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Old 12-29-2004, 01:32 PM   #51
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its all political. If the US didn't donate they'd have some issues to deal with. I'm sure there's a reason that they donated and that they donated low.
Definitely. When it comes to a government donating anything, it's politically motivated.
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The hope is that the haters will like us if we give them money/aid!

I personally believe in giving humanitarian aid, but agree that providing money/aid, does not win "hearts and minds" blah blah blah.....
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:35 PM   #53
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Again. Please explain about all this money aid the US gives, as the rest of us know they give fuck all
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The USA ranks 20th in a list of the biggest per capita givers of foreign aid.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don_cap

Virtually every other first world country ranks ahead of it .
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:38 PM   #55
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from 'why does someone do something ...' to 'Canada is shit' ... very nice ... I see a future in politics for some of you.

If everyone in the world drop acid or MDMA/MDEA at the very same time we would not have this 'my penis is bigger than yours is' conversation ... it is a stale as the Latin girls ass.
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ok i am a white man, and all these countires basically want the white man dead, they raise their children to hate the white man. they are jealous,
I think ya may have started on a wrong assumption.... and the post starts falling further after that :-)

It is clear you have not visited or actually spoken with people from countries who don't have stuff like MacDonald's on every corner.

Generally you will find they have values far higher than... hell, knows, but probably the majority of the "dollar-chasing-white-men".

Contrary to "hating" anyone, they are the most generous and hospitable people I've ever known and would share the last food they have with you.

Ain't for me to say.. I don't know ya Metaman, but it looks like it is you who may have loads of misconceptions and learned behaviour about people from other countries. Many just have values above those expressed in your post, - and jealously is certainly not blatant among them.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:44 PM   #57
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you will understand if I think you are a fucking liar.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:47 PM   #58
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Again. Please explain about all this money aid the US gives, as the rest of us know they give fuck all
Na, your right! the U.S does not provide aid to anyone, never has, never helped Europe rebuild after WWII, forgiven loans, or anything like that!

We are all a bunch of shameful motherfuckers, not helping anyone else in the world!
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:47 PM   #59
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Na, your right! the U.S does not provide aid to anyone, never has, never helped Europe rebuild after WWII, forgiven loans, or anything like that!
We gave = United Kingdom $74.88 per person last year

you gave = United States $23.76 per person

stop believing the propoganda your goverment tells you, it makes you look kinda dumb
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You said it Chapachups!!!

I'd be fucking ashamed to claim some posts made here were ever from folks I'd call friends.

They still don't get the point and doubt they ever would, but talk shit about "countries", how good or bad they are.

No country matters a shit - it is people that matter.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:55 PM   #63
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We gave = United Kingdom $74.88 per person last year

you gave = United States $23.76 per person

stop believing the propoganda your goverment tells you, it makes you look kinda dumb
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don

so we gave more overall but since its less per person we're heartless bastards?
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You said it Chapachups!!!

I'd be fucking ashamed to claim some posts made here were ever from folks I'd call friends.

They still don't get the point and doubt they ever would, but talk shit about "countries", how good or bad they are.

No country matters a shit - it is people that matter.

Hi Webby! Yeah, the last idiot certainly hasnt been born yet.

Guys, show some fucking respect!
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:57 PM   #65
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so we gave more overall but since its less per person we're heartless bastards?
OK Ill explain in English.

There are more of you. You give less than most other western countries. Plus on top of that you take back more than you give. Unlike most other western countires. Get a clue
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Coming from a liar, that doesn't bother me
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What! no propaganda in your country?? Where you from UK?? Where do you get your information from?
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I get mine from Fox news and President Bush like you.
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I get mine from Fox news and President Bush like you.

Fucking case closed!
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OK Ill explain in English.

There are more of you. You give less than most other western countries. Plus on top of that you take back more than you give. Unlike most other western countires. Get a clue
more doesnt mean shit
we grow millions per year with worthless people who feed off our social service programs who put nothing back.

you give 1/3 of what norway gives
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We still give three times more than the US
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Old 12-29-2004, 02:12 PM   #75
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SWEDEN: Sent 2 communications specialists to help U.N. relief efforts in Sri Lanka. Sending tents and communications equipment to the Maldives. Swedish Red Cross to contribute $750,000 to IFRC appeal.


fucking cheap ass swedes.
It's old data. Saw other numbers in todays paper.
Every country is doing their best to help in the worst disaster in modern history.

Btw.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don_cap

Economic aid - donor (per capita)
5. Sweden $191.48 per person
16. Canada $40.36 per person
20. United States $23.76 per person

So please STFU about all the hating. We're talking about a terrible disaster that has a huge effect on everybody in the world that doesn't lack compassion.
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ok i am a white man, and all these countires basically want the white man dead, they raise their children to hate the white man. they are jealous,

now i know this entire tsunami thing i sad but why should the USA give a fucking dime to them? everyone hates on them then runs to them in times of crisis.

same goes for IRAQ i hope they build 1 giant walmart and pave over every single school for a giant parking lot.

why dont the europeans help? they never do shit. last time i checked africa is fucked up because of the british and french, but no one says shit.

so to sum up my point, the USA shouldnt give a dime to anyone and just let the stupid europeans save the world because i am sick and tired of seeing people hate on them then come begging.

