Your experience certainly doesn't show

I know a GFY member that would argue with you on that point

Well, isn't what the advertisers are looking for anyway? I wouldn't buy spots on a TGP that doesn't convert. Quality traffic has always been the key, not the amount of traffic.

Now, how do you evaluate the quality of traffic? It takes some research, the traffic isn't the same with every niche available. You have to know which one.

Though I'm sure Shap will get his money back pretty quick. I did advertise 2 years ago on picwarehouse/sexape until he asked me to stop promoting some sponsors and closed the TOP thumb spots. (before twistyscash)

Now I look, and he closed all advertisers spots... it seems most links are hosted galleries or twistys. The advertising link is still up though.

His traffic quality is very good.

is he tall and sexy? :pimp

I wonder if surfers had an idea of the thumb TGPs. If it was the case, Madthumbs would not have 1.5 millions of hits daily overnight within a few months. Surfers see what's common, stuff that is part of a big network.

I was one of the first to advertise on the Hun, Worldsex at the time the 1st spot was available within a week. I invested $1000's in paid listings when people had no idea it existed... so if there was a network of thumb TGP with good traffic, I would have seen it long ago.

Yeah Hosted galleries exist since 2-3 years, but it turned popular only a few months ago.

Otherwise give me one single network of Thumb TGPs that existed in 2000 and I will epassporte you $50 right away.

Prove me wrong and I will apologize and send the money. Just back your words with some facts.

TGPs are not CJs btw.

It's than.

And you're very wrong.

sleazydream is an old thumb tgp :)

Yeah it's a half text/thumb kind-of TGP. Sleazy is the story man and built his traffic with an original concept and product for surfers. But this is not really what I'm talking about.

Show me a network of thumb sites from back in 2000 such as madthumbs, teeniefiles, teeniesxxx, etc. Otherwise I can say you the TGPs existed as soon as the freesites like the green guy and persiankitty appeared on the net since it's basically the same thing. But it's not.

Most of Sleazydream's traffic is bookmark and he trades hardcore links with old and solid text TGPs. He's not what I call a "new generation" of network TGP that might eliminate the current text TGP model in the next 2-3 years.

5 years ago there was not a single solid network of thumb TGPs.

Let make this more clear: In 2-3 years, the Thumb TGP model will become the major thing in the free porn industry, eliminating any chance for a Text TGP to succeed except if it's an old sites like persiankitty, link-o-rama, etc.

But my point is I would prefer owning Madthumbs.com (that is pretty new) over Link-o-rama.com (that is pretty old) with all the new surfers that will start using Internet and broadband connections. I can say the same thing with MGPs over TGPs.

It sold for $ 560 K ............................ wanna bet ?

Oh and with all the respect I have for Sleazy, I would love to see him start from absolutely zero in this industry.

This is good also for other TGP "dinosaurs" such as JJJ, Snakesworld, Pinkworld, Adult-Buffet, etc.

Sometime I think most of their success is based on timing... because otherwise I'm not sure they would succeed as much in this industry starting from scratch with zero dollars and no business contacts.

That's why I believe a guy such as xAsper deserve more respect than others. He knows how to innovate, design, trade, sell, etc... he's just smart.

Cameron also :thumbsup

Sleazydream can barely tie his shoes without having a heart attack, how is he gonna survive by starting over?

im sure those guys cant afford the Comus thumbs script, otherwise they would have switched a while ago....

Oh I'm sure anyone can buy the Comus Thumb script, and probably most of them already have a few Thumb TGPs.

Call-Kelly did switch from a successfull Text TGP to Thumb TGP... but I know his traffic quality dropped. (Don't know for now since It's been a long time I advertised there)

My point is not that a guy running a Thumb TGP is smarter, because anyone can buy Comus + hire an trading expert and have a Thumb TGP overnight.

But programming a script like MadTGP (that was the first solid thumb script way before Comus), and building a site to 2 millions hits per day in one year or so is very nice.

I'm pretty sure he's currently making a lot more money than Shemp.com - Except if you do more than 35-40k per month.

hey what's up ? when I was submitting galleries years ago, use 2 get some good traffic from you.. never got a chance 2 say thanks.... so a belated thank you

ya, but i dress better....

http://www.shemp.com/mikeninashemp.jpg

madthumbs make for sure more, he sells 36 gallery spots each month:
36 x 1500 = $52 500
I think he rotates 12 banners(I could be wrong) at the top, thats 12 x $2000 = $24 000

= $76 500(in the case, he is sold out) + paysite links and banners with his ref codes he dont sell as I dont see them in GTS

LOL, Nina is so cute up there.

Whatever happened to her ?

2000 for a rotating banner ? wow

haha that was harsh :upsidedow

beat me 2 it... she is a real cute one

yep, wow, but must be a great exposure :)

I just looked at sextracker and based on another post here that person thought the same about size. And thanks for the language lesson.

Nina left the biz for a while, she is doing well in the non adult world.

Just want to clear up the facts stated here: we sell 28 spots on Madthumbs, and 8 Thumb Banners are rotated into 4 spots.
(I'm guessing at this: the other 8 spots are trades(?) not paid spots.....)

Anyway, true we are sold out on Madthumbs.

But getting back to the rest of the conversation Madthumbs has much more traffic at the moment than Thumbzilla, so it should go without saying that Madthumbs would be worth more $ each month and if it were sold....

Now it appears to me that the site www.thumbzilla.com has improved already since Shap took over only a few days ago, so it will be very interesting to see the increase in traffic that will naturally follow........

my :2 cents:

Haha, good one. :)

So those sites didn't start from scratch? What did the traffic just come out of thin air someday?

Amazing how you do a deal in this industry and everyone just starts creating numbers off the top of their heads and have to know every detail of someone's private transaction.

Let me educate yourself again.

1997-1999 and 2004 are two different worlds. It's like comparing business right after World War II and our modern economy.

In 2000 I was making $15,000/month with free submissions to TGPs submissions using unix script and proxies. Now I don't even bother with partner accounts.

If you had a clue about marketing, you'd know Sleazydream did not change his 2 banners/story TGP template for years. I'm sure it works well, but he sure would be able to double/triple his profits.

I would take yourself up on that one :1orglaugh

What kind of due diligence/income verification would be needed for a deal such as this?

You impress me with your knowledge and experience. Each of your replies leave me breathless :)

Sorry my knowledge isn't free, keep buying those spots

So you mean your sig is complete bullshit? Nichewealth sucks?

Damn, I wanted to join their program to promote the same sites as you and saturate the market, your market! God damn,

Please please please give me a good sponsor that convert well so I can make sales too :bowdown

wrong thread there indiblow - don't worry it can be hard to figure out

successful business men never turn a buck away.

Please do :)

shoot, sell for a million ... no way ... not me. a million dollars is not that much money.