and not of the freehost, so he should blacklist me instead. He denied and he told me to use another and he would top list my galleries again.
I never submitted him any gallery although i had sure sales.

Ron2k1

Well, I was thinking something similair. Probably that gallery was declined so much because of too high quality pics??

whatever we will never know the answer

Instant

worldsex declines alot of galleries because of overused content. so just cause its super clean wont guarantee you a listing.

does anyone know what gallerie sposts they sell? id have thought the 5th gallerie would be a paid spot

quiet

they sell #1 and 2-5 spots on all 3 columns. 6-15 on left column only.

Instant

then howcome i got listed 5th down on the left column??? i didnt pay!!??

i do like it that u can submit 2 gallerie a day

jimmyf

Ron2k1

I'll have to second that (I will never understand these TGP people).

I use to get list on JJJ and thehun often,
then all of a sudden NO more. I also make
nice gallery's and have never changed any
to redirect or any of the stuff the cheaters do.

Now I know am an asshole and most people do not need another one (asshole), but the only time I was told
anything was by thehun and I corrected it and that was once.

So I just quit submitting to them. As far as am concerned it's there loss, because I get most of my traffic to my
regular site's from
search engine's and put a link to any new gallery on all of my main page's, so there
for the TPG was getting search engine traffic from me.

In my book 10 hit's from search engines is worth more than 10k of TGP traffic or more.

I can understand you 100% CD but if I were you I'd just move on and consider it there loss. Fuck'em man.

Most of the TGP owner's really do believe there fucking shit does not smell and there as serious as a heart attact on that.

I always did my gallery's by hand and submitted by hand to just a few TGP's.

Now all I do every once in awhile is to cumshotplanet. Give Lamar a try if you have any cumshot gallery's he's a nice guy and leaves your gallery's up for along time.
As a matter of fact he's the only TGP owner
I've ran into that's worth a grain of salt.

By the way your gallery's do look good.

Jim

Hot Tropical Babes

CD,
Heres my two cents worth,,,
Try not to use banners with thumbs on them. Some reviewers consider this to be "tricking the surfer".

They are beautiful galleries

TheFLY

Bottom line is the TGP's don't owe you dick -- they don't even owe you a response or any rhyme or reason.

There's not a TGP on the planet that wouldn't get by with maybe 10 really intelligent submitters.

If one guy can make 400 galleries -- why wade through 400 annoying crying webmasters when you can deal with one webmaster that has the resources to build 400 top quality galleries... ?

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Bake

The Mysteries of the TGP I dont get it. I go for quaility when Im reviewing and I know most of my galleries are of much better quaility than most but I cant get the big numbers anymore.and CD I listed your gallery today for you before I read this post.

Quoth the Raven

Perhaps the following quotation from Shap (a major tgp owner),as taken on Porncity Board, will kindle a light as to the "whys":

Hi henkzelf
How is what I wrote not serious?

Bottomline is tgps are getting tons of submissions. So who will they list? They will obviously list the galleries with the least advertising and the galleries least likely to make money. Then they list their own galleries that are geared towards making money and clean house.

The problem isn't only the tgps. It is the people making the galleries with 15 pics and one small text link. If there wasn't 100 of those a day submitted to the big boys then they would have to list the more agressive sales pages/galleries.

So while I do agree with the people who refer to the "Tgp God Complex", that the bigger tgps may have developed, you also have to look at it from their point of view.

And once again Mr henkzelf, my post was to help people that are having trouble getting listed. I get more than 600,000 uniques a day so getting listed with me will help people out. I don't see how it wasn't a serious post.

Shap




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CDSmith

This is just stupid. Sorry, I'm a might pissed off right now, and I find this comment to be a bit lame. Why? Because those pics of "nina & gabby" are admittedly of very good quality, but so what? There is no real hardcore action depicted, and they actually do hint to the surfer that he will see much more at the parent site. Plus, did you not know that those pics are free pics provided by Oliver Klozov? Believe me I got signups on Oliver with that gallery. I got 3 signups in one day from a hun listing from that gallery, so your comment is off the mark. I rarely give away explicit hardcore pics, and if I do I always entice the surfer by hinting that there are also videos at the parent (sponsor) site. It is the live video feeds and quality mpg's that the paying porn surfers are after anyways, and my handful of pics isn't going to satisfy many.

Ron2K1 --- TGP's usually don't decline anyone for having too high a quality, more like the opposite is true. TGP's all seem to want the HIGHEST quality possible, and I can understand it when you have 1000 submissions a day, you're going to list the best galleries, it is a fact.

