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wiZd0m · 10-17-2001, 09:44 PM

A strong idea being heavily lobbied right now in the usa is the <a href="http://www0.mercurycenter.com/local/center/id101701.htm">National ID Card</a>, which would hold data such as:

- Social Security number
- Detailed personal data
- Digital records of the person's thumbprint
- Digital records of the person's palm print
- Digital records of the person's face or eyes.

Of course, these cards cards would be voluntary for all U.S. citizens, just like the Drivers Liscenses are. And mandatory for all foreigners.

( Yeah, it'll be really cute when you can't fly on a plane, ride a train, get a credit card, open a bank account, or get a job without one... )

Of course, America is not like a police state country where it's police officer would just stop people looking suspicious and asking "Zeigen Sie Ihre Papiere, Kameraden!". ( Right. )

This remionds me of one of the issues that comes up often in discussing firearms purchase controls, is how to provide a mechanism to deny access by prohibited persons, without inherently building a database of all the lawful purchases and purchasers?
The basic premise of 'National ID' systems is that if we build a database of all law-abiding trustworthy citizens, anybody who does not exist in this database must be a 'prohibited person'.

This premise is also one of the biggest dangers of a national ID, and the primary objection raised by civil libertarians and the ultra paranoid.

The 'Brady Bill' background check law was written with a safeguard- all records of 'successful' checks were to be deleted. In reality, the Clinton administration ignored this limitation, holding records indefinitely.

The same sort of behavior can be expected regarding any safeguards built into a 'National ID' system.

Later of course we could expand it for more specific information like your health records, financial status, political slant, religious affiliations and employment history. Of course you would not have to provide this to anyone else, but then again they would not have to hire you, provide products or services, and extend credit to you.

If this was in place on 9/11, would it have stopped the terrorists?" Ding-ding-ding, I am sorry, but at last count something like 14 of the hijackers were unknown to anyone. They would have had cards that allowed them to get on without an issue.

But what about the others? They would have been stopped? Ding-ding-ding, no, they would not have been on to begin with, or they would have paid someone to create or reprogram cards.

Anyways, I'll conclude with this quote, which is sad, but true:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" --Thomas Jefferson

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boneprone · 10-17-2001, 09:45 PM

We need scanable implants under our skin for ID.

The Beast has risen!

bryany · 10-17-2001, 09:53 PM

My dog has a microchip inserted in his back

Now the little bastard can never run away!

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wiZd0m · 10-17-2001, 09:56 PM

Of course, how good are chips if not being able to track your dog without a Global Positioning System...

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TheFLY · 10-17-2001, 10:03 PM

"Do you really need a Social Security number? No.* According to the written law, there is never a need in American society for a
person to obtain, have, or use a Social Security number, unless he or she is
seeking Social Security benefits from the Social Security Administration, or is seeking some other, government-related, handout." http://www.foundingspirit.com/SSN/

I think it is a sick and disgusting idea...

What if you want to jog to the beach for a swim -- do you stay home because you can't get your ID card wet?

Implants are the only way! Then we can track everyone by satellite ;)

What if one of those foreign people tries to have a baby in secret so the baby doesn't have a social security number!? Maybe we should just kill all their babies too! Hehe...

Was I the only one that read 1984? hehehe...
Cool book! Go read it.

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TheFLY · 10-17-2001, 10:08 PM

This is a very cool site...
"Life without a social security number"

Basically the adventures and the hell of trouble this guy goes through because he has no social security number. And by law, you are not required to have a social security number!
http://www.cjmciver.org/free.shtml

Hey this one is cool but kindof stupid! HeHe...

"SOCIAL SECURITY: Idolatry and Slavery" http://www.mercyseat.net/ssnarticle.htm

wiZd0m · 10-17-2001, 10:12 PM

From the <a href="http://www.faqs.org/faqs/privacy/ssn-faq/">Social Security Number FAQ</a>:

"It's not a good idea to carry your SSN card with you (or other documents
that contain your SSN). If you should lose your wallet or purse, your SSN
would make it easier for a thief to apply for credit in your name or
otherwise fraudulently use your number."

Now imagine if said card also contained or linked to a database containing your fingerprints, facial scans, and DNA sequencing. Better hope you don't ever drop your wallet, or get it stolen.

