Sponsors that "allows" spam, seriously... - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 10:12 AM

I've been in touch with tons of traders i.e. affiliates this week which has had problems with spammer(s) last couple of months. I'm talking about spamming at affiliates guestbooks, boards etc which is often part of a website, probably with advanced postbots or whatever. Big scale spamming.

Now, the concern is not the spamming itself. That can be dealt with. But that sponsors dont react or read it when the spam is reported, even with detailed attached proofs of the spammings offered.

I mean, a few affiliates that spam on such large scale, are they more worth to you, than the other 100s of affiliates that have to deal with this bullshit on their websites?? Many of the affiliates are exactly not small ones and they might be promoting the same programs as the spammers. It really pisses people off, and now it have to end. Right now! Its time to pick some choices here.

PS! On behalf of everyone involved, I would like to thank those who has already reacted.

sean416 · 01-08-2005, 10:14 AM

I have reported spam to a bunch of affiliate programs and not once received a reply.

Dildozer · 01-08-2005, 10:20 AM

Boo fuckin hooo!!!!
I'm getting owned by other affiliates and i can't make any money on the internet! I'm gonna complain about other affiliates so MAYBE i can get a sale.

Go back to Wendy's retard

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dildozer

Boo fuckin hooo!!!!
I'm getting owned by other affiliates and i can't make any money on the internet! I'm gonna complain about other affiliates so MAYBE i can get a sale.

Go back to Wendy's retard

Yeah, I make no money... so I should probably just start spamming myself. Oh wait!!! just checked my stats and made 62 sales today...hmmm...

Dildozer · 01-08-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Yeah, I make no money... so I should probably just start spamming myself. Oh wait!!! just checked my stats and made 62 sales today...hmmm...

Good for you, yet you find the time to cry like a baby. Maybe you don't deserve to make sales at all

kmanrox · 01-08-2005, 10:34 AM

once you become an established member of the webmaster community, 100% of all the affiliate programs will allow you to send bulk mail

Napolean · 01-08-2005, 10:36 AM

hrmm... whats the word im looking for, oh yeah "moderation"

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kmanrox

once you become an established member of the webmaster community, 100% of all the affiliate programs will allow you to send bulk mail

I know, but this is not emails. It is posting on websites (forums, guestbooks etc). In total Im talking about millions of surfers affected on those sites.

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dildozer

Good for you, yet you find the time to cry like a baby. Maybe you don't deserve to make sales at all

I play by the rules. How is your site?

candyflip · 01-08-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I know, but this is not emails. It is posting on websites (forums, guestbooks etc). In total Im talking about millions of surfers affected on those sites.

If you make this option available to them, it will be used.

Don't want it? Don't allow any posting on your sites or spend a lot of time fighting against it.

Some will hire you to help them fight it and let YOU be the only one to "spam" their system.

(banana is the new groucho)

Dildozer · 01-08-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I play by the rules. How is your site?

Some spam pisses me off I agree, i don't go around reporting everyone like a crybaby however. Then again I don't brag of having 62 4free joins
My sites are doing better than ever thank you.

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

If you make this option available to them, it will be used.

Don't want it? Don't allow any posting on your sites or spend a lot of time fighting against it.

Some will hire you to help them fight it and let YOU be the only one to "spam" their system.

(banana is the new groucho)

Of course, but its more complicated than that. Many forums, many members, with the same problems, and suddenly they should close it for member postings because of some few spammers? I dont think so. There are many moderators and scripts installed, but it wont simply do it. Reporting spammers is the last thing to do, and then it is really dissappointment that nothing happens. Im talking about "pro" russian spammers here, that systematicly rape the websites

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dildozer

Some spam pisses me off I agree, i don't go around reporting everyone like a crybaby however. Then again I don't brag of having 62 4free joins
My sites are doing better than ever thank you.

You dont get it do you? Its not about whining about everyone. Its many webmasters that have problems with some few spammers. Probably one person or a "company". It has not been a problem for years, but now it is. I could compare it and say someone postboted a new topic at GFY every minute, and there is nothing they could do to stop it. Except take him out, by some help from the sponsors. If the sponsors give a shit, then what?