HTB -- Banners with thumbs on them? Huh? Where? I use banners, and banners have images on them usually, to entice the surfer. There is nothing at all wrong with the banners I choose for my galleries. You mean the banners that look like a row of blind thumbs. I don't use those any longer, haven't for over a year now. I use them sometimes on my sites, but not on galleries.

Pete-da-fly -- No, no one owes anyone squat, period. I am merely exercising my right as a webmaster to squawk off about what's been going on regarding my submissions. If any TGP takes offense to what I'm saying, tough shit. I know what I'm saying is right, there is no good reason why galleries like mine are getting refused all the time, when I can go to just about any of the big TGP's and find really shitty galleries on any given day. And judging from the posts here so far, I can safely say that I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Mick Bake -- oya Mate, thanks for that! If you can convince you local bartender to set up a paypal account, I'll buy you a few beers bro

For the record, Shemp has emailed me and is allowing me to get my galleries posted. Thanks Rob, much appreciated. Wish there was more like you.
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SleazyDream

CdSmith
you seem to want everything Instantly. Just because you make a good clean gallery doesn't guarentee a listing. Blade used a statement on me that stuck with me since day one when I was trying to get on hardcore junky 'we don't have much history'
big TGPs get in excess of 1000 GOOD galleries a day. most only post about 100 - and of that 100 they probally have 50-80 people who have worked with them for YEARS never cheating them and they trust those people. But trust takes time. Many people will re-direct thumbs and pull other crap. If you hang in there you will make a name for yourself, but like anything it takes time. No one with a large site is really willing to risk their reputation on a newbie that could possibly redirect their traffic to console hell 2 days later. Yes they will give you a chance, and if that works another chance and then slowly you'll get more and more respect and more postings. But nothing happens OVERNIGHT. TGP postings are a LOT of work and it takes time to buil a good reputation - and a LOT of money.

Steve

CDSmith has been around a few years. The guy has a solid rep.

I think it is more a number thing. TGP A gets 1000 submissions/day, and uses 100. Let's say they have 100 good links, and have 500 submits still sitting there (knowing that in 24 hours, there will be yet another 1000 new submits). Do they:

1-continue to review submissions?
2-delete the 500 or so remaining submits?

if the answer is 2, put yourself in their shoes. Can you blame them if they did?

InterracialPorno TGP

Perhaps because you use that mouseover java script ..
I never list gallerys with mouseover

Andy

[This message has been edited by InterracialPorno TGP (edited 10-28-2001).]

CDSmith

Sleazy, with all due respect, the only newbie here is you bro. I've been submitting galleries for years now. I've been reviewing submissions for well over a year. I've run sites for nearly 3 years. What part of that speaks "newbie" to you?

And no, I don't want everything instantly. Did you not fully comprehend my post? If not, I'll recap for you. I said that I am referring to submissions made by me over the past 2 months or so. That's 2 months of submitting 3 or 4 galleries a week, so that's about 30 submissions total. I didn't just blurt out this thread lightly, and that isn't my style to begin with. Try getting to know me before making generalizations about me man, really.

Andy -- I also submitted other versions of that same gallery without the mouseover. It made no difference. AND I've also submitted galleries with my own original content, and still no results with some TGP's.

It would be one thing if we were talking about only a few submissions over a few weeks, but we're not. We're talking about a long time, and a lot of galleries. It's fucking ridiculous, and what I'm saying is not out of line, it's the truth.

Anyone else?

CDSmith

Steve -- I agree fully. I know that can happen from time to time, and I know that in a lot of cases timing is everything. But again, we aren't talking about only a few submissions here. You can't tell me that you can submit 30+ galleries in the course of two months and see not one gallery get listed. Something is wrong when that happens, especially when those SAME galleries are getting listed at 30 or 40 other TGP's. One or two are bound to get through once in a while.

And I'm only using the last two months of submissions. If I were to take it back to over a year ago, the results are still sadly the same. No wonder I'm a bit pee-o'ed eh?

TheFLY

CD you are the squeaky wheel -- you go bro!

Anyway nothing against you personally -- I'm just making a point that as the submitter you are not in control... that's why I don't fuck with search engines either.

I don't like to gamble.

Thanks for the Shap post -- that guy is a fucking guru...

And one other thing that not too many people mentioned -- imagine a TGP w/ 1000 submissions each day -- and imagine your recip thumbnail on all 1000 of those galleries -- every day! Hell that is free traffic for the TGP -- if it gets listed or not. If you are a TGP submitter -- most likely you are being USED.

Don't forget that... ;)

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Steve

CD
simple solution. Stop submitting to those guys, and try someone else.