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Rocky · 10-17-2001, 10:22 PM

this idea has been around for a long time

when i used to work for a "smart card" company we all had to be checked by the FBI and other government bodies because the chips we were using were highly encrypted and considered "munitions"

the european and asian community are already very familiar with the usage of smart cards with regards to banking, phones, etc - it's just North America that has not caught up to using the technology

but i just noticed a commercial from Visa and they have just introduced a "smart" credit card, so i guess things are on there way here as well

someone asked on another thread what position the credit card companies will take in the future - in this industry - and the answer will be "smart cards"

it operates as the ultimate AVS, money is actual and not virtual and there will never be any more chargebacks

although more information can be learned about each individual with these cards, many companies have allowed room for anonymous usage

anyone using a credit card right now has been tracked since they first started using the card and all information sits in a data base

we gave up our anonymity a long time ago

TheFLY · 10-17-2001, 10:27 PM

true true...

that's why you should use cash as much as possible... when you pay w/ your credit card at the grocery store -- the grocery store sells that information about you (ie: what products you buy) and makes money...

I think I read that in Wired magazine a long time ago.

lightswitch · 10-17-2001, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bryany:
My dog has a microchip inserted in his back
Now the little bastard can never run away!

We just did that to our cats, pretty slick. I was dissapointed to hear that i couldnt zap them @ will with the TV remote, when they missbehave.

lightswitch · 10-17-2001, 11:26 PM

PRO

I like & dislike the idea of teh National ID card. Heres why I like it. Wouldn't it be great to just have one fucken card do everything. think credit cards are much more sercure when tehy have the users photo on them. half the time Id is needed for a check or even my credit cards i wrote "SEE ID" on the back of instead of signing. your SS # is used as a indentification base for credit anyways so why not just have that be your CC number.

Example: YOu buy a case of brew that is on sale with your club card.

Now with one swipe you have, proven your 21, gotten the discount, & paid for the beer. Then two hours latter I get pulled over for chucking my empties out onto the highway, I can use the same card, with the patrol officer.

lightswitch · 10-17-2001, 11:27 PM

& now for the Cons.

I hate the idea of someone else using any information
on that card agaisnt me. & don't think it wouldn't happen.
I like guns, & i don'w want those fucken bastards knocking
on my door to collect them, when some pencel dicked politician
makes them illegal. All because my ID card has that info
on it.

MOst people just shrug, when they are told that grocery stores
use their buying habbits. This little story will make you
rethink it.

a few years ago I had some checks stolen from me. The police
were pretty useless in the matter. Even when I told them I
Knew who did it.

But hey!, i was working for a private investigator & had a few
tricks. I had the chick who stole my checks followed (It was a sad
deal she was down on her luck, & had been buying food with my checks,
BUt still it was my fucken $$$, & I was planning on using it for beer!)
K so back the suspected theif being followed. After she made the
purchases, my freind who follwed her, just noted what. Check out lane
she used & the time. I latter made an appointment with the manager,
told her the time & what check out lane. Pulled it all up in the database
& BLAM she used her club card, which provided her name, address, exactly
what she purchased, & MY CHECK NUMBER. Along with other purchases, with
MY check number. Got what I needed police could do something now.

Thats not what shocked me.

what amazed me came out in a conversation with the manager as she looked
up the information. She started bragging about how the store
had recently won a court case agaist a lady who slipped & hurt
herself inside their store. They were able to use her, club card
information to prove she rarley bought food & was an alcholic,
thus discrediting her!

Oh christ, couple of beers and a computer, next thing I know ive
writen a book. Ill stop now.

Amputate Your Head · 10-17-2001, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY:
that's why you should use cash as much as possible...

Tough to build any kinda credit using that method... also makes it rough for buying stuff anywhere other than in person... like porn sites.

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Rocky · 10-17-2001, 11:57 PM

i forgot to mention that a "smart card" reader was developed that would plug into a port on any computer - thus enabling sales and real time money transactions online

as for the statement about health records, financial status, political slant, religious affiliations and employment history...they are already being tracked

your health records can be tracked everytime you use OHIP coverage (here in Canada), your financial status is tracked by bank statements, your political slant is tracked by voting and if you're radical or think outside of the box it's tracked by the kind of books you purchase and your employment history is tracked through taxes

but what worries me about the National ID Card is the use of biometrics

imagine this scenario once the card has a loadable purse for use at a bank

you go to a bank machine to take out some cash

a robber could either knock you unconscious and use your card plus one of the scanning options (pushing your eye or hand onto/into the scanning port)

worse case scenario

the person wants to adopt your identity and kills you, steals your card and chops off your hand and rips out your eyeball (sounds a bit far-fetched, but it has always been a real concern of people working in the biometric industry)

TheFLY · 10-18-2001, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lightswitch:
your SS # is used as a indentification base for credit anyways so why not just have that be your CC number.