Serious-Partner · 01-08-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I play by the rules. How is your site?

Dirty Dane, hit me on icq #8484813..

gemini44 · 01-08-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I've been in touch with tons of traders i.e. affiliates this week which has had problems with spammer(s) last couple of months. I'm talking about spamming at affiliates guestbooks, boards etc which is often part of a website, probably with advanced postbots or whatever. Big scale spamming.

Now, the concern is not the spamming itself. That can be dealt with. But that sponsors dont react or read it when the spam is reported, even with detailed attached proofs of the spammings offered.

I mean, a few affiliates that spam on such large scale, are they more worth to you, than the other 100s of affiliates that have to deal with this bullshit on their websites?? Many of the affiliates are exactly not small ones and they might be promoting the same programs as the spammers. It really pisses people off, and now it have to end. Right now! Its time to pick some choices here.

PS! On behalf of everyone involved, I would like to thank those who has already reacted.

I have to agree with DirtyDane,I fucking hate these spamming viagra ad jerkoffs!! I mean if our customers are looking at porn that we produce or promote (these junkmail telemarketing kind of spammers are trying to and in some cases are getting in the way of sales) they should be able to look at it freely w/out having to think how limp their dicks are

.I mean dont you hate when you sit down to dinner and get a call about switching long distance calling plans or all that shit you get in your E-mail boxes (like these viagra ads ciallis etc.) or even the dumbass commercials on T.V. today that start out with a woman jogging in the park and go on for 2 minutes w/out telling you what they are promoting then at the end of it they say ask your doctor what it can do for you,only later do you find out that it was a commercial for herpies or some other STD.This kind of shit sucks I dont have herpies I dont have a limp dick and I dont want to hear about medicines or drugs to treat these things (especially when I look at links) it's irritating and I know that customers dont like it.just my opinion (if ya dont like it go fuck yourself)

Crypt · 01-08-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I've been in touch with tons of traders i.e. affiliates this week which has had problems with spammer(s) last couple of months. I'm talking about spamming at affiliates guestbooks, boards etc which is often part of a website, probably with advanced postbots or whatever. Big scale spamming.

Now, the concern is not the spamming itself. That can be dealt with. But that sponsors dont react or read it when the spam is reported, even with detailed attached proofs of the spammings offered.

I mean, a few affiliates that spam on such large scale, are they more worth to you, than the other 100s of affiliates that have to deal with this bullshit on their websites?? Many of the affiliates are exactly not small ones and they might be promoting the same programs as the spammers. It really pisses people off, and now it have to end. Right now! Its time to pick some choices here.

PS! On behalf of everyone involved, I would like to thank those who has already reacted.

Boo hooo!!! sniff sniff !

Go back burger king!

TheMob · 01-08-2005, 03:00 PM

so what's the deal again? spam?

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crypt

Boo hooo!!! sniff sniff !

Go back burger king!

I dont worry about that, I got it all covered.
Spammers and their sponsors should be the one worry however, whats coming up with visa in few months.
You also one of the spammers who are afraid of people fighting spam?

Crypt · 01-08-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I dont worry about that, I got it all covered.
Spammers and their sponsors should be the one worry however, whats coming up with visa in few months.
You also one of the spammers who are afraid of people fighting spam?

Fight spam its a waste of time budy.
Everytime you "kill" one, 30 born the day after.

You think when you cry to a sponsor you do great things.. hehe
They just kill the ID of the guy, and give him another one.

The time you lose fight this, you lose signups and worktime.

