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  • SodomHussein
    Registered User
    • Nov 2002
    • 28

    #1

    IBILL NOT PAYING ON RECURRINGS, if no new signups

    Is it just me or has anyone else been recently fucked by ibill's latest policy of not paying webmasters on their rebills if you are not processing new signups? Isn't that some shit? Seems like just another reason not to pay webmasters their hard-earned money. The sales reps, including national sales reps, don't even answer their phones. Amazing..... I never even knew about this policy till today.

    The useless customer support chic told me that I have to process new sign-ups inorder to recieve payout. Or I can send an email to closures to close my account, and then all of my customers will be "cancelled," and I'll receive payout in 6 months. HAHAHA Yeah right.

    Seems to be that anyone not processing new sign-ups with Ibill might as well just kiss their rebills goodbye, whether its tens of thousands in monthly recurrings or just hundreds. "New sign-ups," I believe, means new sign-ups within a 30 day period. However, they don't even clarify how many you have to be sending inorder to be considered active. Why would anyone that they are doing this to pay for traffic to generate Ibill sign-ups, if they are most likely not going to get paid???? This is bullshit!
  • Fake Nick
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jul 2004
    • 7708

    #2
    SodomHussein ? ? wtf ?

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    • xclusive
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Apr 2004
      • 35218

      #3
      that's fucked up

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      • SmokeyTheBear
        ►SouthOfHeaven
        • Jun 2004
        • 28609

        #4
        most peeps are just sending them a few token signups to get the rebills
        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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        • SodomHussein
          Registered User
          • Nov 2002
          • 28

          #5
          I guess the options are:

          1. Send them a couple of charity joins a month.

          2. Cancel all current memberships, send the amount owed from Ibill to a collection agency or attorney. And e-mail current members to re-signup under merchant account.

          3. Cancel and refund all members for ALL monies not paid out on.

          Hmmmmm. This has to be the most pathetic excuse I have ever seen to not pay webmasters. They are pathetic and just trying to hold onto every cent they can.

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          • brand0n
            been very busy
            • Nov 2002
            • 26983

            #6
            if you send them 2 sign ups a week your still active.

            commies
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            • SodomHussein
              Registered User
              • Nov 2002
              • 28

              #7
              I almost forgot....

              Option 4. Take Ibill stock options instead of cash. HAHAHA

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              • davethetruth
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2004
                • 2806

                #8
                We thought about doing this a few years ago, but decided against it.

                From the sponsor's point of view: Why should we still pay webmasters that sent a thousand sales back in 1997, and haven't sent a single hit since then?
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                • SodomHussein
                  Registered User
                  • Nov 2002
                  • 28

                  #9
                  Why should us webmasters have to send them any new sign-ups if we don't wish to? What they are doing amounts to extortion. I know this wasn't in the agreements I signed with them.

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                  • Damian_Maxcash
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 12745

                    #10
                    Are they going to process them??

                    If they do that is just stealing....Plain and simple

                    They really are fucking C unts!

                    And DaveTheTruth, what program are u talking about?.... I will add to my list of sponsors never to touch

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                    • SodomHussein
                      Registered User
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 28

                      #11
                      This is happening to so many people but they just don't know. A friend of mine is owed some $20k on his SMID for a few of months recurrings and wasn't even aware they stopped paying him. He is using Ibill Europe. Ibill must be making a fortune by not paying people.

                      This is like operating a click-thru on a massive scale, and just deciding on a whim to stopping millions of dollars in monthly payouts to people that decide to stop sending traffic to your program, for whatever reason.

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                      • fedfest
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2002
                        • 1334

                        #12
                        Originally posted by davethetruth
                        From the sponsor's point of view: Why should we still pay webmasters that sent a thousand sales back in 1997, and haven't sent a single hit since then?
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                        • Shoplifter
                          Richest man in Babylon
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 5849

                          #13
                          I've never seen anyone I know of say that this is the case. If it is it's certainly bad business.
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                          • BergyK
                            Etology Project Manager
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 1001

                            #14
                            All I can say is IBILL "BIG BUNCH OF FUCKING CROOKS" I WANT MY MONEY ASSHOLES

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                            • SodomHussein
                              Registered User
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 28

                              #15
                              You are absolutley right that it is bad business. Unfortunately, this is the case. Just got off the phone with them an hour ago asking why they haven't gotten back to me on my "case number," eventhough its been some 4 weeks. The answer the chic on the phone gave was their policy from upper management is to withhold payments to webmasters not sending active signups, until they start sending new sign-ups.