Yeah but the only problem is that you don't need credit if you have money. Who decided that credit is a necessity? Just like I don't need a social security number -- I don't need a fucking credit card number either.

What you propose could be convenient... but why are you trying to save time? Are you saving time to work more so you can pay off your credit cards? Hehe... It's an evil circle.

And yes it is even possible to survive without money... Imagine that!? Everything that you need to survive, the land can provide absolutely free! I think people forget sometimes that we are human.

Artificial insemination is also convenient. But sorry, I'd rather fuck.

hehe

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TheFLY · 10-18-2001, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lightswitch:
herself inside their store. They were able to use her, club card
information to prove she rarley bought food & was an alcholic,
thus discrediting her!

Oh christ, couple of beers and a computer, next thing I know ive
writen a book. Ill stop now.

Totally fascinating...

TheFLY · 10-18-2001, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocky:
the person wants to adopt your identity and kills you, steals your card and chops off your hand and rips out your eyeball (sounds a bit far-fetched, but it has always been a real concern of people working in the biometric industry)

Yeah, that was in the movie "Demolition Man" w/ Stalone, right?

chass · 10-18-2001, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wiZd0m:

Of course, these cards cards would be voluntary for all U.S. citizens, just like the Drivers Liscenses are. And mandatory for all foreigners.

( Yeah, it'll be really cute when you can't fly on a plane, ride a train, get a credit card, open a bank account, or get a job without one... )

Of course, America is not like a police state country where it's police officer would just stop people looking suspicious and asking "Zeigen Sie Ihre Papiere, Kameraden!". ( Right. )

Hope it doesn't get to the point where you have to show a "number" or whatever to buy anything! In the Book of Revelation...it states you will not be able to buy anything without the number of the "beast" which is 666...

No to your idea!!

wiZd0m · 10-18-2001, 05:37 AM

I really don't know if you can link this to religious type stuff, but you can always ask SweetJimmy, he seems to be well aware of these things from the way his websites looks ...

You might have problems reaching him though, last time I check he was pretty busy fightning the alien invasion, the end of the world and the new world order ...

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TheFLY · 10-18-2001, 11:40 AM

666 HEX = 11001100110 BIN!

I was reading this book about an autistic child who had some strange ability w/ numbers... At a very early age she figured out that the number 10001 could be used for encryption purposes... Very fascinating shit. Maybe it would freak you out if 11001100110 had some special encryption properties...

11001100110/10001 = 1100000011 x10^3 ;)

See is that fucked up or what!?

These kinds of palindromic looking numbers can be used for encryption... because they allow you to hide a sort of distinctive signature inside of otherwise random looking numbers.

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TheFLY · 10-18-2001, 11:55 AM

"Due to deep-seated Cold War fears, encryption is highly regulated by
the U.S. Departments of State and Commerce, which refuse to license any secure encryption product for export unless it utilizes "key
recovery", a law enforcement code word for the ability of third-parties (not originally intended to receive the message) to easily
decrypt information."
http://www.eff.org/descracker/

So 666 could possibly be used for "key recovery" ;) Cool eh? Hehe...

Rip · 10-18-2001, 12:39 PM

Don't look now, but it's already happening, with or without objections, these cards are already filtering in as well as other id systems

US-Canada customs are already talking about implimenting a common id system which uses retina scan as well as an id on your car, just read it in the paper this morning

The idea being to increase the trade back to normal to get the economies going again, while still being able to nab the criminals

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Rocky · 10-18-2001, 12:46 PM

it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, a beautiful day in the neighborhood, won't you be mine?

okay boys and girls, today we're going to talk about our loss of personal freedom

can you say "New World Order"?

sure you can

don't you just love the endless applications for RF tagging; pets, cars, cheating wives/husbands

E-van · 10-18-2001, 12:51 PM

For my whole life, I've lived in countries where there are National ID cards, and I tell you, it's no big deal, it's actually helpful in stablishing your identity at banks and many other places, and it replaces a lot of paperwork that you had to use before.

you shouldn't be afraid of it, if used wisely, they can be really great, don't misuse it though!

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Clownbarf · 10-18-2001, 01:00 PM

I ain't got nothing to hide and don't really see why any law abiding citizen would object to better identification that is harder to fake.

