no free hosted galleries for a sponsor?

[bigdog]

Do you think a new sponsor program can really survive these days without fhg's? Do you think it will attract webmasters who are tired of competing with fhg's?

[pornJester]

We have a private list of FHGs that we offer to webmasters that contact us. However only a small percentage of our signups come from FHGs. So yes, I think a program can do well without FHGs.

[the Shemp]

im waiting for the day sponsors get rid of them completely...

[Johny Traffic]

Yes definatly

Infact, a good sponsor who gives some good exclusive content to a few good webmasters can really coin it in. Its just finding those really good webmasters. They are few and far between.

[bigdog]

sad shit is most of the fhg's suck, sponsors are just giving away free content with no emphasis on trying to sell their site to the surfer

[Johny Traffic]

sad shit is most of the fhg's suck, sponsors are just giving away free content with no emphasis on trying to sell their site to the surfer

I think its the other way round. Most affiliates just want to fill up there sites with hosted galleries. So sponsors are giving them what they want and trying to make a few bucks after the bandwith bills. Sponsors would prefere affiliates who are gonna work and build galleries and sites, but those affiliates are few, the trend is sponsor galleries on high skimmed TGP's.

[VeriSexy]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

im waiting for the day sponsors get rid of them completely...

[JoeA]

He and I have discussed how lazy 99% of affiliates are... That's how FHG started...

Most affiliates these days run TGP's and Links Lists using trading scripts, which send a surfer to the link they really want to see about once in up to 5 attempts from tests I've done.

The affiliates to my sites who are successful actually use banners I offer and have downlaoded the images and videos to create their own sites on their own servers/hosts... They put time and effort in to creating their own way of promoting the sites and make reasonable sales.

Two of my best affiliates for Sahara Gets Dirty are females who have created their own promotional pages, and they do well because they have done something extra...

Affiliates... Stop moaning about lack of sales and do a little more than put up a link to one of our FHG on a page with trading scripts... You'll find it works !!! I had one affilaite send 1500-200 hits a day for a few days... He made no sales and quit. I looked at his site on the first day and couldn't even find a link to the site of mine that was receiving the traffic... Why... Because of damn trading scripts.

Joe Surfer is getting pissed off by clicking a link and arriving at another tgp/Links site 4/5 times.... Get rid of these scripts... get clean and start making money...

[xclusive]

FHG are for the people too lazy to make galleries themselves makes it too easy for people without knowledge to get into this biz

[BastarD]

Originally Posted by xclusive

FHG are for the people too lazy to make galleries themselves makes it too easy for people without knowledge to get into this biz

100% agreed. You took this from my mouth

[TheFrog]

yes definetley, they get a more productive webmaster base too

[Steve_NCH]

Originally Posted by JoeA

He and I have discussed how lazy 99% of affiliates are... That's how FHG started...

Most affiliates these days run TGP's and Links Lists using trading scripts, which send a surfer to the link they really want to see about once in up to 5 attempts from tests I've done.

The affiliates to my sites who are successful actually use banners I offer and have downlaoded the images and videos to create their own sites on their own servers/hosts... They put time and effort in to creating their own way of promoting the sites and make reasonable sales.

Two of my best affiliates for Sahara Gets Dirty are females who have created their own promotional pages, and they do well because they have done something extra...

Affiliates... Stop moaning about lack of sales and do a little more than put up a link to one of our FHG on a page with trading scripts... You'll find it works !!! I had one affilaite send 1500-200 hits a day for a few days... He made no sales and quit. I looked at his site on the first day and couldn't even find a link to the site of mine that was receiving the traffic... Why... Because of damn trading scripts.

Joe Surfer is getting pissed off by clicking a link and arriving at another tgp/Links site 4/5 times.... Get rid of these scripts... get clean and start making money...

Great post JoeA, I agree entirely. My most profitable affiliates do exactly as you said and are inventive, taking time and effort to lift stuff off my tour and make their own mini-preview of my site.

Having said that, I am about to bow to popular demand and offer FHGs for Nude Celeb Hound any day now...

[BV]

Half my sales are generated by FHG's. What does that tell you? Tells me that I designed some kick ass galleries that convert and have given my affiliates what they want.

[fedfest]

Originally Posted by bigdog

Do you think a new sponsor program can really survive these days without fhg's? Do you think it will attract webmasters who are tired of competing with fhg's?