The funny part, lots of anti become spammers themself after some times. haha

chowda · 01-08-2005, 03:37 PM

what the fuck makes u think that mail traffic is shit?

chargebacks are the paysite's problems. if their tour doesnt advertise whats in it, then they should get the chargeback. but ppl who click are the ones who wanted to look at XYZ paysite.

if u ever throw down an sponsor program, please tell me ull turn down an affiliate doing 50 signups a day.

and u know what, i dont care how fucken ethical u are, u have a sellout price. dont tell me u wont sell out for 100k/month if u can on spamming so stfu.

bizmak · 01-08-2005, 03:40 PM

I hate spammers, I'm with Dirty Dane on this one

emthree · 01-08-2005, 03:41 PM

Fast food joints must pickup alot of industry members.
I allways hear someone refering another to bk or md.

Pornwolf · 01-08-2005, 03:42 PM

Hmm, spammers are out there spamming large scale on message boards? Oh my! I didn't know this. It must be stopped. If anyone has any info on the people doing this and how they do it so we can stop them ICQ me 152~970~595 .

We can't stand by and let this happen. Tell me about it so we can do what's necessary to control it. ICQ 152~970~595

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chowda

what the fuck makes u think that mail traffic is shit?

chargebacks are the paysite's problems. if their tour doesnt advertise whats in it, then they should get the chargeback. but ppl who click are the ones who wanted to look at XYZ paysite.

if u ever throw down an sponsor program, please tell me ull turn down an affiliate doing 50 signups a day.

and u know what, i dont care how fucken ethical u are, u have a sellout price. dont tell me u wont sell out for 100k/month if u can on spamming so stfu.

what are u talking about? did I anywhere mention mail traffic? no.................... but I can comment what you say: Basically, if selling drugs to kids make me rich, its ok just because it makes me lots of money?

thats the problem: people destroy this biz, result is governments and creditcard companies make hard rules.

SykkBoy · 01-08-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by emthree

Fast food joints must pickup alot of industry members.
I allways hear someone refering another to bk or md.

nah, even McDonalds and BurgerKing have some standards....

SykkBoy · 01-08-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

what are u talking about? did I anywhere mention mail traffic? no.................... but I can comment what you say: Basically, if selling drugs to kids make me rich, its ok just because it makes me lots of money?

thats the problem: people destroy this biz, result is governments and creditcard companies make hard rules.

there's a difference...selling drugs to kids is illegal...

SykkBoy · 01-08-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Yeah, I make no money... so I should probably just start spamming myself. Oh wait!!! just checked my stats and made 62 sales today...hmmm...

are those 4free sales or REAL membership sales?

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

there's a difference...selling drugs to kids is illegal...

Is it? What if the police did not care, even if it is illegal? Got the point?

chowda · 01-08-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

what are u talking about? did I anywhere mention mail traffic? no.................... but I can comment what you say: Basically, if selling drugs to kids make me rich, its ok just because it makes me lots of money?

well im just saying, if u dont, someone else will. and if they dont, someone other than them will.

u can stop it coz $$$ will overcome ethics anyday. i guess u can sleep knowing u are doing good in this world, but i guess i can sleep knowing that i can live the lifestyle i want.

SykkBoy · 01-08-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Is it? What if the police did not care, even if it is illegal? Got the point?

selling drugs is illegal
spamming message boards, etc. may suck and be unethical, but it's not illegal...
what does that have to do with police that look the other way? doesn't make it any less AGAINST THE LAW

mrgica · 01-08-2005, 03:55 PM

Sometimes I find another world
inside my mind
when I realise
the crazy things we do
It makes me feel ashamed to be alive
It makes me wanna run away and hide

It's all about the money
It's all about the dum dum.......
And you don't think It's funny
to see us fade away
It's all about the money
It's all about the dum dum...
and I think we got it all wrong anyway

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chowda

well im just saying, if u dont, someone else will. and if they dont, someone other than them will.

u can stop it coz $$$ will overcome ethics anyday. i guess u can sleep knowing u are doing good in this world, but i guess i can sleep knowing that i can live the lifestyle i want.

well, good for you. I really dont care if I "only" drive a BMW while my neighboor drive Rolls. But hey, that just my mentality.

Crypt · 01-08-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Hmm, spammers are out there spamming large scale on message boards? Oh my! I didn't know this. It must be stopped. If anyone has any info on the people doing this and how they do it so we can stop them ICQ me 152~970~595 .

