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Tipsy · 01-05-2005, 05:57 PM

50 checks that are 'in the post'

e-god · 01-05-2005, 06:03 PM

very good news

jimmyf · 01-05-2005, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Headless

If it smells like shit...

tony286 · 01-05-2005, 06:54 PM

I think 2 mil will cover alot more then your thinking . THere arent that many over million dollar adult web companies out there processing with third party processors that ibill has ten of them.

ibill-fraud · 01-05-2005, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

I think 2 mil will cover alot more then your thinking . THere arent that many over million dollar adult web companies out there processing with third party processors that ibill has ten of them.

For all we know that 2 million could be a promissory note from one of Jason's scam buddies running a shell company.

Oh well, would just be another lie added to the list.

Scottybunky · 01-05-2005, 07:07 PM

"Believe when you see it" Lets hope that on the 11th the date doesnt change to the 15th and so on

Its gonna take alot more than 1 check to build any faith back but 1 is better than 0

its the bottom of the 9th with 2 strikes... and the score is 1 to 9

Gettting that check on the 11th will put 1 more point on the board making it 2 to 9

as well what about the promise letters signed regarding October and September 2004's money and the 6 month reserve thats the big chunk

No new news regarding that as well

reynold · 01-05-2005, 07:11 PM

that's a good news!

CashLikeWhoa_Mike · 01-05-2005, 07:19 PM

everybody say it together: "Keep Hope Alive!!"

I might actually finally see that cash they owe me

tony286 · 01-05-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibill-fraud

For all we know that 2 million could be a promissory note from one of Jason's scam buddies running a shell company.

Oh well, would just be another lie added to the list.

they paid people today,so it had to be real money. For someone who is owed money,you seem bent on bringing the company down.
Who do you work ???????

dcortez · 01-05-2005, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyGold-Doug

We were days away from setting up a referral system with Ibill.
I feel for all those that got in all this hot water, I hope that you all get paid out in full

Beyond the seriously overdue payouts, the problem of getting any webmaster to sign up to an iBill affiliate program is very real for anyone that dares continuing with them.

It's one thing to accept the risk of maybe not getting paid for gkard signups (they have already broken their promise of new (gkard) signups back on the normal payment schedule which they made when they first activated gkard), but still going for gkard (for whatever reason), with all the love lost and distrust in them at this time, using them means not expecting to run an affiliate program because noone will sign up.

I know that the common sentiment is that a 'real' sponsor program does not use blah blah blah, but there are still small site operators who run an honest show and a peewee version of affiliate management is enough - if it works!

-Dino

crockett · 01-05-2005, 07:34 PM

It would be great for them to pull out of this.. but don't kid yourselves. With the amount of business they have lost over this, I can't see them pulling out of it. They owe more than they are billing now.

I mean really if you are still processing new joins with them at any large amount, you have to be crazy. I'm sure all they have left are rebills and guys sending just enough joins to keep their accounts alive.

Cogitator · 01-05-2005, 08:37 PM

At one point they had net revenues of over $1 milllion a day, so I don't see how $2 million is going to fix anything now.

Screaming · 01-05-2005, 09:02 PM

yeah i hope all of you get paid

Sosa · 01-05-2005, 09:03 PM

not expecting to see my money, if it shows up cool but I doubt it.

girlzshow · 01-05-2005, 09:17 PM

How can any of you say that Ibill paid people today?

My cmi statement has not changed since 9/22/04.

Webby · 01-05-2005, 10:08 PM

girlzshow:

Quote:

How can any of you say that Ibill paid people today?

My cmi statement has not changed since 9/22/04.

Course they have not paid anyone! Don't be silly! :-)

I see you are doing well with iBill... there are others that have not been paid for a few months prior to September.

ibill-fraud · 01-05-2005, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

they paid people today,so it had to be real money. For someone who is owed money,you seem bent on bringing the company down.

Company is going down and nothing anyone can do to stop it. But if they payout one or 2 more times before folding up shop, be better for all of us and might keep Jason and the Media Billing guys out of jail so they can start another company with the profits they have made from this deal.

Nuclear · 01-05-2005, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by girlzshow

How can any of you say that Ibill paid people today?

