SexyDollEyes

A Principal choked your child and wrestled him to the ground? This is what happen to my child friday I have been to numerous meeting filed charges and now they want to expell him from the school district. There saying he assaulted the principal. NOT TRUE.. So you with children . How would you handle this??

Phiber

How old is he? Not the Principal the kid.

Gary

I have 4 kids, and if theres one thing ive learned its, never believe your children.

And as a former student who's been attacked by a handful of teachers over the years, I can tell you I drove them to it and educators dont go to school LOOKING to kick a little ass.

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Ouch,

1. I would tell my kid that I would support him but that he had better level with me right now, because if I supported him and found out later that he was guilty I would beat his ass more than 100 principles could.

If he still said he didn't do it.

2. I would start questioning every staff member, student, etc.. looking for anyone who might have seen it.

3. I would make sure that I had pictures, medical records if there were any bruises around my kids throat area or any other place.

4. I would call the local news stations and get some media coverage, they usually slant things in the way of the victim for sympathy.

5. Call the school board and tell them that if action isn't taken against the principle that you will pursue legal action against them. There is NO EXCUSE for choking a child.

6. Call attorneys, when the school makes it hard for you to look for witnesses, the attorneys can get a lot more done.

7. Stay on top of the police investigations, find out who they have questioned, what information they have, etc.. Let them know that this isn't going away, also why it would be nice to have the medias involvement, they have to make more of an effort when being watched so close.

Good luck,
RD

If all else failed, I would call the court clerks office and find out how much bail would be for an assult and battery charge, then I would drive to the bank and withdraw that amount. Then I would drive to the school and beat the principles ass.

RockDaddy

LOL Gary

ALL my kids will steal your wallet and help you look for it.


RD

SexyDollEyes

He is 13, A bright and good kid, We've taught him manners and respect, and when to be aggressive and when not too , Now I have had problems with this principal for 2 years every since we've moved here. Now I know my kid is not perfect, But, here is what happened, Him and 3 other boys were playing soccer on the soccer field, One boy had tackled my boy, and thru him to the ground, Well the principal called all the boys over and began yelling at them. Telling them that they was playing too rough, Well boys will be boys, Trevor was not hurt they were playing Extreme soccer the boys call it, Well the boy that knocked down my boy explained this to the principal, and then trevor spoke up and said that slide tackle hurt worse than the slide tackle, and then the principal looked at trevor and said, shut up if I want you opinion I'll ask for it, so trevor said ok, and then all the boys started walking away to get in line to get back in class, Well he grabbed trevor by the hood of his shirt and jerked him back. swung him around and grabbed his arm squeezing it. So then therefore Trevor reacted he was being hurt and turned around with his right arm slamming it into the principal arm to get loose , he then tackled him to the ground. My point is Why Was he the only one that was reprimanded for this when he was the one in the first place that was knocked down by this other boy. This man has gave my son nothing but problems for 2 years. And Trevor feels picked on by this man. I's a rough situation. Now I know trevor should have not swung back but he felt threatened. and pointed out when none of the other boys was. But my point is why does he have to use extreme force with him, Trevor would have never reacted if he was not provoked, he done nothing wrong. Now I'm not saying he was in the right but this prncipal and my son clash. he doesn't get a fair shake. I have heard this time and time again with him.

Gary

It totally sucks. I feel for you and i feel for my parents. In this situation, it sounds like theres a little blame to spread around.

But let me say this, you will NEVER get more than 60% truth out of any child. That drops to 40% when they are with their friends. The child you see at home, is not the same person who hangs out with his friends.

I say change schools.

CDSmith

It seems like these days we need video cameras everywhere, all the time, so that when something like this happens we can rewind the moment and play it back. So many "his word against yours" situations would be solved instantly.

There should be some sort of investigation, definitely. I don't know any of the facts or what the different parties are saying in their own defenses, but I wouldn't be so quick to takes sides just yet. (and that's hard when it's your own child involved) But really, shit happens, and kids can sometimes do things at school that they normally would never do at home.