Well we seem to survive and even grow in a slow but steady pace with Rewardthem, and not only do we not have any fhg's we haven't even got any gold, stacks of $$$'s or big flashy cars on our site *lol*
Basicly we've decided to put our efforts in the members areas of the sites instead of in making 1000 fhg's a week as our top priority goes to keeping the members rebilling, not feeding the hamsters
I imagine that we must apeal somehow to people that knows that you make more money if you put a little work and effort into it yourself instead of just throwing up a site with 500 fhg's and call it a tgp *lol*

Look at it from a surfers point of view, these days everyone runs tgp's that apart from some header graphics pretty much look the same, so they surf from one tgp to the next (or the tgp scripts send them there) looking a shitloads of the same hosted galleries and getting redirected to even more of the same shit.. now sudently the surfer lands on a site that has the topic of his interest, a site that someone put some effort into making, that writes about the niche and give you an idea (other than a 5 word punchline) of why you should join the paysite.. now who would you think has the best chance of making the sale ?

Not saying that tgp's are bad, there's a lot of good ones out there that knows what they are doing and how to make money, and i made good money for years myself making galleries.. Just saying there are lots of other ways to make sales than making yet another fhg's tgp

[JoeA]

BV

It's nothing to do with how good your FHG are... It's to do with the number of affiliates who may use them and how they link to them. How few of your affilates make those sales through your FHG ?

One of my sites generates 50% of sales through affiliates and that's from about four of them out of 200 and they are the only ones who put time and effort in to what they do.

In general... I still make 80% of sales to my paysites myself as I'm sure most webmasters do

We're in Catch 22. If we want affiliates, then we need to offer FHG and with so many around, how many surfers get off on all the freebies we offer If we don't offer FHG we don't get the affiliates, though as I keep saying 95% of them are kids with a links list/TGP and a trading script and so make fuck all sales...

One affiliate for Sahara's site has a sex toys store. He has a rotating banner at the bottom of his pages and Sahara's shows about 1 out of 10 times... That's it.. How the hell will he ever make a sale..

We can't win

[Mack]

Nice thread I see a great underlying message on GFY the past few weeks.

[fedfest]

Originally Posted by Mack

Nice thread I see a great underlying message on GFY the past few weeks.

Could be that people are finaly figuring out that a program doesn't convert based on the number of fhg's they provide

[iwantchixx]

people seem to think everything revolves around tgps. It doesn't. TGP is just a little part of everything. Sponsors don't need FHGs to survive. I'd hazzard to guess that 75 percent of signups come from places other than FHGs

[ListYourPorn]

Make your own free sites and build long term traffic.

As much as it hurts me to say (based on our current banter and piss taking) Joe is correct.

Its much better when a sponsor puts hurdles for webmasters to jump, Ive never used TGP but made freesites as recommended by others and its worked. Yes it takes a little longer though you get SE traffic and some ranked pages for your extra efforts

- to Joe see you on the next thread mate :-)

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by JoeA

BV

It's nothing to do with how good your FHG are... It's to do with the number of affiliates who may use them and how they link to them. How few of your affilates make those sales through your FHG ?

One of my sites generates 50% of sales through affiliates and that's from about four of them out of 200 and they are the only ones who put time and effort in to what they do.

In general... I still make 80% of sales to my paysites myself as I'm sure most webmasters do

We're in Catch 22. If we want affiliates, then we need to offer FHG and with so many around, how many surfers get off on all the freebies we offer If we don't offer FHG we don't get the affiliates, though as I keep saying 95% of them are kids with a links list/TGP and a trading script and so make fuck all sales...

One affiliate for Sahara's site has a sex toys store. He has a rotating banner at the bottom of his pages and Sahara's shows about 1 out of 10 times... That's it.. How the hell will he ever make a sale..

We can't win

FHG´s are a problem in my opinion. If you are looking for tgp traffic - mine is the worst converting though - you need galleries. But it´s difficult to get sponsor´s content to make some decent galleries. Some are promising but never deliver, some think I´m a surfer and want to get free access to their site. So it´s a problem to build a gallery for a specific model, for example. I get some decent se traffic for a german model and I asked sponsors for content with this model. Only a few agreed. But those who did the promotion works.

Another problem is that some tgp´s require galleries with to much content. We want to sell porn, not give it away. So if galleries deliver too much, they are not converting.

Sponsors with a huge amount of fhg´s don´t do well for me. In that case it works much better buying own niche content which fits to the sponsor´s niche. But this is sometimes hard to get.