My cmi statement has not changed since 9/22/04.

wyldblyss · 01-05-2005, 10:27 PM

Hey, if iBill can get caught up and back on track I am all for it. The adult industry needs billing companies

DEA - banned for life · 01-05-2005, 10:36 PM

money is money however you look at it.looks like they will be getting 2 mil evey 2 weeks for the next few weeks until it adds up to the magic number wich is rumor has it is ...10mil....what worries me is IBILL stated they got the 2 mil from a "New York fund management company" wich sounds an afull lot like a debt consolidation company ..you know the ones that say ok we will pay your bills for now but every dime you make from here on out will have to go through us first before it touches your hands because your obviously not resposible enough to manage your own imcoming funds correctly and we dont mind making a commision of your lack of buissness sense or ethics
...in other words ibill is not in control of its own funds..OR ...THEY ARE and just added another puppet name to the list of people to blame for the problems wich will ensue with this latest payout update...lets see whos name is on the checks that should have hit the mail TODAY !

TheMob · 01-05-2005, 10:50 PM

so, did they pay out today?

Ron Bennett · 01-05-2005, 11:18 PM

Things likely aren't going to change, but this way ibill can look good at Internext; reduce potential of "trouble" happening.

Ron

Observing · 01-06-2005, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Things likely aren't going to change, but this way ibill can look good at Internext; reduce potential of "trouble" happening.

Ron

Which is the only reason this statement was just made, I am amazed with the number of ppl replying "I might actually see my money". You still MIGHT but I wouldn't trust this public message just yet as it has come at the most possible convinient time for them.

sixxxthsense · 01-06-2005, 01:29 AM

iBill is a bunch of queers!

jayeff · 01-06-2005, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyldblyss

Hey, if iBill can get caught up and back on track I am all for it. The adult industry needs billing companies

I hope you are not serious. Sure, the adult industry needs billing companies, but who in their right minds will ever do business with iBill again?

I want them to get caught up just so one more loss of income isn't added to all the others of the past 2 years. But I will never again touch a sponsor program that processes through iBill. Apart from the obvious risk involved, what would such a choice of processor say about the sponsor's smarts?

killshot · 01-06-2005, 04:08 AM

Well I am glad they finally at least posted something

Lets just hope they stop with the bullshit excuses and pay out

does anyone have a link to the article about ibill losing their trademark?
i dont understand how you lose a trademark
i have a couple trademarks and i have never thought there was a way i could lose them.

Tipsy · 01-06-2005, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

I hope you are not serious. Sure, the adult industry needs billing companies, but who in their right minds will ever do business with iBill again?

I want them to get caught up just so one more loss of income isn't added to all the others of the past 2 years. But I will never again touch a sponsor program that processes through iBill. Apart from the obvious risk involved, what would such a choice of processor say about the sponsor's smarts?

You posted almost exactly what I was going to. The industry DOESN'T need iBill. After all this crap they've more than proven they couldn't run a martket stall selling apples let alone a mutlli-million pound company. What this industry didn't need was for this to happen in the first place.

What we now need is a new, reliable and capable company to pop up. Unlikely to happen given the current climate but stranger things have happened.

quiet · 01-06-2005, 04:27 AM

ah, shit

fktup · 01-06-2005, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMob

so, did they pay out today?

not for me.

MickeyG · 01-06-2005, 08:19 AM

according to ibill checks were issued yesterday but the cmi update is delayed and should be posted by close of business today

TheGuyWhoKnows · 01-06-2005, 08:41 AM

2 millions doesnot even cover whats owed for one major program for this period...

this is a non sense

GVATW

Hinc · 01-06-2005, 09:48 AM

...hmmm well, my account isnt floating with ibill money - yet.

I hope it will, but i wouldnt exactly count on it till the cash was there...

...but anyway, the 2 million might not cover, but on top of those its beyond belief if thats the only cash they have to use for the payouts...afterall, they HAVE been rebilling for a long time without paying out a dime, and some even send one or two new signups...if all of thats gone, there´s no future for them anyhow....

DEA - banned for life · 01-06-2005, 09:54 AM

anyone get a wire from ibll ..seems that will be the quickest way to find out of this is just another feeble attempt to keep stuffin money into black suitcases bound for an island near the equator

MickeyG · 01-06-2005, 10:18 AM

theres a new payment showing up in cmi now, it says Dec 22nd. I cant make any sense of the amounts though.

girlzshow · 01-06-2005, 10:32 AM

The amount is only for the last 2 weeks in November. I does not relect the past due payments. I couldn't figure it out either, and I called the support number.

Anyway, it's something.

Hinc · 01-06-2005, 10:36 AM

Hmmm at least payment for 2 weeks is something i guess...is it both EU and US...or just one???

girlzshow · 01-06-2005, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hinc

Hmmm at least payment for 2 weeks is something i guess...is it both EU and US...or just one???

