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iBill sued in Broward County, FL!!

12-31-2004, 06:14 PM

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Broward County Case Number: CACE04017263 State Reporting Number: 062004CA017263AXXXCE
Court Type: CIVIL DIVISION - CIRCUIT COURT Case Type: CONTRACT INDEBTEDNESS
Incident Date: N/A Filing Date: 11/04/2004
Court Location: CENTRAL COURTHOUSE Case Status: OPEN

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Case Parties
Relationship Last Name First Name Middle Name Party Type Sex Race D.O.B. D.O.D. ID Type ID Number
001 GOLDSTEIN MARK ALEXANDER AT BARID 000000882186
001 DATE.COM INC PL
002 INTERNET BILLING CO LLC DF
MOE LEROY H JUDGE JUDGE 13

Broward County Case Number: CACE04016488 State Reporting Number: 062004CA016488AXXXCE
Court Type: CIVIL DIVISION - CIRCUIT COURT Case Type: CONTRACT INDEBTEDNESS
Incident Date: N/A Filing Date: 10/21/2004
Court Location: CENTRAL COURTHOUSE Case Status: OPEN

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Case Parties
Relationship Last Name First Name Middle Name Party Type Sex Race D.O.B. D.O.D. ID Type ID Number
001 MORGAN RICHARD ALLEN AT BARID 000000836869
001 SCORE GROUP DB
001 QUAD INT'L INCORP PL
002 IBILL DB
002 INTERNET BILLING CO LLC # DF
GOLDSTEIN BARRY E JUDGE JUDGE 11
Case Summary
Broward County Case Number: CACE04007009 State Reporting Number: 062004CA007009AXXXCE
Court Type: CIVIL DIVISION - CIRCUIT COURT Case Type: OTHER CIVIL
Incident Date: N/A Filing Date: 04/28/2004
Court Location: CENTRAL COURTHOUSE Case Status: Disposition Entered*

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Case Parties
Relationship Last Name First Name Middle Name Party Type Sex Race D.O.B. D.O.D. ID Type ID Number
001 WILLITS RYAN E AT BARID 000000894760
001 FREYA COMMUNICATIONS INC PL
002 IBILL AK
002 FERGUSON DAVID LAWRENCE AT BARID 000000981737
002 INTERNET BILLING CO LLC DF
004 THE INTERCEPT GROUP INC DF
004 INTERCEPT INC NK
CARNEY ROBERT B JUDGE JUDGE 04
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12-31-2004, 06:17 PM

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12-31-2004, 06:17 PM

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12-31-2004, 06:19 PM

was bound to happen
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12-31-2004, 06:22 PM

Nifty...
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12-31-2004, 06:27 PM

damn i use to live near broward county before i moved north

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12-31-2004, 06:28 PM

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12-31-2004, 06:58 PM

Will try to follow this
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12-31-2004, 08:34 PM

Hmmmm I'm no lawyer but some of the filing dates do not look recent.
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12-31-2004, 08:36 PM

What are you talking about? No filing date is older than 2 months, if youre looking at the 4/28/04 date, thats the incident date.
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12-31-2004, 08:56 PM

i think it was about time.. However i'm not sure if this will trigger any more non-payments or further delay of the payments..? as usually in such cases you either get your money right away or it takes a looooong time....

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12-31-2004, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by Magg

What are you talking about? No filing date is older than 2 months, if youre looking at the 4/28/04 date, thats the incident date.

I've been drinking and yes you are right. The 4/28/04 date is probably the contract incept date.

One of the filings seems to be by Scorecash.
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12-31-2004, 11:52 PM

I saw a post in another place that they lost their trademark as of December 18.

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12-31-2004, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by The Other Steve

I saw a post in another place that they lost their trademark as of December 18.