Certain questions come to my mind:
Has this principal ever exhibited any sort of similar violence before with other kids?
What has been the nature of the relationship between your kid and that principal? (good, bad, on shakey ground...ect?)
What do eye-witnesses have to say?
What is the principal's reason for getting so rough? (I mean, what is he saying happened?)

I know it's hard as a mother to doubt your own kid. It was different for me when growing up, in that if I were to have trouble from an adult and run home to my dad, my dad would say first "what the hell did you do to deserve that?" and if my answer wasn't sufficient I got a second beating. I learned not to get mouthy with adults. But nowadays you see 5 year olds telling adults to fuck off, because they know that if the adult touches them they can sue or have some heavy-handed government agency all over the adult.

Once in a while there's bound to be an adult that says "enough" and get's tough with a kid who's out of line in the extreme. I guess what I'm saying is the only way to handle this is to try and find out what really happened, and try to do it without prejudice. Why? Because IF it turns out that your kid was out of his mind and needed controling fast, then you aren't doing him any favors by taking his side just because you're his mom.

And, I never said it should be easy. It isn't, I know. Good luck with this mess, I hope things get resolved quickly for you.
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SexyDollEyes

Hahahah RockDaddy;-) Too funny

Phiber

I dont have kids but it wasn't that long ago I was one . And I have had lots of experince with kids.

Nomather what happend you dont choke a kid. If he has a gun, call the cops. If he tries to beat you up. Then just take a firm grip and get him to calm down.

If that teacher is strong enough to get the upper hand on the kid then he sure would be able to keep him calm even if the kid (i'm not saying he was) was pissed like hell and just wanted a to kick some butt.

When I where young I often got in trouble and tried to beat up a couple of teachers but they never hit me. They just hold me so I couldn't make any more trouble and now I understand that this was the best thing for me.

If you beat a kid that is out of line he will most likely get more pissed and come back for more. But if you can get him calm and talk to him he doesn't get that "I'll kill you for beating me up" feeling.

So the teacher where wayyy out of line when he choked your kid.

CDSmith

Okay, in light of all this new information, then yes definitely I would be all over this principal. There is no excuse for getting physical like that with your students, unless the student is himself violent in the extreme and a danger to others.

This guy should not be a principal. You don't want him doing this shit to other kids for years to come, maybe breaking someone's arm or worse. Get a lawyer, have the lawyer talk to witnesses of the incident, and have this principal charged with assaulting a minor.

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SexyDollEyes

Yes he has with other kids, Quite a few parents have had run ins with him, Even my lawyers kids, that go to that school. The chief of police has even told me that they have been trying to get this principal out of the school here for years.
The relationship between trevor and him is not good. Trevor doesn't like him he feels picked on by this man and from what I have seen I feel he doesn't like trevor. The whole 6th grade call saw everything and there saying trevor didn't do anything wrong. And as far as the principal, he lied at the board meeting and added certain things that didn't even take place tomake himself look good to the board. My first meeting with him when going to pick trevor up from school his whole story was different than that which he told the school board. One being I think he was afraid of the outcome because I have done filed charges. So he had to make it look like trevor was in the wrong. He is shady, Have you evermet someone and automatically gotten bad vibes?? Well this is how this man is, first impressions mean alot to me and this man is shady.

stangster

Do you really think that a principal would choke your kid and really believe he could get away with it?

You were once a kid..

Set aside your emotional attachments towards your child for a moment and think back when you were 13 and in DEEP TROUBLE.

Were you 100% honest with your parents?

Not I..

BUT if it is entirely accurate and true..I'd sue the school board.



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CDSmith

Hell, sue everybody that is serving to enable this jack-off to continue working as a principal. Take a statement from the police chief that told you that they've been trying to get rid of this guy for years. Take signed statements from anyone that has any information about his past behaviours, and find out why the fucking school board wants to keep him on in light of all the evidence you've collected. sue sue sue!!!