A last thing is that surfers become smarter today. They search for specific terms for fhg´s and get satisfied with those. So I would like to see galleries which are teasing the surfer, but don´t make him jerking off.

[demented]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

im waiting for the day sponsors get rid of them completely...

I wish.. Funny thing, I've been full time in the biz for about 3 years now and I've never used one single FHG.

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

people seem to think everything revolves around tgps. It doesn't. TGP is just a little part of everything. Sponsors don't need FHGs to survive. I'd hazzard to guess that 75 percent of signups come from places other than FHGs

I agree. I´ve got an fpa done by myself which is text based only, no images. It describes the niche with a little teasing description which seems to work fine. problem is building up the traffic. But on the other hand: what advantage does a huge load of traffic bring up if there aren´t potential customers among them.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by m4yadult

I agree. I´ve got an fpa done by myself which is text based only, no images. It describes the niche with a little teasing description which seems to work fine. problem is building up the traffic. But on the other hand: what advantage does a huge load of traffic bring up if there aren´t potential customers among them.

Build freesites to feed that fpa. you'll be imrpessed after a few months of daily promotions.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by JoeA

He and I have discussed how lazy 99% of affiliates are... That's how FHG started...

Most affiliates these days run TGP's and Links Lists using trading scripts, which send a surfer to the link they really want to see about once in up to 5 attempts from tests I've done.

The affiliates to my sites who are successful actually use banners I offer and have downlaoded the images and videos to create their own sites on their own servers/hosts... They put time and effort in to creating their own way of promoting the sites and make reasonable sales.

Two of my best affiliates for Sahara Gets Dirty are females who have created their own promotional pages, and they do well because they have done something extra...

Affiliates... Stop moaning about lack of sales and do a little more than put up a link to one of our FHG on a page with trading scripts... You'll find it works !!! I had one affilaite send 1500-200 hits a day for a few days... He made no sales and quit. I looked at his site on the first day and couldn't even find a link to the site of mine that was receiving the traffic... Why... Because of damn trading scripts.

Joe Surfer is getting pissed off by clicking a link and arriving at another tgp/Links site 4/5 times.... Get rid of these scripts... get clean and start making money...

I never got that.


Lets say you get 5k a day.
You send 2.5k away as soon as they click the first link to antother TGP.
And you get 2.5k back.

Does that mean you get 7.5k a day?

No you still get the same 5k but after dicking the surfer around you might get less.

Why are traffic trades blind links, and not hardlinks telling the surfer where he is going.

[frank7799]

I do. I have to admit that this wasn´t my idea, i read one of the newbeprojects of voltar´s. But you must be patient waiting for traffic, I´m afraid. And it´s difficult to find some decent sponsors who´s content isn´t already spread all over the net.

[eroswebmaster]

As a free host gallery designer, and one of the guys behind one of the very first FHG programs DiabolicalGalleries.Com let me drop in my two cents here.

FHG's will be around for some time still. It's just another added tool in the arsenal to get webmasters to stop promoting program A and promote yours.

The point is not to just throw up 10 FHG's then leave it at that. Or take 1 template and dump 20 sets of content into it and expect webmasters to keep linking to them.

You need like everything else a plan in place if you're going to offer FHG's depending upon your budget.

If you can afford it buy at least enough templates to cover every day of the week. It may take you some time but have at least 30. And dupe those with extra sets of content unless your site is a reality site and you choose to make episode specific templates.

Another thing to consider is the aggression factor. This is where tgp owners and sponsors need to get together on this. If you are a tgp owner and are using an FHG you should allow the sponsor to be a bit more aggressive.

I have sponsors who come to me afraid that their affiliates won't use their FHG's if they are too aggressive so they ask for them to be TGP compliant which used to mean 1 link per 5 thumbs, but now ask for 2 links tops...which I find to be utterly ridiculous.

When did people become more concerned about free loading tgp traffic than making money.

Also this goes for webmasters and sponsors as well..but in particular webmasters. GET OVER THE FUCKING EYE CANDY. You may claim it's not important but you know you won't promote it if you think it's "ugly" regardless of it's tested conversion rates.

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by kaliboy2g

I never got that.


Lets say you get 5k a day.
You send 2.5k away as soon as they click the first link to antother TGP.
And you get 2.5k back.

Does that mean you get 7.5k a day?

No you still get the same 5k but after dicking the surfer around you might get less.

Why are traffic trades blind links, and not hardlinks telling the surfer where he is going.