I hate to name names, but when I was going whole hog TGP submitting, I NEVR got listed on libraryofthumbs, gregpix, thumbnailpost, and a few other ones. I didn't take it personally, I just noticed I wasn't getting listed, and dropped them from my routine. No knock on them. I didn't get too bent over it. There are just way too many other places to get listed these days. If you don't see your shit on their site, change the buttons and move on. Either that, or change the catagory you submit to. Teen is going to be loaded with submits, but maybe group sex, or anal, or cumshot is hurting for submits. Make a gallery in a wek catagory, and you increase your chances of getting listed.

The Truth

This is funny.. I really don't like to get involved with all this flying urine but I think I have a few things to add.

CD - you are so wrong about Sleazy. Everyone has a grudge against him because of his first post but the fact is that he is a very well respected webmaster with the people that count, and as for you... just because a few people in here know you does not mean you are an established webmaster. If you have been posting galleries for 5 years but using free hosts then it's all a waste. You will never get a rep with a free host. Sad but true.

And your gallery is not perfect...
Why would you put this pic on a gallery..? http://www8.smutserver.com/babes/sun.../reagan/01.jpg

You include a recip to your own site on the top of the page next to Snake - and it's real obvious so right away he knows you are not making an effort to send him any traffic back... and you are making a lame attempt to get more traffic for yourself.

Next, you use the mouseover as interracial pointed out.


You also use the Evil word "MAIN" which is a rule I don't understand but just the same, it is a pretty common rule that TGP's don't like it no matter what it leads to. Mainly because it takes the traffic from them. Oh well.

and on that bang bus gall you have a whole fucking book. No one wants all that text on a gallery. It's way too much.

Now, I gotta go submit my own galleries

By the way... this post wasn't meant to start a big battle... just trying to open your mind a bit. When you come on here saying "I know it's a clean gallery" etc... you gotta expect something like this.


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I'm New And Wanted To Know If There is a good free host out there with ftp
Thanks
If not thanks anyway

CDSmith

Only an idiot would say that. You are simply one of these webmasters that looks down the length of his snoot at anything you perceive as less than your own standards. You are deluded, your view is antiquated, and it's old news already. And I'm not wrong about Sleazy, it was he who made false assumptions about me, not the reverse. I hold no grudge, my repsonse to him has nothing to do with any other post he may have made. Again, not my style. And if you know squat about me or what I do online, then either find out more or shut up, k? And wake up, there are tons of other established webmasters that run high-volume sites that STILL make use of freehosts for galleries. Diversification is just good business, and if you haven't learned that yet then maybe you yourself aren't as "established" as you think you are.

And your gallery is not perfect...
Why would you put this pic on a gallery..? http://www8.smutserver.com/babes/sun.../reagan/01.jpg

I never said my galleries were perfect. Where did you read that? And as for that pic, it is part of the set. I put up the complete set of 25 pics. Including that pic shouldn't be the deciding factor as to posting or not, only a fool would think so. Are you a fool? Oh, and by the way, since you don't know much about freehosts it seems, I'll tell you now... you can't link directly to pics on a freehost from another domain. They have hotlinking protections, which is something I very much enjoy about them. LOL@U

You include a recip to your own site on the top of the page next to Snake - and it's real obvious so right away he knows you are not making an effort to send him any traffic back... and you are making a lame attempt to get more traffic for yourself.

Well, for one thing I just got an email from him saying it was accepted , and for another thing, so what? He/they get a gallery of series pics for free. I suppose this counts for shit, right? And I get some traffic for my trouble, Big deal. And how do you know that I didn't list this page on my own TGP? What about the other recip? Could it be listed there? You are quibbling over what amounts to a very few hits anyways. I should also point out that I list my galleries with SE's because they are permanent, so the reciped TGP will see hits for a long time to come.

Next, you use the mouseover as interracial pointed out.

And I answered to that comment. You must have missed it. You're as observant as Sleazy I see.

You also use the Evil word "MAIN" which is a rule I don't understand but just the same, it is a pretty common rule...(snip)

No, I don't just use the word "main" anywhere. What the link says is "Click here for the Sunset Beach Main Page" which is much more accurate and descriptive than just the word "main".

and on that bang bus gall you have a whole fucking book. No one wants all that text on a gallery. It's way too much.

Actually many TGP's are asking for some supporting text. Many are also begging for erotic story galleries, so coupling some storyline with the pics is something that is really catching on. You forget, I also run 2 TGP's, and I see what the veteran submitters are doing as well as the newbies. You really ought to start considering that "newbie ideas" are not always bad ideas. New ideas are what fuels this industry in the long term, not the old and sometimes outdated ones.

And as you so nicely took the time to say, I'm not saying all this to start an argument, I'm trying to open up your mind to some new ideas.

