SNOW

What procerssor do the majority of you guys here like??

When say ccbill being my main processor refuses,what does the paysite owner do with that surfer who was refused??

Is there a script i need.. Do i just send them off to a new processor??

Do i snedthem to a dialer??

What are most people doing with denials>>

Snow

Amputate Your Head

ThugCash bro.... there are no refusals, no chargebacks, and no questions. Or else.

funkmaster

... with ibill you´ll get a webgood/webbad page to setup ... so whenever a surfer does not get through you´ll show him your webbad page, and on that page you can setup whoever you want as your secondary processor ... the funkmaster uses JESUSCASH PRO ... 0% holdback, 0% chargebacks, 0% fuckknows ... works great for me !!!

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Don't innovate - imitate!
... giving away mass traffic for free !!

SNOW

thanks i need more serious awnsers ??

EricH

Most processors have some mechanism in place to support backup processors... For instance, at WebsiteBilling you simply include 2 extra tags in your join HTML code...

Regarding CCBill... have you checked out their online manual? manual.ccbill.com They might offer something similiar.

Good Luck!

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WebsiteBilling.com

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Dirty F

Go with globill-systems.com, they are simply the fucking best there is. CCbill and Ibill are not even close to what they offer.


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Kimmykim

Snow -- if you get a decline, you tell us (if you are using us) what URL you want the surfer sent to at that point.

My suggestion would be a simple page with 3 options -- alternate cc processor, check join and dialer. Let the surfer choose what they want to do.

jimmyf

I quit using a sponsor because they changed to globill-systems.com. So there is one small
webmasters answer.
Better get some feed back before you sit up
your partnerships.

Like what Mr. Snow is doing.

I see Mr. Snow has almost as much experience
as Mr. 12Clicks.

I really like ccbill's, one user name for all your partnerships and the check every week.


Jim

pensfan

so how would a referring webmaster get credit for declined surfers who get authorized thru an alternate billing method?

say ccbill declines, and you run it through ibill?

jimmyf

They have some kind of cgi or php code I believe.

I know with FlashCash you can check your sign ups with both, there main and back up.

Go visit FlashCash and ask them. The only one I use that has a main and a back up.


Jim

funkmaster

pensfan, depends on your sponsor ... some do, some don´t ... the sponsor always has the posibility to put your ref ID through to the secondary processor ...

ccbill rocks !!

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justsexxx

Why did you leave them?>

Andre

Kimmykim

IF someone is using us for checks and cc's the referral code would pass thru to the check joins too.

Many companies besides FlashCash, including ARS, Pornmegabucks and Maxcash, track their own resellers and do pay on backup processing.

It's not the easiest thing to do, requires the site owner handling a db and coding on their end.

As a reseller, backup join credit should be looked at as a bonus, not a requirement.

With that said, flame away

pensfan

I'm not gonna flame, but why would it be a bonus?

heymatty

I would like to use paypal as my backup processor. Anyone know much about this? I want to totally avoid manual password creation and other such stuff.

matty

Kimmykim

Because its much more complicated (and expensive) for them to pay out on backup sales.

pensfan

so wouldn't it be a more honest approach to just not have a backup processor if you can't pay the referring webmaster on those sales?

Kimmykim

No.

pensfan

why?

Kimmykim

Because the site owner should make every dime they can. If they are upfront about what they pay for, then I see no problem with not paying on backup, paying less on one type of join than another, not paying on consoles, etc.

I started as a small webmaster and I know that reading the terms and being clear on what to expect is how you can avoid most all problems between resellers and sponsors.

It's the ones that don't mention they aren't paying on this, don't pay on that, that I wouldn't use then and wouldn't now if I were still doing sites.

pensfan

okay, I can accept that if they're upfront and don't hide it and you still use them then that's up to you...

Personally I think it sucks because as a webmaster promoting a site, busting my ass to get the traffic there, spending my own money on content and bandwidth, to have the sponsor run a stricter processor as primary, then when it get's denied go through a less scrubbed processor, then collect your sign up, that's just wrong.

And there seems to be some misconception among sponsors that once the surfer is denied, it's their customer to do what they want with, any way to make a buck, and tough shit on the webmasters who sent the surfer there.

Like I said if the sponsor is up front about it, and you still promote them, and are happy with them then that's your own choice.

jimmyf

They had something like 20 sites.
So I would have to have 20 Diff. User
ID:'s and 20 Diff. passwords. Thats fucked
not worth the trouble to me, As a matter of fact I will not sign up for any new parnter program that use ibill and that's because of stuff I've read hear and on other boards about the way they scrub and there $50.00 Min). Shit am a small webmaster and to loose 4 or 5 sign ups a month is tooo much money to loose not counting the recurring.

