Why newbies are so damned right sometimes! - GoFuckYourself.com

ADL Colin · 10-16-2001, 11:03 AM

I wrote this in 1999. Read paragraph 3 in particular.

"This business changes fast. In 3 short years I have seen many many site models come and go. Link sites, link exchanges, Top 50's, circle jerks, pic posts, thumbposts, straight sites, niche sites, search engine spams, and on and on. While some things remain relatively constant .. such as the popularity
of link sites .. other things change .. such as click through percentage and signup rates. When I first started for example, click through rates were much higher for a site's top banner and sign up ratios were MUCH better.

When the top 50/ circle jerk craze many of the "old timers" (pre-1996 webmasters) refused to participate for a variety of reasons one of which was that they believed the CJ industry was short lived. Well, a lot of us "circle jerkers" agreed with that in both private conversations and in public but our point was this: We could take advantage of the then very easy CJ money and use the capital for further investments and expansion capital.

The humorous part to me was that the industry could be ROUGHLY divided by the length of time they had been in the industry. The players that had been around a little while and the very new players of which it was the very new players that seemed to do all the circle jerk innovating.

Now I understand that some didn't participate because of religious reasons .. errr .. moral reasons .. don't jerk off the customer! But I also feel some of it was a dinosaurian approach. The common argument of the day was "Circle jerk traffic is worthless." I can tell you for a fact that it wasn't worthless .. at first it was difficult to achieve the same signup ratios as non-CJ sites but in time, we were able to get the same ratios. Millions of dollars were made and "empires"
started. Some of the major players are HUGE but somewhat silent players now .. preferring to work on their latest marvels in semi-obscurity rather than risk being copied from.

ldinternet · 10-16-2001, 12:40 PM

Apparently, WorldSex was started with Circle Jerk traffic. Look at that baby now... the world's second largest adult page with 1,800,000 unique visitors per day, and growing.

Okay so it's not exactly a multi-million dollar paysite empire as you're hinting at... but doubters can look at it this way: WorldSex.com now feeds this industy with hundreds of thousands of dollars in paysite revenue each and every year.

ldinternet · 10-16-2001, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Colin:
The humorous part to me was that the industry could be ROUGHLY divided by the length of time they had been in the industry. The players that had been around a little while and the very new players of which it was the very new players that seemed to do all the circle jerk innovating.

Ahhh... I get it now. TGP2: the obsession.

ADL Colin · 10-16-2001, 12:46 PM

LD. Heh

It's like .. some sort of invasion.

UnseenWorld · 10-16-2001, 12:46 PM

Does making money at something automatically make it right?

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harvey · 10-16-2001, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld:
Does making money at something automatically make it right?

Er... yes? (unless you work for hobby)

Mikey · 10-16-2001, 08:58 PM

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Does making money at something automatically make it right?

As long as it is legal and morally ethical (which we all know porn is) then yes.

Red7 · 10-16-2001, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by ldinternet:
Apparently, WorldSex was started with Circle Jerk traffic. Look at that baby now... the world's second largest adult page with 1,800,000 unique visitors per day, and growing.

Okay so it's not exactly a multi-million dollar paysite empire as you're hinting at... but doubters can look at it this way: WorldSex.com now feeds this industy with hundreds of thousands of dollars in paysite revenue each and every year.

Yes i used to trade With "Cor" many years back when -he-she?--LOL was at 200k daily, back in thse days you made 10X what you make now! Those were the days! now it is like pulling teeth to make sales. well back then it was 50% or so CJ links then the rest were galleries, Cor had her own premade galleries back then and a pay site called hotteensex or what ever it was.

In Short TGP is not what it used to be! now you pay a shit laod in bandwidth verses sign ups.

ADL Colin · 10-17-2001, 08:14 AM

Red7,

Someone should do something about that!

UnseenWorld · 10-17-2001, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by harvey:
Er... yes? (unless you work for hobby)

So, if you make money as a hit man (and don't do it as a hobby), then being a hit man is right(?). I can't seem to find your logic.

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UnseenWorld · 10-17-2001, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Mikey:
As long as it is legal and morally ethical (which we all know porn is) then yes.

As if there were no illegal & unethical way to do porn.

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10-16-2001, 11:03 AM	#1
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	Why newbies are so damned right sometimes! I wrote this in 1999. Read paragraph 3 in particular. "This business changes fast. In 3 short years I have seen many many site models come and go. Link sites, link exchanges, Top 50's, circle jerks, pic posts, thumbposts, straight sites, niche sites, search engine spams, and on and on. While some things remain relatively constant .. such as the popularity of link sites .. other things change .. such as click through percentage and signup rates. When I first started for example, click through rates were much higher for a site's top banner and sign up ratios were MUCH better. When the top 50/ circle jerk craze many of the "old timers" (pre-1996 webmasters) refused to participate for a variety of reasons one of which was that they believed the CJ industry was short lived. Well, a lot of us "circle jerkers" agreed with that in both private conversations and in public but our point was this: We could take advantage of the then very easy CJ money and use the capital for further investments and expansion capital. The humorous part to me was that the industry could be ROUGHLY divided by the length of time they had been in the industry. The players that had been around a little while and the very new players of which it was the very new players that seemed to do all the circle jerk innovating. Now I understand that some didn't participate because of religious reasons .. errr .. moral reasons .. don't jerk off the customer! But I also feel some of it was a dinosaurian approach. The common argument of the day was "Circle jerk traffic is worthless." I can tell you for a fact that it wasn't worthless .. at first it was difficult to achieve the same signup ratios as non-CJ sites but in time, we were able to get the same ratios. Millions of dollars were made and "empires" started. Some of the major players are HUGE but somewhat silent players now .. preferring to work on their latest marvels in semi-obscurity rather than risk being copied from.

10-16-2001, 12:40 PM	#2
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	Apparently, WorldSex was started with Circle Jerk traffic. Look at that baby now... the world's second largest adult page with 1,800,000 unique visitors per day, and growing. Okay so it's not exactly a multi-million dollar paysite empire as you're hinting at... but doubters can look at it this way: WorldSex.com now feeds this industy with hundreds of thousands of dollars in paysite revenue each and every year.

10-16-2001, 12:46 PM	#4
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	LD. Heh It's like .. some sort of invasion.

10-16-2001, 12:46 PM	#5
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Does making money at something automatically make it right? ------------------ Check out the new teen/young woman content at Wonders of the Unseen World

10-17-2001, 08:14 AM	#9
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	Red7, Someone should do something about that!