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cheaters never last in this biz!
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How can sites like CJ or other style sites be legal? Accepting "User" submissions without verifying valid copyrights just sounds like it's asking for lawsuits.
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Umm, Rick, would it not be better to have your people contact the owners of watermarked videos BEFORE adding them to your site? I assume that someone reviews all videos to make sure you are not adding CP or snuff or whatever, so why not just take the step?
Remember, all content is copyright to SOMEONE. Alex |
I've always wondered how Rotton.com, Ogrish.com, etc get away with copying and posting (often editing/adding their logo too) other people's pictures/video *without written permisson* for economic gain; commercial use.
Is such copying/editing they do legal or that no one has legally challenged them yet? It really bothers me to see tunsami pictures / video that's been edited and degraded with logos/branding of such sites like Ogrish.com on them... Ron |
Just read the thread again ... some of those services claim they just merely host user uploaded content.
With that said, the DMCA safe harbor provisions may *not* protect such sites *that brand content as being their own*, such Ogrish.com does; shown a pattern of knowingly hosting copyright content belonging to others in violation of copyright law. So I guess in a nutshell, no one has really legally challenged such services yet ... ? Ron |
pretty unfunny stuff on your site anyway, why the fuck anyone would want to steal it is beyond me
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Nadia, First, I apologize for responding to you on a public forum. You see, I think the right way to handle something like this with someone that you've had a relationship with for YEARS, with someone who has sent YOU tons of traffic for FREE, would be to handle it one on one. What's my ICQ? Perhaps you should check your ICQ logs. My ICQ logs have conversations between the two of us going back to early 2003. Or perhaps you should look at my responses to all the emails we've bounced back and forth. ALL my contact information is in my sig. If the shoes were reversed I would have called you on the phone instead of freaking out on a board. I guess we just do business differently. For me, I would have a little more RESPECT toward a company that had run several THOUSANDS of dollars worth of free Video Sponsorships for me! But again, I guess we just do business differently. I personally wouldn't treat anyone who had gone out of their way to help me like you have. If I approached someone asking about buying traffic, then found out I couldn't afford it, and then that someone GAVE me traffic because they liked my site/content I DAMN sure wouldn't behave this way because I don't like to burn my bridges, ESPECIALLY with someone who has tried so hard to help me. I guess we just do business differently. Now, to the issue at hand. Your own popularity is to blame. Tough problem to have. The video WAS submitted to us without your watermark. There is simply no way for us to tell where all the content that gets submitted to us comes from. I agree that it's unlikely any of our fans would download your clip, remove the watermark, and then submit it to us. BUT, just for shits and giggles, lets look at another possibility. Maybe, just maybe, some OTHER website that's less scrupulous than us ganked your content and removed the watermark. Then perhaps one of their fans saw the content and downloaded it and submitted it. This doesn't sound so far-fetched to me. ESPECIALLY when you take into account that I already had a relationship with you, I had already posted your vids on our site AT YOUR REQUEST and turned them into Video Sponsorships that sent you THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of visitors for FREE! I see now that you did at least manage to dig out my email address although I can't say I'm thrilled by the tone of your message: From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:48 PM To: Marc Womack Subject: Re-Edited our Vid to remove watermark... Below is the link of OUR VIDEO on your fucking site: http://www.consumptionjunction.com/c...1&page=1&fav=0 You guys posted our vid, fucking cut out our watermark and re-edited it!!! You better fucking put up the watermarked version asap, or you'll be hearing from our lawyers. We don't produce videos to bring traffic to your fucking site without any credit. Nadia ParasiteTV Productions www.parasite.tv ICQ: 217576223 As others have mentioned in this thread, our removal policy is simple: ask and we do. You could email and say that picture of the fat black midget with only one leg is you and you want us to take it down and we would. It's VERY easy. That's why the video has now been removed and I can assure you that we'll never post anything of yours again. And I mean never. If you hit the lottery and can suddenly afford our ad prices and offer me $100,000 for one Video Sponsorship it's not going to happen. I've repeated several times that we do business differently. I give people the benefit of the doubt and try to help them out whenever I can. BUT, when that kindness is repaid with behavior like yours I will never do any business with them again for any amount of money. Nadia, on a personal note, we've spoken quite a few times on ICQ and on the phone. I actually considered you a friend. As always, I'm trying my best to remain professional on such a public forum but after such a betrayal, I can't hold back from saying FUCK YOU. Do not EVER contact me or any of my team again. I hope to fuck you don't treat other companies that have tried to HELP you like this. If so, your future in this business is going to be very challenging. We don't forget. |
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WOW. I'd hate to burn that bridge.
