no. I said they can't afford spending such a big sum like US or EU.

"Element of the country" is not the country in the whole. and btw, Saudi Arabia supports terrorists too. but as officially they're friends of US you consider them to be very good guys, right?

Arabs :thumbsup

America does it for gain, business and the benefit of all. The hand is there, the modern world puts its hands out to everyone that would look to see it.

Same arguement as above. The elements of rogue nations are in control, A Countries failure to control there own people is simply an excuse in the eyes of all humanity. The laws of those countries do not permit compassion for the suffering.

Arab "Nations" are for the most part arbitrarily delineated entities. The British had a lot to do with this during the waning years of their colonial period. In addition, some of these borders were also altered arbitrarily by the most powerful world leaders after the close of WWI. Culturally and politically (from and Arab point of view that is) the borders make almost no sense. Moreover, it has been in almost every other nation's perceived self interest to deter the creation of Muslim states.

Given these circumstances, I fail to see how "Arab Nations" can be held accountable through the paradigm of Islamic unity in the relief effort. It's a sexy argument, but ultimately a specious one.

Maybe it would be better to examine the actions of Iran in this relief effort than to throw all Arab governments into one pile and light it on fire.

Woa!
Intelligence! I am impressed:)

Now read above.

Why dispite these "Colonial" lines is it that these "Islamic countries" have no compassion for the suffering without bowing to Allah first?

Its a flaw in the very core of the belief.

IN America it's OK if you worship Allah, its OK if your a catholic, its OK if your Jewish, its OK if your a Satanist.

There is an element of co-exhistance in the freedom based system that the modern world embraces while a segment wishes to destroy any that oppose the balance of co-exhistant thought.

Allah is only merciful to those who bow in allegiance.

http://www.submission.org/images/mir4.jpg

Can you read this?

Many of these countries, most of them in fact, are secular. Aside from Iran (correct me if I'm wrong) there are no "Islamic countries" in the Middle East, at least not Islamic governments. Maybe you should check to see what the Red Crescent has done. I haven't checked, and maybe they've done nothing. Maybe they've done alot. My point is simply that you need to think of these countries as secular countries, not religious ones. And given that fact, it is not possible to make a valid connection regarding moral obligation to help other muslims, at least not at the government level.

That being said, the United States government does something that I think is even greater than giving aid -- which is to keep as low a profile as it is possible to keep about giving that aid. In other words, the US government doesn't appear to be into the whole kudos thing when it comes to this. They see a chance to help people in need and they do it without bragging all over the place. That's the real contribution, IMHO.

By the way, Islam is actually a very peaceful religion as practiced by the VAST majority of it's adherents. Comparing the actions of a few idiotic hotheads with guns to Islam as a whole is exactly like pointing at the KKK and saying it represents Christianity.

every thing America does is for benefit of America. not sure what you meant talking "all" though.

sorry, can't disput with you about the history of Islam and muslim countries as my English isn't good enough to teach you the history and geografy. I can't say thal I like muslims, but I can understand why they don't like you.

have a nice day. gonna go to sleep now.

exactly! :thumbsup
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

For all of you too lazy to read the whole thread I'll sum it up:




AlienQ, you're an idiot!

Arab nations do not want anything to do with the US.... As a matter of fact most Europeans also HATE americans.... :helpme


But they still eat our Big Macs and French Fries :1orglaugh

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what does being able to read that have to do with what you are talking about?

yeap, that about sums up this whole thread :thumbsup

You mean freedom fries ;)

I could not agree more. I get sick of hearing "Islamic Suicide Bombers". That is a oxymoron, Muslims do not commit suicide and suicide is condemned in the Quran. People in every religion have a person or a group of people who use religion to form their own social norms for their personal benefit.

- Darklord forgot to include the entire thing. He left out: "That being said, the United States government does something that I think is even greater than giving aid -- which is to keep as low a profile as it is possible to keep about giving that aid. In other words, the US government doesn't appear to be into the whole kudos thing when it comes to this. They see a chance to help people in need and they do it without bragging all over the place. That's the real contribution, IMHO."

It seems, like most America-bashers, that Darklord has a selective conscience.

I just noted the things I agree with and deleted the things I don't agree with. is it better now?

What a crap! Europeans do NOT hate Americans - they just hate a government that consists of corrupt people who would be convicted criminals in most other countries, whose first interest is the welfare of the US oil companies and who are trying to shape the world in a way that fits their personal interests, no matter how many (even American) people get killed along the way.

Did you ever think about why after 9/11 the US had the support and the sympathy of 95% of the world, and how GW and his cronies have turned this into the opposite within just about 2 years?

:1orglaugh Yup.

By the way, can you support a statement that the US gives aid only for personal interests? Sub-question: If you were the US President, how would you handle the tsunami disaster?

