Here, idiot

What's keeping you?

your point? i said intellectual inquiry dipshit :flagface

I'm not Canadian and besides the Revolution has already begun. It's just not televised so dipshits like you don't know :smokin

true dat :ticking

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/27/rumsfeld.flt93/

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 Posted: 0254 GMT (1054 HKT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comment Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made during a Christmas Eve address to U.S. troops in Baghdad has sparked new conspiracy theories about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

In the speech, Rumsfeld made a passing reference to United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to stop al Qaeda hijackers.

But in his remarks, Rumsfeld referred to the "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania."

A Pentagon spokesman insisted that Rumsfeld simply misspoke, but Internet conspiracy theorists seized on the reference to the plane having been shot down.

"Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy" asked a posting on the Web site WorldNetDaily.com.

Some people remain skeptical of U.S. government statements that, despite a presidential authorization, no planes were shot down September 11, and rumors still circulate that a U.S. military plane shot the airliner down over Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

A Pentagon spokesman insists Rumsfeld has not changed his opinion that the plane crashed as the result of an onboard struggle between passengers and terrorists.

The independent panel charged with investigating the terrorist attacks concluded that the hijackers intentionally crashed Flight 93, apparently because they feared the passengers would overwhelm them.

I red the whole NTSB file about that crash.

Some things are pretty much disturbing.

Fact 1: The NTSB reports the the aircraft eventually went down because it was in a split elevator position (left elevator down - right up) wich is technically impossible if the aircraft wasn't already damaged in the elevator because on a 747 of that type both elevators are handled by ONE hydraulic pump (backup up 2 times). So even if the captain and co-pilot do a different movement (called a break out) with the yoke the elevator still moves totally into the same position.

Fact 2: The aircraft's throttle was powered to 92% at the moment of impact yet the engines didn't show any signs of power (nothing was sucked up when the aircraft was shearing threetops) so engines where aither shut down or out of order on the moment of impact.

Fact 3: The data black box shows that whoever was flying the aircraft (or trying to) was trying to pitch up for atleast 3 mins before impact. If the aircraft was taken over by passengers and they had someone who was able to fly the aircraft (because they kept trying to pitch up) the aircraft wouldn't have crashed into the woods but near an airfield or landed safe.

of all the witnesses, not one person claimed to have ever seen a plane hit the pentagon. The surveilance tapes on the highway (by the pentagon where the "plane" supposedly passed) and outside the pentagon were confiscated by the government and NEVER released.

The hole in the side of the pentagon was large enough for a cruise missle to make but entirely too small for a passenger jet and remind me again where ANY pieces of an airplane were recovered from the pentagon crash site, and the angle/area the plane impacted was far too low for a passenger jet to not have slammed into the ground well before it hit the wall

Only a total idiot believes what news agencies feed them, hope ya got some beer to wash that bullshit down, I hear it's kinda dry. We can all speculate it was this or that but fact remains not a single one of us will EVER know the truth about that day.

EVER

http://www.assassinationscience.com/pentagon2.jpg

You can argue and debate about what happened that day to no end.

I love the ideas about what happened at the Pentagon. One of the websites tells us it's impossible that the Pentagon swallowed up the entire airplane. The funny thing about that is I saw two planes be swallowed whole that day when they slammed into the World Trade Center. And I really like the one about the whole in the Pentagon, saying it's too small. The plane didn't punch a little hole in the wall of the Pentagon; It took out an entire section of the building.

I wonder how many people would be involved in covering something like this up. I'm not talking about the people at the top levels of the Government; I'm talking about the lowly air traffic control who gave the order - the the forty people sitting around him. Surely someone would have come forward by now.

Yeah, let's have an investigation about this. Let's tie up more of our tax dollars and start another witch hunt.

Correction, this crash was about the aircraft that went down in the woods.

50 Sheep

:thumbsup :flagface :thumbsup

Tony and I had always thought that they shot it down, so this isn't news to us. :)

We know and saw some of the families of the 9/11 TT attack. We also been told and saw the list of the passengers of both flights that crashed into the TT... icluding well known hollywood motion pictures executives ...

But we do not know or hear much about that flight in PA ... aside from the audio tape that was broadcasted ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...siteid=5014 3

Its probably been posted before but here's the best eyewitness accounts

good citizens dont dispute their govts

:thefinger

a friend of my dad's has worked at the Pentagon for the last 20 years.. my dad was his CO in the air force.. within two hours of the whole 9/11 tragedy he had called to let my dad know he was ok.. I was at my parents the weekend after the tragedy occured and have known since that time that the plane was shot down intentionally by our military.. take it or leave it that's what came straight from a man that was sitting in the Pentagon talking to his old military buddy

More spin for a dishonest administration. Was never said:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan:_Let%27s_Roll

You guys should really let it go........

Hmmm....

Did you fail high school physics?

Here is the debris field for American Airlines Flight 191 that crashed in Chicago back in 1979. There wasn't too many pieces that could have been recognized as coming from a commerical aircraft.

As far as no one claiming to have seen a jetliner crash into the Pentagon, you have to stop beliving that bullshit from France, I could find plenty of quotes from the 11th on that said they saw a commerical jetliner crash into Pentagon.

"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001

"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle?almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course.'"
- "Journalist Witnesses Pentagon Crash." eWeek.com, 13 Sep 2001

"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing black smoke.'"
- "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. ... He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. 'You could almost see the people in the windows,' he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit."
- "Sept. 11, the Day America Changed." The Baxter Bulletin, 2001

"Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don?t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash."
- "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001

www.reopen911.org
 

www.reopen911.org

CHECK THAT OUT!!!!

The plane was a 757-222, not a 747.

Point is moot. Even if some sort of damning evidence were to arise, would it really make a difference? The current administration is contradicted at least once a week - they are outrightly lying. nothing happens. and nothing will. and when the next cronie puppet fills the Big Seat - you're guranteed the same shit.

damn all the conspiracy nuts in here

Patriotism is the final refuge of the....weak and cowardly?
whats the rest of that quotation?

Some people cant, and perhaps will never come to terms with what happened on that tragic day. If you weren't an expert on airplane crashes, explosions or collisions before sept 11, then I doubt you are now.

This should make you very angry then: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=443711

Was the purpose of this post to spead misinformation again...or just...to once again display your ignorance.

Pig shit.

Hmm...spead?

You're confusing the presidential oath of office:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

with the Boy Scout's Law:

A scout is trustworthy...

If presidents were required to tell the truth all the fuckers would be impeached.

I have have read much of the conspiracy 'evidence' and it wouldn't really surprise me eitherway.

the GENERALS shot it down (despite having the power to do so withdrawn from them by Secretary of Defense in July 2001 - public information, look it up).

We don't know the whole truth and we never will but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight for it.

No absolutely not!

Great place we have eh.

Thanks god.

Thanks leet fags

And if the US did shoot it down? They had every right to. The passengers were already dead. The plane was taken over by terrorists who had already dumped three planes on other buildings, killing thousands of people and doing billions of dollars in damage.

naw my massive load shot it down, sorry

does this moron only post nights and weekends?
:1orglaugh

wtf old thread

Even if they DID shoot the plane down, the end effect would have been the same, the plane still would have crashed, mind you.. if not shot down the plane could have actually reeached a populated area. In this case if they did shoot it down they did it for a greater cause than just shotting it down.