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Rob · 01-07-2005, 11:39 AM

So I'm watching some of the ongoing Tsunami coverage, and some of the video footage and photos that keep rolling in illustrating the full extent of the tragedy. The pics of crying mothers who have lost their children, the video footage of a fathers who saw his child and wife swept away, etc....and it tears at my heart. If you have any compassion in your being, this stuff sticks with you.

And then I had a thought: I wonder if we'd all be reacting so strongly - contributing money and supplies, praying for the lost and the orphaned, etc - if we didn't have the benefit of the pics and videos. Seeing footage of the tragedy makes even the most hardened souls among us flinch and mumble prayers. To a man, we know that if we could have done something to avert such a tragedy, we would have.

And then I wondered: If we'd all seen vivid pictures and footage of Hitler's Nazis killing Jews, Poles, Russians, etc. by the millions, would we feel the same sickening sense of heartache and loss, likely amplified by the fact that human hands perpetuated such horror, not an Act of God? Of course we would. By the same token, if we had film of Saddam's regime mutilating prisoners, sodomizing and dismembering women and children, running bodies through woodchippers, slaughtering Kurds by the hundreds and dumping them into pits, etc., would we all feel different about our president (and his cabinet's) decision to overthrow a sadistic regime? I mean, it's one thing to hear about the hundreds of thousands of innocent people Saddam had murdered (far more than were lost by this latest natural disaster), but quite another to witness it.

My point: Our military - and our president - liberated a country, freed an oppressed people and saved hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives by making a tough decision. Belittle him if you will, but if you do, don't pretend to feel compassion for the suffering of the hapless souls in Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc. All life is valuable, and taking bold steps that free a people and save lives is noble and worthwhile, no matter how you spin it.

Screaming · 01-07-2005, 11:41 AM

i feel sickness and horror for it all, i dont beleive in war and i dont think people have the right to kill others in the name of anything, including god

s9ann0 · 01-07-2005, 12:00 PM

>> My point: Our military - and our president - liberated a country, freed an oppressed people and saved hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives by making a tough decision

hahahahahha I know its a cliche but you are fucking dumb yank man!

rambler · 01-07-2005, 12:32 PM

"...My point: Our military - and our president - liberated a country, freed an oppressed people and saved hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives by making a tough decision....."

Please inform yourself with some real facts

Ironhorse · 01-07-2005, 12:39 PM

You forgot to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Rorschach · 01-07-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HighOnAcid

My point: Our military - and our president - liberated a country, freed an oppressed people and saved hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives by making a tough decision. Belittle him if you will, but if you do, don't pretend to feel compassion for the suffering of the hapless souls in Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc. All life is valuable, and taking bold steps that free a people and save lives is noble and worthwhile, no matter how you spin it.

you're talking a complete load of shit, most of the killing in iraq has been americans killing the locals. iraq is 100% about oil, gw couldn't care less about humanitarian causes. go and look for some fallujah videos, they will show you just how the US is "liberating" people.

Ironhorse · 01-07-2005, 12:42 PM

The two things you are comparing are a bit like apples and oranges, whereas the Tsunami was a natural event, the other horrors you mention are man made and part of war which any decent person should abhorre, who is really on the right side of any armed conflict? people die one way or the other and the outcome is often subject to propaganda dictated by the winner.

01-07-2005, 11:39 AM	#1
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	Tsunami Musings and the War on Iraq. So I'm watching some of the ongoing Tsunami coverage, and some of the video footage and photos that keep rolling in illustrating the full extent of the tragedy. The pics of crying mothers who have lost their children, the video footage of a fathers who saw his child and wife swept away, etc....and it tears at my heart. If you have any compassion in your being, this stuff sticks with you. And then I had a thought: I wonder if we'd all be reacting so strongly - contributing money and supplies, praying for the lost and the orphaned, etc - if we didn't have the benefit of the pics and videos. Seeing footage of the tragedy makes even the most hardened souls among us flinch and mumble prayers. To a man, we know that if we could have done something to avert such a tragedy, we would have. And then I wondered: If we'd all seen vivid pictures and footage of Hitler's Nazis killing Jews, Poles, Russians, etc. by the millions, would we feel the same sickening sense of heartache and loss, likely amplified by the fact that human hands perpetuated such horror, not an Act of God? Of course we would. By the same token, if we had film of Saddam's regime mutilating prisoners, sodomizing and dismembering women and children, running bodies through woodchippers, slaughtering Kurds by the hundreds and dumping them into pits, etc., would we all feel different about our president (and his cabinet's) decision to overthrow a sadistic regime? I mean, it's one thing to hear about the hundreds of thousands of innocent people Saddam had murdered (far more than were lost by this latest natural disaster), but quite another to witness it. My point: Our military - and our president - liberated a country, freed an oppressed people and saved hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives by making a tough decision. Belittle him if you will, but if you do, don't pretend to feel compassion for the suffering of the hapless souls in Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc. All life is valuable, and taking bold steps that free a people and save lives is noble and worthwhile, no matter how you spin it. __________________

01-07-2005, 11:41 AM	#2
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	i feel sickness and horror for it all, i dont beleive in war and i dont think people have the right to kill others in the name of anything, including god __________________

01-07-2005, 12:39 PM	#5
Ironhorse Pixel Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,093	You forgot to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki __________________ [email protected]

01-07-2005, 12:42 PM	#7
Ironhorse Pixel Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,093	The two things you are comparing are a bit like apples and oranges, whereas the Tsunami was a natural event, the other horrors you mention are man made and part of war which any decent person should abhorre, who is really on the right side of any armed conflict? people die one way or the other and the outcome is often subject to propaganda dictated by the winner. __________________ [email protected]

01-07-2005, 12:00 PM	#3
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	>> My point: Our military - and our president - liberated a country, freed an oppressed people and saved hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives by making a tough decision hahahahahha I know its a cliche but you are fucking dumb yank man!

01-07-2005, 12:32 PM	#4
rambler Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 745	"...My point: Our military - and our president - liberated a country, freed an oppressed people and saved hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives by making a tough decision....." Please inform yourself with some real facts