                              Anyone planning on building up a bunch of recurrings with Ibill and then retiring? FORGET ABOUT IT.

                              Anyone that has recurrings from the past and isn't actively using Ibill, I suggest you check your stats to see how much they haven't paid you. You may be in for a shocker.

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                              • tony299
                                lurker
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 57021

                                #16
                                Does any body take the time to read the terms and conditions before signing up for things? Its always been you stop sending new your account is held for 6 months. Thats not new .

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                                • SodomHussein
                                  Registered User
                                  • Nov 2002
                                  • 28

                                  #17
                                  Tony404,

                                  This is Ibills service agreement. No where does it even state this on there:

                                  USA Webmasters:
                                  https://www.ibill.com/about/Service_...l_Complete.cfm

                                  EU Webmasters
                                  https://www.ibill.com/about/Service_...omplete_EU.cfm

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                                  • Fabien
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2003
                                    • 4789

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by SodomHussein
                                    Why should us webmasters have to send them any new sign-ups if we don't wish to? What they are doing amounts to extortion. I know this wasn't in the agreements I signed with them.
                                    Like
                                    HE'S DAMN RIGHT ?????

                                    Would you send them signups not knowing if you would be paid ?

                                    Now get serious here !
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                                    • sonofsam
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Dec 2004
                                      • 18647

                                      #19
                                      i've heard nothing but bad things about ibill :s
                                      I like turtles.

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                                      • tony299
                                        lurker
                                        • Aug 2002
                                        • 57021

                                        #20
                                        25. Term:
                                        The term of this Service Agreement shall be for 12 months beginning upon execution of this document by Client and subsequent acceptance by iBill, and shall automatically renew at the end of each consecutive 12 month period unless iBill receives written notice of non-renewal from Client no less than 30 days prior to the expiration of such 12 month period. iBill reserves the right to terminate this Agreement without cause upon 30 days prior notification to Client. iBill may further terminate this Agreement immediately without notice at any time Client breaches any part of this Agreement. Upon termination, notice of non-renewal or cancellation of this Agreement payment shall be made in accordance with the Section entitled "Payment", above.

                                        If you dont give notice of cancelation , then thats a breach of the agreement.

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                                        • Fabien
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 4789

                                          #21
                                          Sue ?
                                          Hummmm

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                                          • Damian_Maxcash
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 12745

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                            25. Term:
                                            The term of this Service Agreement shall be for 12 months beginning upon execution of this document by Client and subsequent acceptance by iBill, and shall automatically renew at the end of each consecutive 12 month period unless iBill receives written notice of non-renewal from Client no less than 30 days prior to the expiration of such 12 month period. iBill reserves the right to terminate this Agreement without cause upon 30 days prior notification to Client. iBill may further terminate this Agreement immediately without notice at any time Client breaches any part of this Agreement. Upon termination, notice of non-renewal or cancellation of this Agreement payment shall be made in accordance with the Section entitled "Payment", above.

                                            If you dont give notice of cancelation , then thats a breach of the agreement.
                                            Im probably being dim here, but I cant see how this has anything to do with what we are talking about?

                                            Can you explain?

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                                            • detoxed
                                              vip member
                                              • Jan 2003
                                              • 17798

                                              #23
                                              sucks .

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                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                • Jun 2004
                                                • 28609

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by damian2001
                                                Im probably being dim here, but I cant see how this has anything to do with what we are talking about?

                                                Can you explain?
                                                Basically its fairly open ended , they mean if you stop doing business with them (without notification), they can withhold payment's

                                                Thats why the other ibill option is to cancel your account and get paid in 6 months.
                                                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                • Damian_Maxcash
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 12745

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                  Basically its fairly open ended , they mean if you stop doing business with them (without notification), they can withhold payment's

                                                  Thats why the other ibill option is to cancel your account and get paid in 6 months.
                                                  My understanding is you have a business relationship with them until the last customer cancels their rebill. As the contract is auto renewed at the end of 12 months unless they term the relationship they cant do this.

                                                  But your right, it is very open ended. At the end of the day it would be a case of who has the most expensive lawyer.

                                                  It fucking stinks whatever way you look at it though

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                                                  • Webby
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 14956

                                                    #26
                                                    Basically iBill is already in breach of contract. It is ironic anyone pays attention to a contract that has been breached. Try that on a judge and see how long any purported exisiting contract holds up!

