pussyluver

I always had my suspect that is what might have happened. Wish that there was 100% trust in the government on an issue like this. I can see how it would be hard to say, we shot down our own airliner. This puts a cloud over the real heros on that flight and that's sad.

from CNN:

Pentagon: Rumsfeld misspoke on Flight 93 crash
Defense secretary's remark to troops fuels conspiracy theories
From Jamie McIntyre
CNN Washington


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comment Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made during a Christmas Eve address to U.S. troops in Baghdad has sparked new conspiracy theories about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

In the speech, Rumsfeld made a passing reference to United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to stop al Qaeda hijackers.

But in his remarks, Rumsfeld referred to the "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania."

A Pentagon spokesman insisted that Rumsfeld simply misspoke, but Internet conspiracy theorists seized on the reference to the plane having been shot down.

"Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy" asked a posting on the Web site WorldNetDaily.com.

Some people remain skeptical of U.S. government statements that, despite a presidential authorization, no planes were shot down September 11, and rumors still circulate that a U.S. military plane shot the airliner down over Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

A Pentagon spokesman insists Rumsfeld has not changed his opinion that the plane crashed as the result of an onboard struggle between passengers and terrorists.

The independent panel charged with investigating the terrorist attacks concluded that the hijackers intentionally crashed Flight 93, apparently because they feared the passengers would overwhelm them.

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I'm not sure but it makes me think they should investigate it...

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sean416

meh... we'll never know the truth, why bother speculate.

Maybe a dumb question, but if they DID shoot it down, why wouldnt they just admit it? In fear of admitting that they killed the people on board?

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pussyluver

They did. Maybe it was a white-wash report. It would detract from calling those people heros if we shot the plane down. Plus all the political fall out. Rumsfeld's slip of the tongue was prolly close to the truth. How else would you expalin away a comment like that. Think of all the secrets in his head that he has to remember to STFU about.

pussyluver

They should admit it if that is what happened, but then there would be the heat for killing our own people! Even though it might have been required. Could of affected the outcome of the next election.

hyper

I always said they shot it down.

there was too much secrecy between the first 3 crashes and the reporting of flight 93 crashing.

you didnt here anything for a few hours

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I dont see that admiting that they shot it down would take away from the Heros that Did die on that plane. They still tried to stop them, and that is what makes them a Hero. If the US Shot them down, it was to save a lot more lives, and that I can understand, But if they admitted to it now, the people would be all over their asses to find out what else thay have lied about in the past. They will never let the truth come out.

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Greg Jacobson

Why would Rumsfeld lie to his own countrymen?

Ron Bennett

Why else would the U.S. govt hide so much of the details surrounding the crash, and that of the plane which crashed into the Pentagon - lots of questions surrounding that ... and the govt has only ever released a few grainy stills, which appeared to have been doctored, of that ... the Pentagon has a lot more than one crappy discount special camera focused on the Pentagon ... so why haven't they ever released any of that other footage?

Simple, the U.S. govt, as so often in the past, is hiding a lot of details from the public - to be clear, I for one, am NOT suggesting the U.S. govt had anything to do with the 911 attacks per se, but rather for whatever reasons is not comfortable releasing the details of the how it was handled; some suggest the U.S. govt had forewarning of the attack - for folks who think that's not possible, read up on Pearl Harbor - history often repeats itself ... sadly

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HAPPYPEEKERS

Sounds very suspisious to me

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Yes, I believe that the military shot it down.

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where was the plane heading? what was its 'would-be' target?

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Even if we did shoot it down, whats the problem ? It had to be done, or alot more people could have died.

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pussyluver

?? White House and congress were both on the list I think.

KRL

The US Government has a proven consistent track record for deceiving the public, hiding facts, distorting the truth, producing deliberate misinformation, coverups, fraud, theft, assassinations of foreign leaders, corruption, mismanagement, and just about everything else under the sun. Thus one can logically and fairly assume anything could have occured with Flight 93. But we will never know the truth.

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directfiesta

The problem???

Not being truthfull, as per the oath of the president...

You know, this is just a little bit more important than a bj.... could investigate just a little bit...

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The Bootyologist

it's very possible

who can trust the govt anymore

neverlearn

Maybe that plane was a huge missle aimed for somewhere big and populated...people are so quick to judge military decisions knowing fuck all about what couldve been...I really dont know what happened, but the US military probably had thier reasons.
bottom line...it sucks either way.

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while im highly skeptical of the government and its honesty i think the plane crashed due to the passengers struggling with the terrorists on board.

ProjectNaked

It was shot down, no way they were going to risk it hitting another building, most likely the white house-which would have been last, when all of the cameras were out recording.

TheMob

Wow, I should start selling tin hats on ebay again

Webby

Don't knock it!! Serious biz is tin hats....

That's the new version of hiding under schools desks as protection from nukes.

On the PA flight - we know it is as stated, - no govt ever lies. You are talking about people you can trust with your life...... if you must :-)

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baddog

Only a total idiot questions whether or not an airliner hit the Pentagon, the PA airliner . . . who knows? It wouldn't surprise me, or bother me.

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Pipeline Q

Here is a very interesting website...

http://www.flight93crash.com/flight9...ris_field.html

bikinihouse

American government has been fucked up ever since JFK.

There needs to be a revolution, seriously...