We can't stand by and let this happen. Tell me about it so we can do what's necessary to control it. ICQ 152~970~595

mrgica · 01-08-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Oh wait!!! just checked my stats and made 62 sales today...hmmm...

yea sure, you really sound like a guy who makes 60+ sales a day

Dildozer · 01-08-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

well, good for you. I really dont care if I "only" drive a BMW while my neighboor drive Rolls. But hey, that just my mentality.

Ethics my ass, my bet is you're getting owned by a competitor who's pulling this stuff and you cry to mommy because you can't make it go away.

Crypt · 01-08-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dildozer

Ethics my ass, my bet is you're getting owned by a competitor who's pulling this stuff and you cry to mommy because you can't make it go away.

Yeah, probably the case.. lol

pxxx · 01-08-2005, 04:05 PM

Thread is useless if you ask me.

Wizzo · 01-08-2005, 04:21 PM

Who are these spammers and how many sales a day can they do?

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dildozer

Ethics my ass, my bet is you're getting owned by a competitor who's pulling this stuff and you cry to mommy because you can't make it go away.

Its not a competitor, since I dont promote most of those shitty things. One of the sponsors I have stopped promoting because of this.
Can't make it go away? Indeed, thats why I cry too...among with others who are tired of this bs.

Mike Okitch · 01-08-2005, 04:54 PM

It's a business.

It's about making money.

It's not selling crack to kids, it's offering something a surfer may be interested in. If they don't like it, the delete button is there for a reason.

Most sponsors are interested in a good bulk mail guy.

CTL · 01-08-2005, 05:00 PM

What's all this crying talk when someone complains about spammers?If you say "oh boohoo,go back to mommy" that must mean that you are a spammer yourself or that you condone spamming.I'm sure most of us use spam filters in our mailboxes so why should this be any different?I agree with Dirty Dane not only because I'm administrator on his forum as well,but it's a waste of the surfers time and our time for having to moderate those posts.Yes we DO moderate and we have a damn good mod team.As I said it's a waste of everyones time including the spammers when we knock down their posts anyway so what's in it for them?Nada.

jimmyf · 01-08-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

You also one of the spammers who are afraid of people fighting spam?

A lot more of those than you think on this board A LOT more..

jimmyf · 01-08-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

and creditcard companies make hard rules.

bingo

if and when Visa cracks down on pay sites for spamming, well
I really don't think if they will more like when. bye bye..

flashfire · 01-08-2005, 05:08 PM

if spammers are making them money they probably dont give a shit in most cases

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

It's not selling crack to kids, it's offering something a surfer may be interested in. If they don't like it, the delete button is there for a reason.

Well that's bad argument, since spam means unwanted emails and in general unwanted posting at boards. As I speak of postings, if a board dont want the links, then it IS unwanted and it IS spam. You cant offer something people dont want you to offer? Some people just dont get it, and some just dont care, in lack of respect for other people.
Breaking someones rules or breaking the laws, is exactly the same thing. Only difference is that you wont go to jail for the first thing. You can say "hey, there's money in spamming other peoples boards" and do it, without facing consequenses, because your sponsor let you do it.
I just dont get it, that some people, in public, says its okay to do it, because it is "legal"? Same people scream for "freedom on internet", at the same time they destroy it. Thats hypocratic.

Dirty Dane · 01-08-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by flashfire

if spammers are making them money they probably dont give a shit in most cases

Thats my hole point

So, what can be done before it makes more damage (Visa, governments etc.) Hopefully most people want this biz to be selfregulating?

Crypt · 01-08-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Thats my hole point

So, what can be done before it makes more damage (Visa, governments etc.) Hopefully most people want this biz to be selfregulating?

Yeah im sure Visa will kill a merchant account for referer spam .. haha

PatrickKing · 01-08-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mrgica

yea sure, you really sound like a guy who makes 60+ sales a day

I am a program owner, Dirty Dane is an affilliate of mine, I can tell you for sure he is NOT lying about his numbers. He is a great promoter.