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50 whiners
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yes it sucks when your content is being used without permission and I don't necesarily agree with their "ask and it will be removed" aka "we'll remove it once we get caught" system
BUT You could have dealt with this in a way that was profitable. A Simple "hey, can you use this watermarked version instead or put up a link to my site on the video page? Thanks." email and both parties would have come out good. |
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I would never understand why people try so hard to draw attention to themselves even when it'd cost them a bridge :helpme oh well.. actually it worked a bit thou cos now I know there's some gfy b name nadia or parasite whatever :upsidedow
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Either way, she's about as sharp as a sock full of soup anyways. |
I can understand being pissed, hell I would be heated too. (might have even done what you did)
But your winey ass fucked it up for yourself. Concidering CJ helped you out in the past, you're beyond wrong for doing what you did. |
I love the reply...
especially the FUCK YOU part of it :1orglaugh Someone should get a screen cap of that and write OWNED on it :1orglaugh |
Classic Thread....
Lesson Learned never burn your bridges just for a little attention hahhaha |
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haha Parasite got owned on this one, fucked themselves over huge!
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WOW! I bet if this Nadia spoke to someone regarding this, the guys at CJ would've not only taken it down, but prolly linked to her for some time.
Always sleep on it folks! Never act on anger instantly, the next day you normaly feel different and will be calmer, thus better results :thumbsup |
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you'd better chill down a bit before flipping out on gfy abut something like that there goes the free traffic... |
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:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Thanks alot. Just burnt my nose and need to buy a new keyboard from the Coke ( soda) flying everywhere... |
Should have just asked for a link back to her site and made more money from the extra traffic. Her actions made no sense especially considering the fact that CJ and Parasite apparently had some business relations in the past that worked out well in their favor.
Oh well, reason to use new smilie :error :thumbsup |
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Sorry, I didn't mean to ruin your keyboard lol |
Interesting thread. :upsidedow
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when my content is re-edited specifically to remove a watermark what more can i do but be fucking pissed, and i'll take it where ever i damn well please. I'm appaled.
And as for our prior relationship: most of our vids on your site didnt even have a link, even though we had asked you that if you put up our vids, put a link. Bridges burned: don't worry, we have plenty of TGP's all over the world that link and continue to link our watermarked shit. READ: watermarked. You say someone submitted it, specifically to remove a watermark. Bullshit baby. Anyways, Worry not, keep yer hits, we'll keep our content. l8r |
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I challenge you to post a link to someone that links to you that is larger than CJ 50$ epassporte if you can prove it |
But to handle it in that type of e-mail? Seriously, a simple "Hey Marc, this vid is mine and you are using it without the watermark on it", could have come before the "fuck you" e-mail. Maybe its just me.....
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If the rest of your content sucks as bad as that, I hope you keep your content. (In a dumpster on trash day, that is.) |
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So what are you planning to do with the music you used in the video? You going to pay the artist? |
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You think the guys at CJ wasted their time to edit that shit? What benifit would they get from doing so? Why would they risk their name to do so? Honestly, your work is not all that amazing. Shit happens, the way you deal with it is more important. :upsidedow |
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