I don't know about the EU. I am in the US.

Anyway, it is 2 weeks more than I thought I would get.

Damn site is still getting rebills. UGHHH!

SLIMEBALL · 01-06-2005, 10:50 AM

Only A Fool Would Waste His Time With Ibill ,seems There Are Alot Of People On This Thread Wasting Time With Ibill

tony286 · 01-06-2005, 11:15 AM

A few things then I'm done talking about ibill.

Everything on a board is not gospel, there are people that will benefit if ibill goes under and I think they are trying to speed up the process.

First off you cant lose your trademark, secondly if ibill was going to post that to lessen pressure at internext they would of posted it the day before or the first day. Thirdly there are very very few programs that make 2 mil every two weeks. Many comanpies have comeback from the brink only to thrive. I hope ibill can move forward because I want to get paid. If you think if this happened to any other processor that everything would be smooth your kidding yourself, these are not banks we are dealing with.

01-06-2005, 11:50 AM

heh....we wait around $200k from ibill...still do not get nothing.

MickeyG · 01-06-2005, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by girlzshow

The amount is only for the last 2 weeks in November. I does not relect the past due payments. I couldn't figure it out either, and I called the support number.

Anyway, it's something.

I called and was told the payment is for the entire month of November, not just two weeks. I don't know how that could be correct since the amount they've paid out is only like 70% of what I should be paid for November. I've been reffered to revshare accounting to get it sorted out.

But I also want to know wheres the money from the October GKard transactions for revshares. They paid the master accounts these monies why not the revshares? And when are they going to inform the revshares of reimbursement plans for them? Never?

This whole thing is crazy. Im grateful to receive some monies but it surely hasn't made me feel any better that after almost 4 months of no payouts they still can't get it right.

brand0n · 01-06-2005, 12:26 PM

any news?

girlzshow · 01-06-2005, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyG

I called and was told the payment is for the entire month of November, not just two weeks. I don't know how that could be correct since the amount they've paid out is only like 70% of what I should be paid for November. I've been reffered to revshare accounting to get it sorted out.

But I also want to know wheres the money from the October GKard transactions for revshares. They paid the master accounts these monies why not the revshares? And when are they going to inform the revshares of reimbursement plans for them? Never?

This whole thing is crazy. Im grateful to receive some monies but it surely hasn't made me feel any better that after almost 4 months of no payouts they still can't get it right.

Hi, I don't mean to add to the misinformation. I guess maybe Dec 8 AND Dec 22 would be the whole month. (????). However, I only see a Dec 22 statement, and that can't be the whole month of November - it doesn't add up right in my cmi logon.

Anyway, I'm certainly not here with any agenda, other than trying to figure out what's going on. I'm a small fish, but the amount represents money and work from me, and it would pay my rent this month, etc. Ya Know? And yeah...the rent will still be paid. And maybe if I'm lucky, I'll get a check to cover the utilities. If I don't, life will continue, and I guess I'll be a little wiser...like don't depend on any billing company in this business. I've already been down this path with Globill...though that was a tad bit more abrupt.

I resent those of you who are attacking us for just asking though. You act like I should consider it a favor to get paid. I'm just an revsharer. How about the sponsor who put together a unique site that was rebilling like crazy. Maybe they should just consider it a favor to get paid too.

C'mon.

sxs777 · 01-07-2005, 08:49 PM

Hi all.
I was checked last payment of 12/22.
All money in check only for November.

But previous payment was 09/22 for second part of August.
So, i can't view money for September & October.

Hmm....
Very interesting. but where money for two months ???

I'm little bit confused.

Webby · 01-07-2005, 08:58 PM

sxs777:

Quote:

Very interesting. but where money for two months ???

I'm little bit confused.

Dear Confused

Don't ask... payables at iBill would not know either - that's private :-)

Believe me... you are doing well on payments - at least a couple of webmasters that I know have not been paid for about six months now.

But.. I'm sure all our confusion will be cleared before this month is over :-)

sxs777 · 01-07-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

But.. I'm sure all our confusion will be cleared before this month is over :-)

Heh. I'll hope.

Will try to icq Ibill support-manager for answers.

Webby · 01-07-2005, 09:09 PM

tony404:

Quote:

Everything on a board is not gospel, there are people that will benefit if ibill goes under and I think they are trying to speed up the process.