01-08-2005, 10:12 AM	#1
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Sponsors that "allows" spam, seriously... I've been in touch with tons of traders i.e. affiliates this week which has had problems with spammer(s) last couple of months. I'm talking about spamming at affiliates guestbooks, boards etc which is often part of a website, probably with advanced postbots or whatever. Big scale spamming. Now, the concern is not the spamming itself. That can be dealt with. But that sponsors dont react or read it when the spam is reported, even with detailed attached proofs of the spammings offered. I mean, a few affiliates that spam on such large scale, are they more worth to you, than the other 100s of affiliates that have to deal with this bullshit on their websites?? Many of the affiliates are exactly not small ones and they might be promoting the same programs as the spammers. It really pisses people off, and now it have to end. Right now! Its time to pick some choices here. PS! On behalf of everyone involved, I would like to thank those who has already reacted.

01-08-2005, 10:14 AM	#2
sean416 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,633	I have reported spam to a bunch of affiliate programs and not once received a reply. __________________ ServerProvider.com

01-08-2005, 10:34 AM	#6
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01-08-2005, 03:37 PM	#20
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	what the fuck makes u think that mail traffic is shit? chargebacks are the paysite's problems. if their tour doesnt advertise whats in it, then they should get the chargeback. but ppl who click are the ones who wanted to look at XYZ paysite. if u ever throw down an sponsor program, please tell me ull turn down an affiliate doing 50 signups a day. and u know what, i dont care how fucken ethical u are, u have a sellout price. dont tell me u wont sell out for 100k/month if u can on spamming so stfu. __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

01-08-2005, 10:20 AM	#3
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	Boo fuckin hooo!!!! I'm getting owned by other affiliates and i can't make any money on the internet! I'm gonna complain about other affiliates so MAYBE i can get a sale. Go back to Wendy's retard

01-08-2005, 03:00 PM	#17
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	so what's the deal again? spam?

01-08-2005, 03:40 PM	#21
bizmak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 10,014	I hate spammers, I'm with Dirty Dane on this one

01-08-2005, 03:41 PM	#22
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	Fast food joints must pickup alot of industry members. I allways hear someone refering another to bk or md. __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

01-08-2005, 03:42 PM	#23
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Hmm, spammers are out there spamming large scale on message boards? Oh my! I didn't know this. It must be stopped. If anyone has any info on the people doing this and how they do it so we can stop them ICQ me 152~970~595 . We can't stand by and let this happen. Tell me about it so we can do what's necessary to control it. ICQ 152~970~595 __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

01-08-2005, 03:55 PM	#31
mrgica Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,169	Sometimes I find another world inside my mind when I realise the crazy things we do It makes me feel ashamed to be alive It makes me wanna run away and hide It's all about the money It's all about the dum dum....... And you don't think It's funny to see us fade away It's all about the money It's all about the dum dum... and I think we got it all wrong anyway __________________ Fuck it dude, lets go bowling

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pxxx First African GFY Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,114	Thread is useless if you ask me.

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01-08-2005, 04:54 PM	#40
Mike Okitch Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Posts: 4,126	It's a business. It's about making money. It's not selling crack to kids, it's offering something a surfer may be interested in. If they don't like it, the delete button is there for a reason. Most sponsors are interested in a good bulk mail guy. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-08-2005, 05:00 PM	#41
CTL Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 48	What's all this crying talk when someone complains about spammers?If you say "oh boohoo,go back to mommy" that must mean that you are a spammer yourself or that you condone spamming.I'm sure most of us use spam filters in our mailboxes so why should this be any different?I agree with Dirty Dane not only because I'm administrator on his forum as well,but it's a waste of the surfers time and our time for having to moderate those posts.Yes we DO moderate and we have a damn good mod team.As I said it's a waste of everyones time including the spammers when we knock down their posts anyway so what's in it for them?Nada.

01-08-2005, 05:08 PM	#44
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	if spammers are making them money they probably dont give a shit in most cases