                                                    The issue is iBill's inability to pay it's creditors/clients.

                                                    I'd like to see any officer of iBill mutter bullshit to me about not paying recurring billing when they are already up to their necks in existing unpaid amounts.

                                                    If anyone has such info... it would be interesting to see it. :-)
                                                    XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                    • girlzshow
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                      • 36

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by davethetruth
                                                      We thought about doing this a few years ago, but decided against it.

                                                      From the sponsor's point of view: Why should we still pay webmasters that sent a thousand sales back in 1997, and haven't sent a single hit since then?
                                                      This isn't the same thing. We haven't been paid since 9/22 for joins, and that's why we aren't sending signups.

                                                      Besides, if you make a deal that you pay for recurring memberships, then I think that's what you should do.

                                                      This whole conversation is surreal. Who's getting paid anyway?
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                                                      • flashfire
                                                        ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 13098

                                                        #28
                                                        what a bunch of fags...thats not what I signed up for

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                                                        • Aric
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                          • 1209

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                          Basically its fairly open ended , they mean if you stop doing business with them (without notification), they can withhold payment's
                                                          Technically, aren't recurring membership payments still "doing business" with them? Or does it mean "new fresh meat business"?
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                                                          • - Jesus Christ -
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                            • 7197

                                                            #30
                                                            Scumbags.

                                                            Amen

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                                                            • Hinc
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                              • 2577

                                                              #31
                                                              I dont like their method - but still...wouldnt the easiest thing still be to keep the account active (like offering ibill as billing option number 10 - and then sending a single signup once in a rare while....?)
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                                                              • Dcat
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Aug 2003
                                                                • 1607

                                                                #32
                                                                I just received a bounced affiliate check from IBill today.

                                                                IBill

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                                                                • Dawgy
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 5856

                                                                  #33
                                                                  the eternal question remains:

                                                                  WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MONEY THEY ARE COLLECTING FROM SURFERS?????

                                                                  why do they need a loan to pay current payout
                                                                  the revolution is coming.

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                                                                  • Veterans Day
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                    • 8403

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Don't worry Tony404 and Mandy Blake will still be here telling you everything is ok and IBill is doing ok and trying to make it work, even after filing for bankruptcy. You 2 goons are made for each other and still belies me as to why you suck thier nuts so hard, you must be gettin paid by ibill huh? Low down scumbags is what IBill amounts too. prepare to get fucked. Even if they make it through, NOONE I know would touch a sponsor using IBill, they are dead while still being alive.
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                                                                    • Webby
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                      • 14956

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Dcat:

                                                                      I just received a bounced affiliate check from IBill today.
                                                                      Off the top of your head - you know when that bounced check was issued?

                                                                      Everything has meaning when the jigsaw is assembled :-)
                                                                      XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                      • pxxx
                                                                        First African GFY Member
                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                        • 12114

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                        Don't worry Tony404 and Mandy Blake will still be here telling you everything is ok and IBill is doing ok and trying to make it work, even after filing for bankruptcy. You 2 goons are made for each other and still belies me as to why you suck thier nuts so hard, you must be gettin paid by ibill huh? Low down scumbags is what IBill amounts too. prepare to get fucked. Even if they make it through, NOONE I know would touch a sponsor using IBill, they are dead while still being alive.
                                                                        You couldn't have said it any better.

                                                                        I would take them to court to get every single penny they owe me. Good thing i wasn't affected by this.

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                                                                        • Dcat
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 1607

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Webby
                                                                          Dcat:



                                                                          Off the top of your head - you know when that bounced check was issued?

                                                                          Everything has meaning when the jigsaw is assembled :-)
                                                                          Let me follow up with my bank before I say anything further. It could be anything at this point. Problems on my end, or problems on their end, who knows? All my other IBill checks that I cashed at the same time have cleared without problem.

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                                                                          • Dawgy
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                            • 5856

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                            Even if they make it through, NOONE I know would touch a sponsor using IBill, they are dead while still being alive.
                                                                            i know tons of people still sending to ibill supported companies, like ars, who ive heard are being paid & have never missed a payment. which makes me wonder if ibill will survive, marc is a smart guy and i cant see him gambling like that if he wasnst confident theyd pull thru...

                                                                            still tho, what ibill is doing is criminal and i hope they fry.
                                                                            the revolution is coming.