I often wonder the same thing myself. Afterall, charity begins at home.
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I'm not sure but I think countries like india and thailand love to have americans over there that spend a lot of money... so that doesn't seem like real hate to me....
Everyone loves you (the US tourist) while you are there. They just talk about you after you leave
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ok i am a white man, and all these countires basically want the white man dead, they raise their children to hate the white man. they are jealous,

now i know this entire tsunami thing i sad but why should the USA give a fucking dime to them? everyone hates on them then runs to them in times of crisis.

same goes for IRAQ i hope they build 1 giant walmart and pave over every single school for a giant parking lot.

why dont the europeans help? they never do shit. last time i checked africa is fucked up because of the british and french, but no one says shit.

so to sum up my point, the USA shouldnt give a dime to anyone and just let the stupid europeans save the world because i am sick and tired of seeing people hate on them then come begging.
Stop getting your information from your television and think before you talk. That load of crap is getting so old..

I don't care if the meaning this thread really is to provoke an argument, all it does is promote hate.

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We still give three times more than the US

Are you a moron? You are arguing this same shit in two topics.. spouting off about this yet you ignore the facts I presented you in the other topic.

Using your donations per person numbers and Yahoo's world fact book
it seems the US still donates more than France. However I think this method is flawed and I don't think it shows an accurate amount but assuming your numbers are correct it should be close..

United States $23.76 x 275,562,673 (est population) = $6,547,369,110.48

France $104.76 x 59,329,691 (est population) = $6,215,378,429.16

3. Denmark $302.72 x 5,336,394 (est population) = $1,615,433,191.68
2. Norway $307.95 x 4,481,162 (est population) = $1,379,973,837.90
1. Luxembourg $352.30 x 437,389 (est population) = $154,092,144.70

BTW to even back these numbers up here is another that shows almost the same numbers.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don

So unless your ass is Japanese STFU because you are wrong.
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Are you a moron? You are arguing this same shit in two topics.. spouting off about this yet you ignore the facts I presented you in the other topic.

Using your donations per person numbers and Yahoo's world fact book
it seems the US still donates more than France. However I think this method is flawed and I don't think it shows an accurate amount but assuming your numbers are correct it should be close..

United States $23.76 x 275,562,673 (est population) = $6,547,369,110.48

France $104.76 x 59,329,691 (est population) = $6,215,378,429.16

3. Denmark $302.72 x 5,336,394 (est population) = $1,615,433,191.68
2. Norway $307.95 x 4,481,162 (est population) = $1,379,973,837.90
1. Luxembourg $352.30 x 437,389 (est population) = $154,092,144.70

BTW to even back these numbers up here is another that shows almost the same numbers.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don

So unless your ass is Japanese STFU because you are wrong.

It's useless to argue with a retard like that! he doesn't get it!

It's fact we give out more aid than any other country! as a country, private sector, and of course govenrment. Not to mention zero interest loans!! military support.

Not to imply we are the only ones giving aid....

He hasn't got a clue!
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anyway my answer is - because it is the right thing to do.


I have been interested in the way the British public has reacted to this. This country is HUGE on giving to charity (just don't get me started on how most of it is to animal charities) and it leads to an interesting reaction when they think their government isn't reflecting that. Originally it was said that the UK was only going to give one million pounds (plus whatever is given through the EU). Every radio show I turned on was British people saying it was disgusting it was and demanding their government give more. I woke up to a report that some 35 million pounds was now being given. It was just interesting to see a gov't be brow beaten into giving more tax payers money to another country.

Oh, and from what I read this is the biggest disater in Swedish history - give them a break, they are giving and doing what they can.
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Yea!! Sounds sane!! :-)

Tho others may be more concerned about having a discussion over who gives most and who's turn it is to foot the bill for the heating... don't even dicuss the massive cost of food. That would sent em into a frenzy!
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anyway my answer is - because it is the right thing to do.


I have been interested in the way the British public has reacted to this. This country is HUGE on giving to charity (just don't get me started on how most of it is to animal charities) and it leads to an interesting reaction when they think their government isn't reflecting that. Originally it was said that the UK was only going to give one million pounds (plus whatever is given through the EU). Every radio show I turned on was British people saying it was disgusting it was and demanding their government give more. I woke up to a report that some 35 million pounds was now being given. It was just interesting to see a gov't be brow beaten into giving more tax payers money to another country.

Oh, and from what I read this is the biggest disater in Swedish history - give them a break, they are giving and doing what they can.