Careful, that's a petard you're looking at, and you put it there. :winkwink:

I usually hear it put, "Suicide Bomber", without the Islamic. I like the way FOX News puts it: "Homicide Bomber".

I like the way you think.
If ya need a favor Let me know:)
I am done with this thread I will leave it to the neanderthals to figure out the rest.

Cheers:)

I'll make a little quote:
"Europeans do NOT hate Americans - they just hate a government that consists of corrupt people who would be convicted criminals in most other countries, whose first interest is the welfare of the US oil companies and who are trying to shape the world in a way that fits their personal interests, no matter how many (even American) people get killed along the way." (c) maxxxxx

no more comments. hope you'll understand my point of view. if not - I'll try to answer you tomorrow. It's pretty late here now.

Holy run on sentence Batman! I'll tell you why. Because I'll bet you're from one of those great countries caught in the oil for food scandal or you are simply from a country that just does not matter and it pisses you off.

Any simpleton who believes we give aid to other countries just for their oil is using their ass as their brain.

Please don't speak anymore. Save what little dignity you have left.

Like you even spent a dime yourself, AlienQ. LOL, maybe if you focus JUST a little more on the TV while watching FOX news, you JUST might be able to live inside the TV, you will feel much more comfortable surrounded by media.

Good laugh though :thumbsup

This so-called "oil for food scandal" is not even proven yet.

It was first published The New York Sun, a tiny newspaper founded by Canadian mogul Conrad Black four years ago as a mouthpiece for the neo-cons.

Richard Perle, the most prominent of the neo-con intellectuals who misled Bush to war with Iraq, has been a long time partner of Conrad Black and a director of the Jerusalem Post, one of Black`s many media holdings.

It may be there is no scandal at all. Just another trick of the neo-conservatives to blow away anyone who gets in the way of their plans for a global empire.

Oh well, another victim of Fox News. Why don't you people just use your brains?

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but one thing you should know about those arab billionaires is they dont publically say how much money they have etc. they are the type to donate lots of money and never mention a word about it to press.

you just can't handle the truth. brainwashed idiot. try to get your brain back from your ass and look around. or probably you think that there is no countries which "matter" in the world except US?
never heard of oil for food scandal and never watched fox news though.

Nope, the media loves telling us about every single skinned knee anyone gets.

I don't think it's possible for muslims to hate anyone more then jews and christians. Besides, Buddhists have the most benign religion ever known, what is there to hate them for?

Having been there, I feel confident in saying that they are not modern nations. Of course, I haven't been to every part of every arabic nation, but from what I have seen, they're all pretty much backward shitholes. They're all monarchies and theocracies for fuck's sakes, with only a couple of exceptions.

Then they shouldn't have a problem coughing up some dough for the Indonesians at the least.

There aren't much for theocracies, but most of the people, government and laws EXTREMELY religious. Don't believe me? Try going to Saudi Arabia and telling anyone that you're not a muslim. Go with your wife/girlfriend/whatever and have her dressed as a regular American/European/Australian woman (no veil, no long and completely cocealing garment). Break ANY traditional Islamic law that would be otherwise legal in the industrialized world.

Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Pick up the Quran some time and read it. Don't ignore the nasty bits just to get to the good bits like most theists tend to do. Read the nasty bits, all of them as well as the good bits. The book is simply horrible, beginning to end. It reads like the Old Testament. Allah and Yaweh are the same god, the god of Abraham, ancient Summarian and Caananite war gods.

The phrase "homocide bomber" is about the dumbest phrase ever to describe a "suicide bomber". Why they're trying to popularize this retarded phrase is completley beyond me. Ted Kazinski was a homicide bomber, because he killed people, but did not kill himself. A suicide bomber kills others as well as himself. They commit suicide, thus "suicide" bombers.

The problem with a nation like Saudi-Arabia is that while its ruling families and their cronies are living in a perverse luxury they have kept the majority of their people poor and backward. At the same time they have cleverly managed to blame the US and the western world (where their billions of dollars are coming from) for this poverty and backwardness. This is one of the reasons why most of the 9/11 terrorists were from this country and why Osama relies on an army of Saudi-Arabians.
These guys will not survive, sooner or later radical Muslims will take over the in Saudi-Arabia. That's why the US needed to get their hands on the Iraqi oil before this happens.

except that isnt what we're talking about???! :error now go to bed while the adults talk

Maybe you should try a few more places other than GFY. It has been proven. You have google. Use it.

The fact you have never heard of the oil for food scandal shows how much of an assclown you really are. Staying in your bedroom at your parents house and getting all your info from GFY is not healthy for you.

Here's a hint: there's more news sources out there than fox news.