Free Recip Host · 10-19-2001, 12:21 AM

I wouldn't let anyone put anything in my thumb.

The government would know where you were at all times. Screw that.

I could just see me on the run from the law and getting shot with a huge laser from a satellite.

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TheFLY · 10-19-2001, 03:19 AM

Hehe... Yeah and they have that laser beam in the works... I've seen a picture of it.

That would be fucked up, eh? You're watching TV... "What the fuck is that smell..."

Oh FUCK! My brain is melting...@#$%@#&$#!@#

Hahah...

boneprone · 10-19-2001, 03:50 AM

We need chips in our palms.

10-17-2001, 09:44 PM	#1
wiZd0m Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,526	National ID cards A strong idea being heavily lobbied right now in the usa is the <a href="http://www0.mercurycenter.com/local/center/id101701.htm">National ID Card</a>, which would hold data such as: - Social Security number - Detailed personal data - Digital records of the person's thumbprint - Digital records of the person's palm print - Digital records of the person's face or eyes. Of course, these cards cards would be voluntary for all U.S. citizens, just like the Drivers Liscenses are. And mandatory for all foreigners. ( Yeah, it'll be really cute when you can't fly on a plane, ride a train, get a credit card, open a bank account, or get a job without one... ) Of course, America is not like a police state country where it's police officer would just stop people looking suspicious and asking "Zeigen Sie Ihre Papiere, Kameraden!". ( Right. ) This remionds me of one of the issues that comes up often in discussing firearms purchase controls, is how to provide a mechanism to deny access by prohibited persons, without inherently building a database of all the lawful purchases and purchasers? The basic premise of 'National ID' systems is that if we build a database of all law-abiding trustworthy citizens, anybody who does not exist in this database must be a 'prohibited person'. This premise is also one of the biggest dangers of a national ID, and the primary objection raised by civil libertarians and the ultra paranoid. The 'Brady Bill' background check law was written with a safeguard- all records of 'successful' checks were to be deleted. In reality, the Clinton administration ignored this limitation, holding records indefinitely. The same sort of behavior can be expected regarding any safeguards built into a 'National ID' system. Later of course we could expand it for more specific information like your health records, financial status, political slant, religious affiliations and employment history. Of course you would not have to provide this to anyone else, but then again they would not have to hire you, provide products or services, and extend credit to you. If this was in place on 9/11, would it have stopped the terrorists?" Ding-ding-ding, I am sorry, but at last count something like 14 of the hijackers were unknown to anyone. They would have had cards that allowed them to get on without an issue. But what about the others? They would have been stopped? Ding-ding-ding, no, they would not have been on to begin with, or they would have paid someone to create or reprogram cards. Anyways, I'll conclude with this quote, which is sad, but true: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" --Thomas Jefferson ------------------ wiZd0m Thunder Free Adult Hosting - Fastest servers in the industry Fortune Pussy Adult Links - The best in adult links [This message has been edited by wiZd0m (edited 10-17-2001).]

10-17-2001, 09:45 PM	#2
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	We need scanable implants under our skin for ID. The Beast has risen!

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10-17-2001, 09:56 PM	#4
wiZd0m Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,526	Of course, how good are chips if not being able to track your dog without a Global Positioning System... ------------------ wiZd0m Thunder Free Adult Hosting - Fastest servers in the industry Fortune Pussy Adult Links - The best in adult links

10-17-2001, 10:03 PM	#5
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	"Do you really need a Social Security number? No.* According to the written law, there is never a need in American society for a person to obtain, have, or use a Social Security number, unless he or she is seeking Social Security benefits from the Social Security Administration, or is seeking some other, government-related, handout." http://www.foundingspirit.com/SSN/ I think it is a sick and disgusting idea... What if you want to jog to the beach for a swim -- do you stay home because you can't get your ID card wet? Implants are the only way! Then we can track everyone by satellite ;) What if one of those foreign people tries to have a baby in secret so the baby doesn't have a social security number!? Maybe we should just kill all their babies too! Hehe... Was I the only one that read 1984? hehehe... Cool book! Go read it. ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.thefly.net/topfly.html" TARGET=_blank> Boneprone-4-Life Family Approved</A>

10-17-2001, 10:08 PM	#6
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	This is a very cool site... "Life without a social security number" Basically the adventures and the hell of trouble this guy goes through because he has no social security number. And by law, you are not required to have a social security number! http://www.cjmciver.org/free.shtml Hey this one is cool but kindof stupid! HeHe... "SOCIAL SECURITY: Idolatry and Slavery" http://www.mercyseat.net/ssnarticle.htm