Manowar

I don't doubt that they shot it down, i dont think a plane hit the pentagon either.

WarChild

No, of course a plane didn't hit the Pentagon. Instead, a Plane full of passengers was crashed elsewhere and covered up just in time for something else to smash in to the Pentagon. The only question left is why anybody bothered. If you have to get rid of a plane full of people, and then you have to crash something in to the Pentagon, why not use the plane in the first place?

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I'd say our elections represent a revolution. Just a little less violent.

uno

I gotta agree with the baddog here. A plane definitely hit the pentagon. As for the one that ate dirt in PA, I remember all the first reports on that day were that it was shot down, then later it turns out that orders were given by Cheney to shoot it down, but Bush was rolling high from the "Let's roll!" slogan. Final gov't verdict, intentional terrorist grounding.

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Clearly the plane was shot down. There is plenty of proof for that even though the Bush admin doesn't want to admit it. Too bad they couldn't keep the eyewitnesses quiet

dabomb

There are zillions of websites dedicated to this very topic. Have you checked out www.911review.org and www.911truth.org and all the many others?

dabomb

That, and also there is too much forensic evidence pointing to a mid-air explosion (as opposed to a collision into the ground). For example, luggage and body parts were found miles from the crash site.

dabomb

Only an idiot scoffs at intellectual inquiry into highly suspicious activity on the part of our own government

TheFrog

i bet they did, the US government is so corrupt

dabomb

I agree, we seriously need to revolt! We deserve to know the truth and our government treats us like cattle. The only way to counter this is to refuse to act like cattle. But you're in Canada, aren't you, you lucky bastard

baddog

Here, idiot

baddog

What's keeping you?

dabomb

your point? i said intellectual inquiry dipshit

dabomb

I'm not Canadian and besides the Revolution has already begun. It's just not televised so dipshits like you don't know

dabomb

true dat

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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/27/rumsfeld.flt93/

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 Posted: 0254 GMT (1054 HKT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comment Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made during a Christmas Eve address to U.S. troops in Baghdad has sparked new conspiracy theories about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

In the speech, Rumsfeld made a passing reference to United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to stop al Qaeda hijackers.

But in his remarks, Rumsfeld referred to the "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania."

A Pentagon spokesman insisted that Rumsfeld simply misspoke, but Internet conspiracy theorists seized on the reference to the plane having been shot down.

"Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy" asked a posting on the Web site WorldNetDaily.com.

Some people remain skeptical of U.S. government statements that, despite a presidential authorization, no planes were shot down September 11, and rumors still circulate that a U.S. military plane shot the airliner down over Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

A Pentagon spokesman insists Rumsfeld has not changed his opinion that the plane crashed as the result of an onboard struggle between passengers and terrorists.

The independent panel charged with investigating the terrorist attacks concluded that the hijackers intentionally crashed Flight 93, apparently because they feared the passengers would overwhelm them.

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I red the whole NTSB file about that crash.

Some things are pretty much disturbing.

Fact 1: The NTSB reports the the aircraft eventually went down because it was in a split elevator position (left elevator down - right up) wich is technically impossible if the aircraft wasn't already damaged in the elevator because on a 747 of that type both elevators are handled by ONE hydraulic pump (backup up 2 times). So even if the captain and co-pilot do a different movement (called a break out) with the yoke the elevator still moves totally into the same position.

Fact 2: The aircraft's throttle was powered to 92% at the moment of impact yet the engines didn't show any signs of power (nothing was sucked up when the aircraft was shearing threetops) so engines where aither shut down or out of order on the moment of impact.

Fact 3: The data black box shows that whoever was flying the aircraft (or trying to) was trying to pitch up for atleast 3 mins before impact. If the aircraft was taken over by passengers and they had someone who was able to fly the aircraft (because they kept trying to pitch up) the aircraft wouldn't have crashed into the woods but near an airfield or landed safe.

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of all the witnesses, not one person claimed to have ever seen a plane hit the pentagon. The surveilance tapes on the highway (by the pentagon where the "plane" supposedly passed) and outside the pentagon were confiscated by the government and NEVER released.

The hole in the side of the pentagon was large enough for a cruise missle to make but entirely too small for a passenger jet and remind me again where ANY pieces of an airplane were recovered from the pentagon crash site, and the angle/area the plane impacted was far too low for a passenger jet to not have slammed into the ground well before it hit the wall

Only a total idiot believes what news agencies feed them, hope ya got some beer to wash that bullshit down, I hear it's kinda dry. We can all speculate it was this or that but fact remains not a single one of us will EVER know the truth about that day.

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You can argue and debate about what happened that day to no end.

I love the ideas about what happened at the Pentagon. One of the websites tells us it's impossible that the Pentagon swallowed up the entire airplane. The funny thing about that is I saw two planes be swallowed whole that day when they slammed into the World Trade Center. And I really like the one about the whole in the Pentagon, saying it's too small. The plane didn't punch a little hole in the wall of the Pentagon; It took out an entire section of the building.

I wonder how many people would be involved in covering something like this up. I'm not talking about the people at the top levels of the Government; I'm talking about the lowly air traffic control who gave the order - the the forty people sitting around him. Surely someone would have come forward by now.

Yeah, let's have an investigation about this. Let's tie up more of our tax dollars and start another witch hunt.

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UltraSonic

Correction, this crash was about the aircraft that went down in the woods.

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