You´ll do better with atgp which doesn´t trade. I never found a tradelink on the hun´s, for example. But it is much harder to build traffic for those non trading tgp´s. it doesn´t make sence to buy shitty traffic to feed them. That´s only an option for trading, because you hope you´ll get better traffic for it from the other tgp.

[TheMob]

yeah, there are a lot of sponsors that don't have fhgs

[Alex]

Originally Posted by m4yadult

You´ll do better with atgp which doesn´t trade. I never found a tradelink on the hun´s, for example. But it is much harder to build traffic for those non trading tgp´s. it doesn´t make sence to buy shitty traffic to feed them. That´s only an option for trading, because you hope you´ll get better traffic for it from the other tgp.

If we got rid of trading scripts as of right now.

So many tgps would go down and the only ones with S.E or bookmark traffic will remain. And then TGP traffic will be as good as S.E traffic.

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

As a free host gallery designer, and one of the guys behind one of the very first FHG programs DiabolicalGalleries.Com let me drop in my two cents here.

FHG's will be around for some time still. It's just another added tool in the arsenal to get webmasters to stop promoting program A and promote yours.

The point is not to just throw up 10 FHG's then leave it at that. Or take 1 template and dump 20 sets of content into it and expect webmasters to keep linking to them.

You need like everything else a plan in place if you're going to offer FHG's depending upon your budget.

If you can afford it buy at least enough templates to cover every day of the week. It may take you some time but have at least 30. And dupe those with extra sets of content unless your site is a reality site and you choose to make episode specific templates.

Another thing to consider is the aggression factor. This is where tgp owners and sponsors need to get together on this. If you are a tgp owner and are using an FHG you should allow the sponsor to be a bit more aggressive.

I have sponsors who come to me afraid that their affiliates won't use their FHG's if they are too aggressive so they ask for them to be TGP compliant which used to mean 1 link per 5 thumbs, but now ask for 2 links tops...which I find to be utterly ridiculous.

When did people become more concerned about free loading tgp traffic than making money.

Also this goes for webmasters and sponsors as well..but in particular webmasters. GET OVER THE FUCKING EYE CANDY. You may claim it's not important but you know you won't promote it if you think it's "ugly" regardless of it's tested conversion rates.

That´s a good point. But in my case I dont choose sponsors by their fhg´s. I´m searching for domains which cover a niche. In the next step I try to find sponsors for that niche, various sponsors. Then I´m building free sites and offer sponsor or own niche specific content - but never full stories. So I´m more interested in the sponsor content as in fhg´s. I usually build my own galleries - the amazing thing iss that the most ugly looking ones often convert better then the ones which i think are nicely done in the graphics.

It´s a matter of leading the surfer to buy your product. That needs more then a kick ass designed gallery.

Don´t get me wrong, I like your galleries very much but I think you should tell the surfer something about he´ll find in the member´s area.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally Posted by m4yadult

Don´t get me wrong, I like your galleries very much but I think you should tell the surfer something about he´ll find in the member´s area.

I appreciate your comments...been building galleries for 4 years now and I have had to change my style completely in order to fit the needs of the sponsor and the wants of the webmaster.

Now when I build my own galleries, or build them for clients who buy galleries for submissions the style is completely different.

But when building for sponsors the key thing they are looking for is a large number at a low price in as quick a turnaround as possible. So with that in mind we do our best to provide it all and do a hell of a job IMO. ;)

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

I appreciate your comments...been building galleries for 4 years now and I have had to change my style completely in order to fit the needs of the sponsor and the wants of the webmaster.

Now when I build my own galleries, or build them for clients who buy galleries for submissions the style is completely different.

But when building for sponsors the key thing they are looking for is a large number at a low price in as quick a turnaround as possible. So with that in mind we do our best to provide it all and do a hell of a job IMO. ;)

Yes, that´s a problem of course. But that´s what i don´t like at fhg´s: they are missing a "personal touch". Every affiliate uses it and if you want to change it, it´s not free hosted any longer.

But if a webmaster doesn´t invest in a little bit hosting for his galleries, maybe he´s in the wrong biz.

By the way: do you work on bulk for the big guys only or are you doing work for small companies, too?

[eroswebmaster]

Originally Posted by m4yadult

By the way: do you work on bulk for the big guys only or are you doing work for small companies, too?

We take them all..big and small

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

We take them all..big and small

could become the headline af an ad

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by bigdog

sad shit is most of the fhg's suck, sponsors are just giving away free content with no emphasis on trying to sell their site to the surfer

this is true