10-17-2001, 10:12 PM	#7
wiZd0m Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,526	From the <a href="http://www.faqs.org/faqs/privacy/ssn-faq/">Social Security Number FAQ</a>: "It's not a good idea to carry your SSN card with you (or other documents that contain your SSN). If you should lose your wallet or purse, your SSN would make it easier for a thief to apply for credit in your name or otherwise fraudulently use your number." Now imagine if said card also contained or linked to a database containing your fingerprints, facial scans, and DNA sequencing. Better hope you don't ever drop your wallet, or get it stolen. ------------------ wiZd0m Thunder Free Adult Hosting - Fastest servers in the industry Fortune Pussy Adult Links - The best in adult links

10-17-2001, 10:22 PM	#8
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	this idea has been around for a long time when i used to work for a "smart card" company we all had to be checked by the FBI and other government bodies because the chips we were using were highly encrypted and considered "munitions" the european and asian community are already very familiar with the usage of smart cards with regards to banking, phones, etc - it's just North America that has not caught up to using the technology but i just noticed a commercial from Visa and they have just introduced a "smart" credit card, so i guess things are on there way here as well someone asked on another thread what position the credit card companies will take in the future - in this industry - and the answer will be "smart cards" it operates as the ultimate AVS, money is actual and not virtual and there will never be any more chargebacks although more information can be learned about each individual with these cards, many companies have allowed room for anonymous usage anyone using a credit card right now has been tracked since they first started using the card and all information sits in a data base we gave up our anonymity a long time ago

10-17-2001, 10:27 PM	#9
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	true true... that's why you should use cash as much as possible... when you pay w/ your credit card at the grocery store -- the grocery store sells that information about you (ie: what products you buy) and makes money... I think I read that in Wired magazine a long time ago.

10-17-2001, 11:26 PM	#11
lightswitch Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Butte, MT, USA Posts: 870	PRO I like & dislike the idea of teh National ID card. Heres why I like it. Wouldn't it be great to just have one fucken card do everything. think credit cards are much more sercure when tehy have the users photo on them. half the time Id is needed for a check or even my credit cards i wrote "SEE ID" on the back of instead of signing. your SS # is used as a indentification base for credit anyways so why not just have that be your CC number. Example: YOu buy a case of brew that is on sale with your club card. Now with one swipe you have, proven your 21, gotten the discount, & paid for the beer. Then two hours latter I get pulled over for chucking my empties out onto the highway, I can use the same card, with the patrol officer.

10-17-2001, 11:27 PM	#12
lightswitch Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Butte, MT, USA Posts: 870	& now for the Cons. I hate the idea of someone else using any information on that card agaisnt me. & don't think it wouldn't happen. I like guns, & i don'w want those fucken bastards knocking on my door to collect them, when some pencel dicked politician makes them illegal. All because my ID card has that info on it. MOst people just shrug, when they are told that grocery stores use their buying habbits. This little story will make you rethink it. a few years ago I had some checks stolen from me. The police were pretty useless in the matter. Even when I told them I Knew who did it. But hey!, i was working for a private investigator & had a few tricks. I had the chick who stole my checks followed (It was a sad deal she was down on her luck, & had been buying food with my checks, BUt still it was my fucken $$$, & I was planning on using it for beer!) K so back the suspected theif being followed. After she made the purchases, my freind who follwed her, just noted what. Check out lane she used & the time. I latter made an appointment with the manager, told her the time & what check out lane. Pulled it all up in the database & BLAM she used her club card, which provided her name, address, exactly what she purchased, & MY CHECK NUMBER. Along with other purchases, with MY check number. Got what I needed police could do something now. Thats not what shocked me. what amazed me came out in a conversation with the manager as she looked up the information. She started bragging about how the store had recently won a court case agaist a lady who slipped & hurt herself inside their store. They were able to use her, club card information to prove she rarley bought food & was an alcholic, thus discrediting her! Oh christ, couple of beers and a computer, next thing I know ive writen a book. Ill stop now.