Ouch!
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12-31-2004, 11:59 PM

I'm glad I left IBill when I did.
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01-01-2005, 12:11 AM

Magg:

Broward County Case Number: CACE04017263 State Reporting Number: 062004CA017263AXXXCE
Court Type: CIVIL DIVISION - CIRCUIT COURT Case Type: CONTRACT INDEBTEDNESS
Incident Date: N/A Filing Date: 11/04/2004
Court Location: CENTRAL COURTHOUSE Case Status: OPEN

You don't happen to know who the case party/plantiff is on this entry??

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01-01-2005, 12:27 AM

Here is some more court entries - some are meaningful - others old shit...

http://205.166.161.12/OncoreV2/

Feed in "Internet Billing Company" and also try "iBill" or any of their associates/past owners/bankers such as First Data....

There is more than this dated recently, but some of it is not showing yet.

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01-01-2005, 12:35 AM

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Yea.. sadly it does all come to a head...

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01-01-2005, 06:00 AM

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01-01-2005, 08:39 AM

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01-01-2005, 08:40 AM

not suprising
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01-01-2005, 08:41 AM

I hope ibill comes out of this for two reasons first I want to get piad and secondly too little competition is a bad bad thing.
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01-01-2005, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by tony404

I hope ibill comes out of this for two reasons first I want to get piad and secondly too little competition is a bad bad thing.

I agree.

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01-01-2005, 08:50 AM

how hard is it to stay in business? Not like they dont make enough from everyone.
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01-01-2005, 08:52 AM

This is just the start...

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01-01-2005, 08:52 AM

I'm glad they kicked Canadians out when they did hahahaha......I am so happy with CCBILL. Course we had to incorporate in the USA. But that's not the point......wer ooooot........of IBILL that is.

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01-01-2005, 09:04 AM

I was thinking of filing on them as well.

If I am not mistaken, I can sue them from my own city in WA. since
technically this is where the biz. takes place ?

I am going to chat with my attorney next week.
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01-01-2005, 10:18 AM

Wow. I had no idea this was going on with IBILL. I just logged in and realized they owe me a lot of dough. I see they're giving clients the option to be "repaid with 6% interest over an extended period." What the? What exactly is an extended period of time and what good will that do me if they're going out of business next month. I just spoke to an IBILL rep who said their merchant bank, First Data, wasn't paying them, so essentially, Ibill's not paying us. She added that they should have more information by the end of next week. I'm wondering how long this has been going on and if this "we'll have more information for you shortly" business might be bs that they've been telling everone for a while.

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01-01-2005, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Shoplifter

I've been drinking and yes you are right. The 4/28/04 date is probably the contract incept date.

One of the filings seems to be by Scorecash.

Thats the Score Group, just to clarify, not Scores the strip club chain.
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01-01-2005, 10:25 AM

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01-01-2005, 10:29 AM

What do you think the odds are that IBILL won't even be at the show?

Might just be an empty booth.

What employee what agree to work this show knowing the shit storm their going to face. Talk about danger pay!!

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01-01-2005, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by dano

I just spoke to an IBILL rep who said their merchant bank, First Data, wasn't paying them, so essentially, Ibill's not paying us. She added that they should have more information by the end of next week.

you spoke to an ibill rep on a saturday? new years day? gimmie a break. not siding with ibill here, but the odds you actually spoke with someone at that company today are 1 in a billion. the whole staff has been on holiday since before christmas.

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01-01-2005, 11:09 AM

The couple sites I wanted to promote that used iBill I had trouble with promo links so gave up on them. It put me off on signing up with other iBill sites. CCBill is awkwards at times but at least if a program webmaster dots his I's and crosses his T's you can get to everything you need

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01-01-2005, 11:10 AM

In some cases you dont get your money at all. We never did with website billing.

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01-01-2005, 11:32 AM

i was expecting this to happen sooner or later
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01-01-2005, 11:41 AM

To all those people 6 months or so ago who were attacking me for saying that anyone doing business with Ibill was just going to get fucked in the end... FUCK YOU.

Anyone who has been around in the beginning can tell you how Ibill made its money and it wasn't from being the shining example of morals and ethics.