SexyDollEyes

I know my kid is not perfect but he knows right from wrong. he has told the repeated story to law enforcement, me and his father, the superintendat and the school board and all the same details that he has told everyone else, the word was different but it's the same basic story, I also told him that if he did not thell the truth even the the officer that he would be punished here at home for lieing. Now I know kidslie to keep from getting into trouble, But I have raised 4 kids and I can tell when my kids are lieing or telling the truth, it's a mother instinct or intuition , none the less, this principal was in the wrong, there is better ways of disciplining a child than grabbing them by the hood of there shirt and choking them. I could see maybe see this is the kid was being violent and the principal felt threatened But, He wasn't, until after he was provoked and choke. YEs I am a little over protected my him he is my baby and youngest of 4, and my only son. So I tend to be more aware of what goes on with him;-)

stangster

I remember when I was in school, the principal had a fricken paddle and was authorized to use it!!

Man.. things sure have changed, eh?

You sound like a good mom...support your child and sue the board. Not for money..just to get that fuck out.

Good luck.

E-van

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now, seriously:
I'm sorry about what happened to your kid, I have teached before, and I know some teachers that don't deserve the name, they are mean to kids and bring their personal problems to the school (the whole psychological crap about power)

I'd get all the facts straight, make sure your son is 100% right (you seem to be sure of it by now), maybe even hire a PI to find about any incidents on the principal's past, and then go straight to court, don't even go to the school boards meeting without a lawyer. This will prove them that you're serious, and convinced that your kid is right, if the sheriff says he was in trouble before, bring this forth all over.

Persistence is the only way you'll get over this...

good luck!


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Exxxotica

Id beat my kid for assulting the principal. Then Id beat myself for having such a kid.

At least the principal only choked your son, and not his chicken.

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tenletters

The very first thing I would do is put my child on a lie detector. Most go PIs have one but you maybe could talk the Sheriff into it as well.

I had a bad runin with a principle. He made me sit on a bench (playing too rough). He then went inside the building and watched me through tinted glass. When a friend came and asked why I was sitting I said, "That jerk Middleton made me sit down". The principle had been reading my lips, he threw open the door, grabbed me by the arm, and drug me to the office. I was expelled for the rest of the year.

My parents didn't believe me when I told them that he assualted me and never did anything. I lost all respect for my parents that day.

Make sure your son isn't lying and then if you find he is telling the truth... burn that school, and principle, for every dime they have.

If your son is lying, take him to that principle's house and let the man kick his no good ass.

FADE19

Hire O.J.! to take out the principal

Speedy26

if it really happened that way i would start out by beating the shit out of the principal.
just wait till schools out and hes walking to his car : )

[Labret]

Amen!

Common sense is a dangerous thing.

I hate those parent who are blind to the fact that their little angel is a little bastard.

I would be a teacher for 4 hours before I choked some baggy pants smart mouth little motherfucker.

Teenagers, all completely worthless.

mailman

no worries i will cut of the principals mail

just doing my job

Naughty

Gary is SO right.

I am a descent guy, but I did steal some bikes in my younger years to get some extra money. I was caught once after a high speed chase (like Boneprone), only on my bike through 3 parts of the city (instead of counties ).
I told my parents i found the bike in the water, but technical research showed the bike has not been in the water. I just said: "Well, maybe it was thrown in there just before I got there..". I can talk my way out of almost anything, and I did then. After my father said he would get his lawyer, they let me off with a warning (instead of probation ). I was about 14 then.
Nobody knew I was lying my ass off, or at least that is what I think. Gary is right, kids lie every time, all the time!!



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Naughty

but this prncipal and my son clash

This shit happens, don't you have that sometimes, somebody walk in the room, and without you knowing that person, you just KNOW this is not somebody you wanna know or even talk to. Maybe that is the case here...
If it is, it will never be solved.


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titmowse

doll,

I don't think it's right for an adult authority to lay their hands on a child in anger or in an abusive way. I also know each situation has it's own set of progressive circumstances.

An outside assessment of your son's encounter is probably in order. If you feel that your son was truly assaulted, then go to the police.

I have a girl and am not wise in the ways of raising men from boys. I do know the difference between grabbing a kid by the hood of a sweatshirt and a punch in the face.

I guess my response is: "Is this the battle you want your son to pick"?