10-17-2001, 11:57 PM	#14
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	i forgot to mention that a "smart card" reader was developed that would plug into a port on any computer - thus enabling sales and real time money transactions online as for the statement about health records, financial status, political slant, religious affiliations and employment history...they are already being tracked your health records can be tracked everytime you use OHIP coverage (here in Canada), your financial status is tracked by bank statements, your political slant is tracked by voting and if you're radical or think outside of the box it's tracked by the kind of books you purchase and your employment history is tracked through taxes but what worries me about the National ID Card is the use of biometrics imagine this scenario once the card has a loadable purse for use at a bank you go to a bank machine to take out some cash a robber could either knock you unconscious and use your card plus one of the scanning options (pushing your eye or hand onto/into the scanning port) worse case scenario the person wants to adopt your identity and kills you, steals your card and chops off your hand and rips out your eyeball (sounds a bit far-fetched, but it has always been a real concern of people working in the biometric industry)

10-18-2001, 05:37 AM	#19
wiZd0m Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,526	I really don't know if you can link this to religious type stuff, but you can always ask SweetJimmy, he seems to be well aware of these things from the way his websites looks ... You might have problems reaching him though, last time I check he was pretty busy fightning the alien invasion, the end of the world and the new world order ... ------------------ wiZd0m Thunder Free Adult Hosting - Fastest servers in the industry Fortune Pussy Adult Links - The best in adult links

10-18-2001, 11:40 AM	#20
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	666 HEX = 11001100110 BIN! I was reading this book about an autistic child who had some strange ability w/ numbers... At a very early age she figured out that the number 10001 could be used for encryption purposes... Very fascinating shit. Maybe it would freak you out if 11001100110 had some special encryption properties... 11001100110/10001 = 1100000011 x10^3 ;) See is that fucked up or what!? These kinds of palindromic looking numbers can be used for encryption... because they allow you to hide a sort of distinctive signature inside of otherwise random looking numbers. ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.thefly.net/topfly.html" TARGET=_blank> Boneprone-4-Life Family Approved</A>

10-18-2001, 11:55 AM	#21
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	"Due to deep-seated Cold War fears, encryption is highly regulated by the U.S. Departments of State and Commerce, which refuse to license any secure encryption product for export unless it utilizes "key recovery", a law enforcement code word for the ability of third-parties (not originally intended to receive the message) to easily decrypt information." http://www.eff.org/descracker/ So 666 could possibly be used for "key recovery" ;) Cool eh? Hehe...

10-18-2001, 12:39 PM	#22
Rip Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: somewheres wet Posts: 1,456	Don't look now, but it's already happening, with or without objections, these cards are already filtering in as well as other id systems US-Canada customs are already talking about implimenting a common id system which uses retina scan as well as an id on your car, just read it in the paper this morning The idea being to increase the trade back to normal to get the economies going again, while still being able to nab the criminals ------------------ $$ DIRTY GOLD $$ Revenue Program JackThumbsTGP - - - VideoKAT-ViDeOpOsT - Post Gallieries - - - - - - - Trade Traffic -

10-18-2001, 12:46 PM	#23
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, a beautiful day in the neighborhood, won't you be mine? okay boys and girls, today we're going to talk about our loss of personal freedom can you say "New World Order"? sure you can don't you just love the endless applications for RF tagging; pets, cars, cheating wives/husbands

10-18-2001, 12:51 PM	#24
E-van Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mex Posts: 447	For my whole life, I've lived in countries where there are National ID cards, and I tell you, it's no big deal, it's actually helpful in stablishing your identity at banks and many other places, and it replaces a lot of paperwork that you had to use before. you shouldn't be afraid of it, if used wisely, they can be really great, don't misuse it though! ------------------ Phat Sites Need Phat Hosting Get PHAT And Now You can Get even Phatter! TGP Hosting Special! Sign Up Now and get 15 gigs FREE in any plan (includes TGP deal)

10-18-2001, 01:00 PM	#25
Clownbarf Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 283	I ain't got nothing to hide and don't really see why any law abiding citizen would object to better identification that is harder to fake.

10-19-2001, 12:21 AM	#26
Free Recip Host Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Murray, USA Posts: 27	I wouldn't let anyone put anything in my thumb. The government would know where you were at all times. Screw that. I could just see me on the run from the law and getting shot with a huge laser from a satellite. ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.free-recip-host.com" TARGET=_blank>Free Recip Host </A>Get your recips hosted for free and cut your work in half!

10-19-2001, 03:19 AM	#27
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Hehe... Yeah and they have that laser beam in the works... I've seen a picture of it. That would be fucked up, eh? You're watching TV... "What the fuck is that smell..." Oh FUCK! My brain is melting...@#$%@#&$#!@# Hahah...

10-19-2001, 03:50 AM	#28
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	We need chips in our palms.