Something I notice about guys like you and Sleazy is that your comments seem to imply a disdain for new webmasters. By attempting to class me as a newbie you make yourselves look stupid. No really, why do you guys continually try to set yourselves up as superior beings? It's becoming laughable.
Now come back here and prove me right.
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The Truth

With all that pissing and moaning I don't think I need to say anything.

Your attitude proved to me who you are.

Good luck with all your shitty sites on the free hosts.

TheFLY

My nuts itch.

CDSmith

Thanks truth. I can sure use your good luck. If I'm getting a bit pissy it should be obvious as to why to anyone reading the entire thread.

MRS#M# -- that's some name you have there. The information you seek is on this thread: http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/...ML/011384.html
As Truth said, "good luck", but I mean it in a nice way.

Truth, looking down your nose at others shows you to be snooty, not smart. I could care less about my "rep" as you call it, I'm not in this to kiss ass or please anyone or gain their approval, I'm here to make money and earn a living (of which I do quite well). I'm sure your sites are much better than mine though, right? Ya, thought so.

CDSmith

I think all of our nuts are itching these days, and I have a theory as to why. Care to hear it?

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Kimmykim

My guess is a daily shower instead of posting here so much.

Amputate Your Head

I was with ya there Truth.... until this comment. I happen to include my own recips mixed in with all the other on every page I submit..... yes, in an attempt to get some traffic back to myself. Isn't that what it's all about? Getting some traffic and makin' some damn sales off it? My recips can be found next to AL4A, Hun, Zilla, Snakes.... and all the others... ( well, at least they were when I was submitting gallerys... )
What's wrong with trying to bring in some traffic? We already gotta conform to these ridiculous fuckin' megalomaniac TGP owners rules which basically cut our nuts right off... now we can't even slip in a self-recip? Sorry man.... outta line on that one.

rhizome

It's all about diversification. But I guess you're just a newbie that doesn't understand this simple concept.

Amputate Your Head

CD, just for the record.... Alot of people can make gallerys, but that does not mean they know what the fuck they're doing. Your gallerys have been the best lookin' stuff ever submitted to me.

rhizome

[quote]Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
[b] The whole point of recips is to get some traffic back. You can argue all you want about whether TGPs should require recips or not but once you accept the fact that some TGPs will ask for recips, you gotta understand that they want a fair shot at getting traffic back. It's simple math. Snakesworld will be sending CD traffic that can go to two other TGPs but only one of those TGPs will be sending traffic that Snakesworld can grab. It's pure deception. When a TGP asks for at least 2 other recips, its assumed that the gallery will be submitted to the 2 other tgps.

Amputate Your Head

And? My point exactly.... I put three recips on each page... one of them is mine.

Theo

then you don't receive 100% perfect galleries. I like CD's galleries, but they're not the best looking available on many tgps. Ask from Shap to show you galleries made from Manny if you want to see what perfect means.

Amputate Your Head

But you see, I don't give a damn about gallerys. And my perception of perfect is, I'm quite sure, vastly different than yours.

Theo

perhaps, but for me the following are perfects:
http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/autumn/tits/zeus.html http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/mar...oobs/zeus.html http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/ter...star/zeus.html http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/san...tits/zeus.html http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/linda/busty/zeus.html http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/ari...ures/zeus.html http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/alexus/boobs/zeus.html http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/eri...asts/zeus.html http://www.almightyzeus.com/gals/nikita/teen/zeus.html

goodnight guys

Theo

and don't say bad words because Zeus thunder will hit you on head!

Amputate Your Head

As I said... vastly different.

Theo

i didn't expect an honest reply from you, i'm not surprised though.
You know, I don't like ferrari's also, I guess because I don't own one. Goodnight mr AMP.

The Truth

I hear ya Amp and I agree but only to a certain extent.
First off.... both the recips next to Snake were to CD's sites. It was real obvious because they had his "look" and they both obviously had no traffic.
Now I always include a link back to my main site but I do it under my main selling link. I also group together the big guys that know each other. For example Snake and Shemp and Al know they all have traffic and they all have similarly strict rules. So those 3 go on a gall together. It's just respect. When a TGP owner sees your own recips next to his he takes it to be an attempt to get something by him. Wether you mean it like that or not that is how it will be perceived.

I also agree that the rules are out of hand but my gripe was to CD because he says he doesn't give a shit about this and that and doesn't care if people don't respect him. The whole point of my post was to question why he would bitch about getting listed if he didn't want to try and establish some sort of reputation.

Anyway... I gotta go to bed.
Here's looking down my nose at ya

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The Truth

As for Almighty Zeus...

You may not like them Amp but it is an awesome example of someone who pays for hosting on a domain that is recognizable. He uses good content and gives just enough away... and wether you like it or not - They get listed everywhere everyday and they Damn sure make sells.
To me that is a perfect gallery.

Open your minds people.

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