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                                                                            • Veterans Day
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                              • 8403

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                                              i know tons of people still sending to ibill supported companies, like ars, who ive heard are being paid & have never missed a payment. which makes me wonder if ibill will survive, marc is a smart guy and i cant see him gambling like that if he wasnst confident theyd pull thru...

                                                                              still tho, what ibill is doing is criminal and i hope they fry.
                                                                              Different story imo, does ARS pay the webmaster directly? If so theres your answer as to why people send joins to companies that still use IBill.
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                                                                              • Dawgy
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                • 5856

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                Different story imo, does ARS pay the webmaster directly? If so theres your answer as to why people send joins to companies that still use IBill.
                                                                                of course. just surprising someone so large would gamble with ibill.
                                                                                the revolution is coming.

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                                                                                • Aric
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                  • 1209

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                                                  i know tons of people still sending to ibill supported companies, like ars, who ive heard are being paid & have never missed a payment. which makes me wonder if ibill will survive, marc is a smart guy and i cant see him gambling like that if he wasnst confident theyd pull thru...

                                                                                  still tho, what ibill is doing is criminal and i hope they fry.
                                                                                  Maybe you don't know the whole story?
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                                                                                  • Hinc
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                                                                                    • Oct 2004
                                                                                    • 2577

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I´d be surprised if anyone knwew the full story...
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                                                                                    • Screaming
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                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                      • 18972

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      another excuse on the long line of them

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                                                                                      • SodomHussein
                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                        • 28

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                                                        i know tons of people still sending to ibill supported companies, like ars, who ive heard are being paid & have never missed a payment. which makes me wonder if ibill will survive, marc is a smart guy and i cant see him gambling like that if he wasnst confident theyd pull thru...

                                                                                        still tho, what ibill is doing is criminal and i hope they fry.

                                                                                        Perhaps ARS is using Ibill as their gateway and has their own merchant account. If that is the case, Ibill isn't making payments to them. They are just scrubbing and acting as the gateway to ARS's processor. If that is not the case, than Ibill is probably selectively paying whom they choose and fucking off the rest of the webmasters that don't send them a lot of business. However, if this it the case, given Ibill's past performance, its likely that once ARS stops sending new sign-ups they won't get paid either.

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                                                                                        • Webby
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 14956

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          SodomHussein:

                                                                                          If that is not the case, than Ibill is probably selectively paying whom they choose and fucking off the rest of the webmasters that don't send them a lot of business.
                                                                                          There is definately selective payouts happening. Some webmasters have not been paid for months - even before shit hit the fan - and other have been paid "relatively" up to date.

                                                                                          This is a mixed bag as far as is known - some are smaller revenue generators, others more substantial. The sampling I know of are a mix of both US and EU webmasters - tho why the fuck the EU has not been paid, hell knows. There is no known problem with EU bank payments to iBill and it would appear they are taking the EU bank funds and allocating as they see fit into one melting pot.
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                                                                                          • ibill-fraud
                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                            • Jan 2005
                                                                                            • 65

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            It use to be back in the old days before the Jason scam team took over, you always had the option of switching to Ibill's processing plus which meant you got your own merchant account and just used Ibill's software as a gateway paying a flat fee of $1 per transaction. This way you were paid daily from your merchant. But now they won't let you move your rebills over to processing plus.

                                                                                            Well come payday, will be interesting to see just how many people Ibill decides to screw over. And the people that do get paid will probably have to wait at least another 2 months to get another 2 weeks worth of pay.

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                                                                                            • jennycards
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                              • 1124

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Hello xxxx,

                                                                                              Thank you for contacting the iBill Payables Department.

                                                                                              In regards to your request:

                                                                                              *****
                                                                                              I placed an iBill signup button on our webpage again and am also
                                                                                              receiving some sign-ups.

                                                                                              Would you please confirm my account has been re-activated for payouts.
                                                                                              *****

                                                                                              iBill has received three signups for this month therefore, we are unable to resume payout at this time. Once the volume of new signups coming from your site then your account then another review of your account can be done to resume payout.
                                                                                              Any changes that will affect payout needs to be done at least 10 business days before the next scheduled payout.
                                                                                              So don't believe it's enough to send them a FEW signups.

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                                                                                              • DarkJedi
                                                                                                No Refunds Issued.
                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                • 28301

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Set them up as a secondary processor.

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                                                                                                  • jennycards
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                                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                                    • 1124

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                    Set them up as a secondary processor.
                                                                                                    I did that. See my posting above!
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