Like someone else has said here ccbill rocks.

Jim



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Kimmykim

You've got two issues going here, neither of which have to do with the thread topic really

"Personally I think it sucks because as a webmaster promoting a site, busting my ass to get the traffic there, spending my own money on content and bandwidth, to have the sponsor run a stricter processor as primary, then when it get's denied go through a less scrubbed processor, then collect your sign up, that's just wrong."
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First off, any sponsor who would depend on their declines to cheat a reseller out of a payout is stupid. Declined surfers going through the Visa approved methods for attempting another transaction, know they were declined and a huge percentage of them do NOT try again. Companies big enough to be managing their own resellers and have a relationship with a processor where they post the transaction in (mind you this is ending this month with the larger processors) can cheat you in other ways if they wanted to without messing with willing surfers.


"And there seems to be some misconception among sponsors that once the surfer is denied, it's their customer to do what they want with, any way to make a buck, and tough shit on the webmasters who sent the surfer there."
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One could also argue from a sponsors point of view that once the traffic comes into the site they are the property of the site owner. Resellers claiming traffic as their own is akin to the Hun or Tommy telling you that their reseller codes, instead of your own, had to be on all your pages if you were getting listings and traffic from them.

No one owns traffic -- we are all just traffic lights and directional signs on the road that it moves.

Snake Doctor

Most everyone is paying the same amount, they all just have different ways of getting to that payout figure.
Paying on backup processing requires the site owner to have their own stats program and handle the member database themselves.
Most of your partnership programs have you linking to them through the primary processor to set a cookie, and they let the processor handle the htpassword files. So they have no way of crediting you with a sale to the backup processor, since your revshare account is with the primary.
Brad Shaw pays on backup processing, but he doesn't pay on exit traffic. And he'll tell you that he could pay you on either/or, and your final payout would be about the same.
A recurring sponsor who pays you on exit traffic (like cashtour or pmb) or one who'll give you your nonconverting traffic back (like flashcash or oxcash) is about as good a deal you're going to find as a reseller.
Just my 1.5 cents


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90% of this business is half mental.

jimmyf

KimmyKim
(mind you this is ending this month with the larger processors) can cheat you in other ways if they wanted to without messing with willing surfers.

And may I ask just how they will be able to do this please?

Thanks in advance

Jim

Kimmykim

I'm NOT saying that anyone is cheating. Let me qualify that first.

But any program who runs their own reseller stats can do anything they want to with them.

What I am saying is that declines aren't really a part of the equation -- the % of surfers who are declined and go on to join isn't worth pushing a harder primary scrub and trying to make up the numbers on the secondary, it just won't work.

jimmyf

Ok I understand kimmyKim.

The only program am in that runs their own reseller stats, is EroticaCash. I was in his
recurring program before he statred using
a thrid party. By the way, I always get paid
from them. They have Never missed a payment.

I must agree, any program who runs their own reseller stats can do anything they
want to with them, money does some very strange things to people, and it could happen after years and years of doing business with them.

Jim

Platinum Dave

Snow do exactly what Kimmy Kim said,

when you get a denial from CC Bill make a page up for your backup and tell them you want any denails to get forwarded to that page.

Perfect, all you need to do.

Yes you should have a backup

No you wont be able to give credit to webmasters

Unless you buy a software for your entire system that enables you to give credit on both processors.

SNow that is what we just bought remember I told you about it, a denial will go automatically to backup processor and NOT only give them another option, BUT all their info will be already in the next join form.

Plus we give credit on both processors to our webmasters.

But definately use a backup, Epoch or iBill or whoever, CC Bill as your primary is good, cause I think they have the best partnership stats package for webmasters.

Good luck bro, hit me up on ICQ if you need any other questions answered.

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Platinum Bucks
Platinum Dialers
Cash4Blind
VP, Marketing & Operations

Kimmykim

ALL their info cannot go. Everything BUT their cc number and expiration date can go through on back up. This is a Visa rule, not a processor rule. Anyone who currently can pass everything will not be able to with us (we don't have anyone doing it any more anyway) -- Epoch and Ibill have told their customers that were doing this that there will be changes in their system, and so far as I know Jettis never allowed it.

To do this with us as primary -- passing everything but the cc number, doesn't require anything more than you getting with our techs and letting them set it up for you.

Passing the card number thru on anything other than a scrub decline never really worked anyway, since the surfers bank is the one declining it, not the processing bank.

The best way to handle it from a site owners point of view is to give them options -- i.e. check joins rebill a LOT longer than cc joins, dialers can make you more money initially, etc.

There are pros and cons to every type of money collection system -- finding the right mix is paramount to doing the most business you can.