How many times does a company have to fuck up with your money before you finally fucking get it? It was a company built on spam, spaming stolen sites/stolen content, spamming beast sites etc etc etc and the owners got out of it as revenues (spam) declined and the writing was on the wall that there was little future for mailing or building new revenue models that could replace that lost income. Good for them.. bad for you. These people are and have been a complete fucking disaster and you deserve to lose your money if you haven't figured that obvious truth out yet.

Fucking retards. What part of "i am sorry, but we dont have money to pay you because we are sloppy and ignorant" don't you understand?
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01-01-2005, 12:18 PM

dawgy:

the odds you actually spoke with someone at that company today are 1 in a billion. the whole staff has been on holiday since before christmas.

Hi Dawgy. Na, there have been staff at iBill answering/fending off people. Tho doubt there are any/many working New Years Day :-)

You got reasons for saying the above or have you been lied to??

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01-01-2005, 12:27 PM

they are so fucked
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01-01-2005, 12:30 PM

hmm i was trying to post a new thread
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01-01-2005, 12:53 PM

J.R.:

I was thinking of filing on them as well.

If I am not mistaken, I can sue them from my own city in WA. since
technically this is where the biz. takes place ?

I am going to chat with my attorney next week.

Speak with your attorney, but it's almost not worth the effort unless you have some speciality issue - other than funds they may owe.

Unless something magical happens, (tho that is not even the end of the story), - the usual bankruptcy and chapter whatever excuses will not be long. It basically means just lodging your claim with the liquidators or whoever.

When you consider, - forgetting all clients funds owed, - iBill did have around $22million deficit at the time of the Penthouse scavenging in the hope they could skin the bones further.

I can't see iBill has any paper value when you add client funds to the deficit (tho some are held by FD and balances at couple of other banks), because others have legal suits pending where the settlement amounts could take the $22m deficit to over $100m - depending.

There are other problems yet, even if iBill closed doors. Their history is being checked out and who knows what may arise out of that - it's colorful!

As far as webmasters are concerned, there is an interesting scenario.. and ironic one, where a liquidator will be negotiating/demanding funds from FD and others (the funds being the property of webmasters) and these funds being applied to evenly pay out the total indebtedness of iBill - basically devaluing the funds due to webmasters. Tho that can be another legal suit :-)

Dunno the law regarding this in the State of Florida, but plenty places elsewhere, it is a corporate criminal offense to operate a company while that company is insolvent. Sadly, I'd think that is pretty close at the moment.

Meanwhile... I better attend InterNext, even if it's just to collect my present from the iBill stand :-) Not!

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01-01-2005, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Webby

Hi Dawgy. Na, there have been staff at iBill answering/fending off people. Tho doubt there are any/many working New Years Day :-)

You got reasons for saying the above or have you been lied to??

anyone who has any information is on holiday... cathy, bert, all the sales reps, all the accounting people, etc...

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01-01-2005, 01:55 PM

Dawgy:

Course there are people there who know - I and several others have been dealing with them all last week. There are people there who "know" - but manage to tell others in iBill lies to pass on.

Tho the "dealing" has now ceased - it's already on to the next stage. Sad load of shitbags...

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01-01-2005, 01:59 PM

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01-02-2005, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Dawgy

you spoke to an ibill rep on a saturday? new years day? gimmie a break. not siding with ibill here, but the odds you actually spoke with someone at that company today are 1 in a billion. the whole staff has been on holiday since before christmas....

Originally posted by Dawgy

anyone who has any information is on holiday... cathy, bert, all the sales reps, all the accounting people, etc...

It's called a telephone, Dawgy. Might want to try it out before insinuating that someone is lying. "cathy, bert, all the sales reps..." Nice subtle namedropping, dude. Could you impart more of your constructive wisdom on the subject please? It's helpful.

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11-28-2005, 02:43 PM

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11-28-2005, 03:27 PM

fyi there have been many people who sued i bill and got every last dime.

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11-30-2005, 08:37 AM

Do you have names ?

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker

fyi there have been many people who sued i bill and got every last dime.

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