Curious Tony... who would benefit if iBill goes under? Any pending court action would be nulled and assuming it was not a matter of bankruptcy protection under some chapter whatever, - apart from iBill owners dumping the problem on to a liquidator, - they are the only one's to gain, - though they will have lost the share value - but that is cheap in comparison to the debt.

If there is a liquidation we then have the prospect of First Data and any remaining funds being put into a pot and used, not only to split up among webmasters, but also all other iBill creditors - there are plenty of them!

Who gains out of that?

Webby · 01-07-2005, 09:20 PM

tony404:

OK.. Sorry.. I just thought of a way, - but no chance :-) It's called fraud! :-)

inthestars · 01-07-2005, 11:49 PM

At Internext, the guy from Ibill would not comment on the situation during the merchant panel. He wussed out..

01-05-2005, 05:57 PM	#51
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	50 checks that are 'in the post' __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

01-05-2005, 06:03 PM	#52
e-god Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: BabeLand Posts: 1,736	very good news __________________

01-05-2005, 07:07 PM	#56
Scottybunky Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 86	"Believe when you see it" Lets hope that on the 11th the date doesnt change to the 15th and so on Its gonna take alot more than 1 check to build any faith back but 1 is better than 0 its the bottom of the 9th with 2 strikes... and the score is 1 to 9 Gettting that check on the 11th will put 1 more point on the board making it 2 to 9 as well what about the promise letters signed regarding October and September 2004's money and the 6 month reserve thats the big chunk No new news regarding that as well __________________ Scotyty

01-05-2005, 07:19 PM	#58
CashLikeWhoa_Mike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,202	everybody say it together: "Keep Hope Alive!!" I might actually finally see that cash they owe me __________________ --Making serious money for our online partners since 2001-- --Home of the Best Converting Solo Ethnic Girls on the Net-- --ICQ me anytime at 637426291 for help--

01-05-2005, 07:34 PM	#61
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	It would be great for them to pull out of this.. but don't kid yourselves. With the amount of business they have lost over this, I can't see them pulling out of it. They owe more than they are billing now. I mean really if you are still processing new joins with them at any large amount, you have to be crazy. I'm sure all they have left are rebills and guys sending just enough joins to keep their accounts alive. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

01-05-2005, 06:54 PM	#54
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think 2 mil will cover alot more then your thinking . THere arent that many over million dollar adult web companies out there processing with third party processors that ibill has ten of them.

01-05-2005, 07:11 PM	#57
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	that's a good news!

01-05-2005, 08:37 PM	#62
Cogitator Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 672	At one point they had net revenues of over $1 milllion a day, so I don't see how $2 million is going to fix anything now. __________________ - this space intentionally left blank - Last edited by Cogitator; 01-05-2005 at 08:40 PM..

01-05-2005, 09:02 PM	#63
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	yeah i hope all of you get paid __________________

01-05-2005, 09:03 PM	#64
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	not expecting to see my money, if it shows up cool but I doubt it.

01-05-2005, 09:17 PM	#65
girlzshow Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Online Posts: 36	How can any of you say that Ibill paid people today? My cmi statement has not changed since 9/22/04. __________________ PayPerView Videos in every category you ever thought of! Now with Hosted Galleries. Sell On Demand Movies in Your Sleep!! Sell Discount Generic Pills that your surfers will actually pay for!

01-05-2005, 10:27 PM	#69
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	Hey, if iBill can get caught up and back on track I am all for it. The adult industry needs billing companies

01-05-2005, 10:36 PM	#70
DEA - banned for life V.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: InYour Head Posts: 7,886	money is money however you look at it.looks like they will be getting 2 mil evey 2 weeks for the next few weeks until it adds up to the magic number wich is rumor has it is ...10mil....what worries me is IBILL stated they got the 2 mil from a "New York fund management company" wich sounds an afull lot like a debt consolidation company ..you know the ones that say ok we will pay your bills for now but every dime you make from here on out will have to go through us first before it touches your hands because your obviously not resposible enough to manage your own imcoming funds correctly and we dont mind making a commision of your lack of buissness sense or ethics ...in other words ibill is not in control of its own funds..OR ...THEY ARE and just added another puppet name to the list of people to blame for the problems wich will ensue with this latest payout update...lets see whos name is on the checks that should have hit the mail TODAY !

01-05-2005, 10:50 PM	#71
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	so, did they pay out today?

01-05-2005, 11:18 PM	#72
Ron Bennett Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,653	Things likely aren't going to change, but this way ibill can look good at Internext; reduce potential of "trouble" happening. Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

01-06-2005, 01:29 AM	#74
sixxxthsense Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,421	iBill is a bunch of queers!