You are right! what's important is that everyone gives aid, and that the aid get's to where it's most needed! Who cares what the breakdowns are!
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ok i am a white man, and all these countires basically want the white man dead, they raise their children to hate the white man. they are jealous,


why dont the europeans help? they never do shit. last time i checked africa is fucked up because of the british and french, but no one says shit.
You are contradicting yourself here are you not ??

You say you don't wanna help because they hate the white man, and yet you want us (white) Europeans to help...
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How do you mean ??
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BTW... All these initial figures being mentioned from all over, - they ain't real so hard to condemn any of them. Nobody knows anything yet and till they have any clues, it's meaningless to talk money.

If even the UK govt was stupid enough to say there were offering a million UK pounds as their share of what appears to be the major disaster of our lifetimes, is the day they cease to exist as a government. Next please...

If any govt minister actually said that was their total contrib - they ain't gonna be any govt minister for long :-) It's hardly enough to build an decent office block.

Right now, I'd give credit to those on the ground helping - it is much more relevant that urgent support is there to help save more lives. So far, it seems both the Israeli and French units were there first and US has stuff on the way now.

BTW.. You heard in the UK if they got off their asses yet and any assistance started?
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How do you mean ??

You guys have more animal charities than any other country I know of and it isn't a bad thing. I just sometimes think that humans get less play than the emotional blackmail charity adverts from the RSPCA, etc. However, that said, the emense social conscience this country has is part of the reason I chose to call it my home.
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You from Glasgow SM? :-)

You must know UK folks treat animals better than some nations treat human beings?? :-)
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Right now, I'd give credit to those on the ground helping - it is much more relevant that urgent support is there to help save more lives. So far, it seems both the Israeli and French units were there first and US has stuff on the way now.

BTW.. You heard in the UK if they got off their asses yet and any assistance started?
British are sending people to help. I do agree totally though. People giving Sweden a hard time for sending specialists to help? Well, sometimes it isn't all about money - there are people there that are going to be getting very sick, very soon and a doctor sent to help them is just as important as a few dollars.
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You from Glasgow SM? :-)

You must know UK folks treat animals better than some nations treat human beings?? :-)
I'm not so sure. I've seen enough bad shit that happens, and i hate it.

I know we might be alot better than other countries, but there is still a problem here...
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You guys have more animal charities than any other country I know of and it isn't a bad thing. I just sometimes think that humans get less play than the emotional blackmail charity adverts from the RSPCA, etc. However, that said, the emense social conscience this country has is part of the reason I chose to call it my home.
I know where your coming from, but for me, i'd give my last penny to an animal charity.

It might sound strange, but it's just how i am with these things. Like you say, it's not a bad thing, i'm glad this country isn't as bad as many others with the way they treat animals...
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British are sending people to help. I do agree totally though. People giving Sweden a hard time for sending specialists to help? Well, sometimes it isn't all about money - there are people there that are going to be getting very sick, very soon and a doctor sent to help them is just as important as a few dollars.
Yep!! Every one qualified person on the ground at the moment probably matters more than money right now. Folks can survive without food and water for a while, but can't if they get a bout of disease or no medical attention.

The effect of this is going to be massive, even on mental health alone.
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No place is perfect Scott... I'm from UK but got tired of bs and walked with my feet.

Since then... around 30 or so other UK familes seemed to have followed us and done the same! :-) And a number from both the US and Canada.

BTW... How much is "council tax" there now?? :-)
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the death toll rises, wow o wow, i cannot even belive a disaster like this happened,

if anyone doesnt get the point yet i was trying to be extreme in certain posts on purpose.

anyone just see that new footage of like 15 people trying to hang onto a light poll i think it was and this giant wave just comes and knocks half them off.

what a way to go i mean seriously what a way to go, giant wave barelling in on you and you just stand there knowing you are basically screwd.

hopefully this will set up worldwide research so nothing like this ever happens again.

does anyone know anyone actually going down there?
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This existence and dimension we all share is a process for the development of and testing of mankinds souls.

The ultimate goal is to become selfless. To give of yourself willingly without having to think about it, to care for others welfare and well being, to have compassion for those less fortunate, to forgive those who do you wrong, to teach positive traits to others and our children, to love unconditionally.

We as a united soul of people are from reaching this point in our spiritual growth. It is imperative that we all start to wake up to the fact that we are all brothers. We need to stop seeing each other for the color of our skin, the amount of each person's wealth or poverty, the color of our blood. Underneath all that we all look the same. We are all kindred spirits traveling through this journey together.

We need to elevate our minds from the way we look at things now to a much higher consciousness and spiritual way of thought. When we all start to do that and genuinely care about each other this planet will elevate itself to a much greater world, where love and peace will be our mantra.
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does anyone know anyone actually going down there?
It does seem to be getting worse as more is known......

Only know one person, but he was not involved, but flew straight in their from Iraq after the shit hit. There are no problems getting in - it's the flights out that are the problem. He is a war photographer and I know why he is there :-) It ain't money or bullshit reasons - he knows he can do best by making it known what is happening and raise awareness down to the level of individual suffering. Basically the same reasons he shoots images of war.
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