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Speedy26

there are bad teachers out there people. yes most of the time the kid might start it.

i saw a teacher hit a kid because the kid was running his mouth and told the teacher to fuck off, it was a teacher at my highschool. if it wasnt for me and a few other people that saw it, the teacher would have got away with it because his side of the story was that the kid started swinging at him and he was just defending himself.

but it was BS 5 people saw it happen, the teacher got fired.

so even know kids are evil, there not allways wrong!

SexyDollEyes

Would you really beat your child??? Knowing principaL ASSAULTED MY CHILD FIRST......... and then my child reacted. I don't know how you raise your kids but my kids know wrong from right. And after hearing both sides and other sides especially the prinicpals side in the board meeting, The mother fucker lied on my child. I guess I raise my kids differently. I have 4 kids that are good kids, one is in the air force one is a nurse and one is on the up and coming singer and model. So I guess I am way too protective of my children. I know he had some part in what happened, but he would have never reactd if he was provoked thats all I'm saying;-)

[Labret]

Hell yeah beat your kids. Your gonna be one of those moms I see on Sally Jessy crying and sending their kids off to bootcamp because little Jethro is way out of control.

Fuck it makes me insane. You know why I did not steal shit and cause trouble when I was younger? Cause I knew my father would fuck my world up. Fear is a powerful motivator. Talk is bullshit. Teenagers are fucking retards and the coming generations of kids are out of control. Someone needs to do some beating. This PC bullshit about not knocking your kids around is bullshit. The kid fucks up? Knock the stupid little fucker in the head.

And the quote of the day for you fucking pansy parents:

"Political correctness -- the art of camouflaging truth to protect the psyches of the weak"

SexyDollEyes

LOL, Well if you believe your kid would lie what does that tell you about yourself??? Me and my kids are close we share everything, That may be hard to believe to some of you but thats a fact, My kid plays trombone in a jazz band and is well rounded. I'm a straight up honest person, But when fucked with I can be a total bitch especially when i feel that my child is no getting a fair shake. Yes some kids do lie and pull shit over there parents eyes, But I chose a dffereant path with my kids I taught them independance,respect, and responsibility, But I also taught them that when someone is fucking them to stand by what they believe. And by what I taught them;-)

[Labret]

Your doooooomed.

Your their PARENT, not their friend.

Your a single mom yes?



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SexyDollEyes

My kid is not a fucker, Your a low life, and I would hate to see how you raise your kids.....yea go ahead and beat your kid that will teach him alot. you have no concept about the next generation and bringin up kids to make sure your sorry ass will be taking care of in your old pathetic age..... Maybe you'll get lucky in that nursing home and have my kid because I have brought him up right to take care of elderly people and respect them. But then again you might get someones kid that was raised the way you raised your kids and they won't give a fuck and let you lay in your own piss.........

[Labret]

Blah blah blah. I have no kids and will have no kids. In the near future I will have a vasectomy to prevent it. Kids. Your mistake, not mine.

Single mom, works in online smut? Your kids are so doomed. Holy shit. Your a Springer episode. Pull your head from your ass and open your eyes. Do the kids some good and get them a daddy and get a job at Wal-Mart. The prisons are full enough.

SexyDollEyes

Well it's not a battle that I chose but I still have to make sure my son will get his education.... thats my first priority..... and if this principal thinks that he can fuck up his school year by lieing to the school board then yes he has a fight on his hands. And I have done went to the police, and actually it's not about what my son wants he is 13 I am the responsilbie parent that should make sure his eduaction is in tact no matter what measures I have to take;-))

Exxxotica

Yeah, and Kip Kinkle's sister was a whole lot different than Kip.

SexyDollEyes

;-))) I'm not doomed because I LISTEN too my kids........No I'm not a single mom..... And yes I am a PARENT first...... a Friend second...That where parents go wrong they think they should be a friend to there kids.....which is right somewhat ....BUT you have to be a parent first........

SexyDollEyes

I can see why you have no kids.....you have no concept of how to raise kids.......I can tell your parents raised you well........I guess they was a springer episode too.....And I have never been a single mom.........your a fucking dickhead and ramble about shit you have no idea about...... you have no kids so how can you even comment on something that you have no clue on.......