01-06-2005, 04:08 AM	#76
killshot Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OGG / PDX Posts: 456	Well I am glad they finally at least posted something Lets just hope they stop with the bullshit excuses and pay out does anyone have a link to the article about ibill losing their trademark? i dont understand how you lose a trademark i have a couple trademarks and i have never thought there was a way i could lose them. __________________

01-06-2005, 04:27 AM	#78
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	ah, shit __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

01-06-2005, 08:19 AM	#80
MickeyG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,134	according to ibill checks were issued yesterday but the cmi update is delayed and should be posted by close of business today

01-06-2005, 08:41 AM	#81
TheGuyWhoKnows Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Quebec city, Canada Posts: 160	2 millions doesnot even cover whats owed for one major program for this period... this is a non sense GVATW __________________ ****** ICQ: 663-073-144

01-06-2005, 09:48 AM	#82
Hinc Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,577	...hmmm well, my account isnt floating with ibill money - yet. I hope it will, but i wouldnt exactly count on it till the cash was there... ...but anyway, the 2 million might not cover, but on top of those its beyond belief if thats the only cash they have to use for the payouts...afterall, they HAVE been rebilling for a long time without paying out a dime, and some even send one or two new signups...if all of thats gone, there´s no future for them anyhow.... __________________ webmaster @ adultlist. com AdultList.com - Directory Listings, Advertisements, Hardlinks Loasex.com - Directory and old school TGP - taking submits A few sales/opportunities: High Quality Guest Posts For Sale Network of Aged sites for sales. Get in touch on the email above for info.

01-06-2005, 09:54 AM	#83
DEA - banned for life V.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: InYour Head Posts: 7,886	anyone get a wire from ibll ..seems that will be the quickest way to find out of this is just another feeble attempt to keep stuffin money into black suitcases bound for an island near the equator

01-06-2005, 10:18 AM	#84
MickeyG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,134	theres a new payment showing up in cmi now, it says Dec 22nd. I cant make any sense of the amounts though.

01-06-2005, 10:32 AM	#85
girlzshow Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Online Posts: 36	The amount is only for the last 2 weeks in November. I does not relect the past due payments. I couldn't figure it out either, and I called the support number. Anyway, it's something. __________________ PayPerView Videos in every category you ever thought of! Now with Hosted Galleries. Sell On Demand Movies in Your Sleep!! Sell Discount Generic Pills that your surfers will actually pay for!

01-06-2005, 10:36 AM	#86
Hinc Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,577	Hmmm at least payment for 2 weeks is something i guess...is it both EU and US...or just one??? __________________ webmaster @ adultlist. com AdultList.com - Directory Listings, Advertisements, Hardlinks Loasex.com - Directory and old school TGP - taking submits A few sales/opportunities: High Quality Guest Posts For Sale Network of Aged sites for sales. Get in touch on the email above for info.

01-06-2005, 10:50 AM	#88
SLIMEBALL So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 166	Only A Fool Would Waste His Time With Ibill ,seems There Are Alot Of People On This Thread Wasting Time With Ibill

01-06-2005, 11:15 AM	#89
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	A few things then I'm done talking about ibill. Everything on a board is not gospel, there are people that will benefit if ibill goes under and I think they are trying to speed up the process. First off you cant lose your trademark, secondly if ibill was going to post that to lessen pressure at internext they would of posted it the day before or the first day. Thirdly there are very very few programs that make 2 mil every two weeks. Many comanpies have comeback from the brink only to thrive. I hope ibill can move forward because I want to get paid. If you think if this happened to any other processor that everything would be smooth your kidding yourself, these are not banks we are dealing with. Last edited by tony299; 01-06-2005 at 11:16 AM..

01-06-2005, 11:50 AM	#90
Alex Xe Guest Posts: n/a	heh....we wait around $200k from ibill...still do not get nothing.

01-06-2005, 12:26 PM	#92
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01-07-2005, 08:49 PM	#94
sxs777 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 19	Hi all. I was checked last payment of 12/22. All money in check only for November. But previous payment was 09/22 for second part of August. So, i can't view money for September & October. Hmm.... Very interesting. but where money for two months ??? I'm little bit confused.

01-07-2005, 09:20 PM	#98
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	tony404: OK.. Sorry.. I just thought of a way, - but no chance :-) It's called fraud! :-) __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

01-07-2005, 11:49 PM	#99
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	At Internext, the guy from Ibill would not comment on the situation during the merchant panel. He wussed out..