SexyDollEyes

Yea but they was raised by the same mom;-))
So they have the same values;-)

tenletters

Would you like a fund set up to pay for it?

Exxxotica

Fuck that! Ill pay for it myself. The last thing we need is little Labrets.

SexyDollEyes

Hey Tenletters, Thats the thing, Adults always assume that the child is lieing, They never want to think that the adult is lieing, because he is an authority figure

[Labret]

ahahaah awesome.

While I am flattered you care so deeply, I am more than capable of paying for it myself. They are actually quite cheap. And the result... well the results are priceless.

You can donate the money made for the legal defense that whatshernames kids will be needing in the short future.

Trust me... I want kinds about as much as you think I need kids.

My god nothing scares me more than a little screaming sack of guts draining away my life and my $$$. Its sends shivers up my spine.


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[Labret]

AHAahahah, yeah, more realists in the world. What a pisser.

I guess you'll be telling your children its ok to pretend your a woman online. To belong to a message board syndicate. Do I need to even keep going?

Oh yes, you need to have children.

NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, from this board should ever pollute the world with their spawn.

It scares me to think that many of you already do. Fuck thats scary.

But I have seen you at the mall. In your station wagon, wearing your old green sweats, beer gut and bad haircut. Thats a GFY dad. Damn.

Hot Tropical Babes

Sexy,
First of all ignore some of these stupid fuckers posting on your thread. Dont even reply to them.

For one, I think you did the right thing by filing charges. The only way your son should of been touched was by restraint and that is if he was a danger to him self or someone else. Which, it doesnt sound like that was the case. Make an example of this asshole teacher. I would suggest getting the media involved also.
I pity the fuck who lays their hands on my children. I raised one (he is 19 now, and have a three year old at the moment.) and I always told the teachers if there was a problem I want to be notified immediately. No one has the right to assault children. Unless, as I said before, they are a "Threat". Coaches seem to think they are above all and can do whatever they want. I have seen principles with the same mind set.

CDSmith

Did somebody say piss?

Rat, you are clouding the issue with all this shit about kids and screaming gut sacks (LOL) and comments on single moms. The central issue here is the scuffle that occured between the principal and Doll's kid, and what she should do about it.

To take the example right into your world, do you have a neice or nephew Rat? If not, let's just say you do. Let's say also that your sister married a dickhead and later divorced him, and now she's a single mom. Now, you know your nephew real well, and let's say that as far as kids go the "little fucker" is a pretty good kid. Let's say he's 12 years old, he's trying his best at school, he plays soccer in his off time, and he thinks his uncle is everything his uncle claims to be.

Now, this nephew of yours gets roughed up and choked one day at school by a supposed authority figure that obviously needs his ass sewn to his face. Since you are the closest thing to a father figure he has, and since you know full well that your nephew isn't the type to start trouble or lie about it, The question becomes,

...what does uncle Rat do?

slim

Sexydolleyes,

The only reason a principal should lay a hand on a child is if that kid is attacking him. Believe your kid. I have a 12 year old (girl), and have had problems with a principal in the past. We were lucky that she is now in middle school, and doesn't have to deal with this woman. I do believe that teachers and so forth can indeed hold a grudge against children they don't like, it happens all the time. It would take a very troubled child to make up a story like that, with people around to dispute it. Of course it's not exactly as he says, but who is 100% accurate when recounting an incident. Again, believe your kid, if you don't, who else will?

Labret-My husband is a lawyer. Guess which profession I hide from the kids? Lol.

12clicks

Dolleyes, this is not true. You had BETTER tell your son that if he's being attacked he better attack back.
Now that said, your husband should have kicked the shit out of him in his office. Since he didn't, you need to sue him and press charges if the witnesses back up your son's story.

Oh, and ignore labrat. his parents idea of raising children was to leave them for hours on end with the dog. (ask him how he makes his money on the net. his upbringing has left its stamp on him)

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SexyDollEyes,

Ignore that moron labrat. It's pretty obvious that he has no clue what he's talking about anyway.

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