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Well I have your solution Mr Hun:=)
Make your own counter and you do what you wish with it and make all the tgps that post to you use it! problem solved! |
yup...
it's just like when i was a kid and my parents would always get pizzas with mushrooms on it. they'd say u can't taste mushrooms. begs the question of putting the mushrooms on in the first place, doesn't it? nice analogy, huh?! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif |
Wow...did anyone just notice that The Hun came out and said something...fuck
im honoured man! (bowing to hun) LOL |
Wolfshade, a blind link is a blind link, period. I don't know where you get your stats from, but I did a little test. The hits to the sextracker counter on my page (which is clearly identified as a counter and 'cause I'm in the top 3 a lot less blind then their regular counter) and I got 10 clicks in the first 10 minutes. I can see how much clicks they get now with this script.
I'll do some closer testing. 5 clicks on a blind banner on a gallery that gets 50K uniques is bullshit. Or the traffic is very bad. Or the counter is hidden away on the bottom of your page. But there are galleries out there with the counter right above or right below the gallery content itself, those get a lot of traffic. The amount of traffic they get isn't even the point here. It's blind advertising. And it's screwing people with blind ads, dialers, autobookmark scripts and homepage changers (like described in my previous post). And that to me is a big deal |
It almost irritates me to see TGPs telling me what sponsors I can/can't use, what counters I can/can't use, etc, etc... BUT golden rule comes into play - Don't like it, submit somewhere else. So if hun says he wants respectable/no counters on my galleries, off they go. I simply enjoy getting 100k hits to one gallery listing and making 7-10 sales..
Hopefully the TGP2 revolution will continue to grow and all these galleries I'm making will be very profitable down the road when there are TGP2's with a few hundred thousand a day to send. Cheers ------------------
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Well am confused.
hun what counter's do you accept please, if any? Like am going to get a gallery listed by you. Jim |
At the moment I'm not declining much galleries 'cause of the counters. I'm also not banning any counters in particular. I think that would go too far. With this discussion I'm hoping to get some feedback from the counter companies about this issue though. I see how many clicks the non-blind counter get on my page. I'm sure there is a nice compromise that will work for everybody
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Ok, a bit of info on how I came to those figures
The traffic came from Easy Pic Ahme And I managed to dig up some logs on a gallery I had on the yelow pages. Since it was traffic from your archives it was not the 100k a freshly listed gallery got but still 10k total from yoru archives isn't bad http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif Although since you mentioned it Quote:
And BTW those buttons were in teh TOP spot http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif Anyway you say 10 clicks in 10 minutes, how much traffic in those 10 minutes? On another note nothing bad about the Amateur pages program but you do list galleries with those pic ads from Lensmans proggy. So there appears to be a difference in blind ads and blind ads eh? Let's not call eachother pussy here facts are that 1 You have the longest list of blacklisted sponsors 2 The longest list of blacklisted freehosts I don't think it is right for any siteowner(TGP, TOPLIST, LINKSITE, PAYSITE or whatever site) to try to impose their rules upon the rest simply because you get a lot of hits. It realy is of no consequence to me whatever your rules are I just won't submit anymore to TGP's with insane rules. There are still a lot left with good common sense rules and a decent amount of traffic. It just annoys me to read another post about a traffic monger trying to force his rules and that is what you do, no matter what you want to call it. Like I said before I'm doing TGP2 which does more with the little traffic it gets then any TGP sending 100k a day. This just annoys me is all http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected] |
the good thing about hun though is you get notified if you get listed... otherwize, the only way I have unless going ot every tgps I submit to is my counter stats..
I mean, otherwize, how would i know I got 150K to one gallery, and only 4 signups... or i got 40k, and 20 signups... I gotta know where it's from.. |
"On another note nothing bad about the Amateur pages program but you do list galleries with those pic ads from Lensmans proggy.". Those 'picturebanners' as they're called were banned by me the minute they came out. Lensman will confirm that. Please don't call out things that ain't true Wolfshade...
I have no "insane" rules. Unless you call having a little respect and business ethics "insane". |
Hun,
Last responce to this thread. That last statement is either not true or your reviewing faulty as I saw several of those LAST week freshly listed on your Yellow pages. I'm not making this up I saw what I saw maybe it was a mistake on yoru part but I saw at least 3 of those type of galleries. Maybe they slipped through the cracks or where altered after getting listed but facts are I saw them there. If it was a mistake though I apologise for the remark I made earlier. Then again I could switch the topic of that Napster of porn gallery thing you still list http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/tongue.gif (Hehe messing wit hya here, allthough you do still list those.) Bottom line do what you want I'm venting my opinion just liek you do http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected] |
wolfshade, the hun did ban those picture banners! so u must have saw some that slipped thru the cracks!
hun, what trackers can we use? is paycounter ok? |
I think you guys are missing the point. The Hun said that he was NOT banning galleries based on the counters (yet). He wants a discussion about the tactics used by counter companies to force clicks on the counters.
Personally, I use a counter on most of the galleries I post. It's not invisible, but it's not right up there with the thumbs either. I don't say "only a counter, don't click" as that is against the TOS of the counter itself. As far as I know, there is only one TGP that currently doesn't list a site with a counter. For them I use a server side script just so I can see if they linked the gallery or not. They don't send any confirmations so I need to know if I'm wasting my time by posting there. Simple. The reason I don't use that script on every gallery and leave it at that is two-fold. 1)The logs grow at an insane rate when listed at several places at once. 2)It's a load on the server that I don't want on every page even though it's a php script. Some counters don't load, some are slow, some break etc. I put the counter at the bottom of the page, so if it doesn't load, the page loads anyway even though the icon is still spinning, the surfer can click the links etc. I know exactly how many clicks I get on that counter...it's nowhere near 10 in 10 minutes, even with a nice listing on The Hun's site. It's more like 30 or 40 a month, while averaging 100-150k uniques a day. I think many of The Hun's concerns can be addressed by placing the counter in a location such that it doesn't look like a part of your gallery. If it looks like a thumb and it's near the other thumbs, it will get clicks. While I applaud The Hun's one man campaign to clean up the way people advertise, I also think he needs to realize it's their decision to do so. If he doesn't like it, he can take his remedies (and he does) and it's up to you if you want to play by his rules or not. I also know that if YOU take the measures necessary to avoid what The Hun doesn't like, you can get listed using almost any sponsor. His sandbox, his rules, but he also recognizes legitimate efforts to make a dollar. ------------------ Make BANK with these Babes! The Webmaster's Folder The Midnight TGP2 Submitter |
I don't understand why everyone does't use Stats4All... They are a small round image and give the info that you need.
Dunno..... |
Ludedude, thanks for the clarification! i worded my question wrong. i was just wondering if paycounter would be ok if the ban takes effect.
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sasush, what's the url? do they have prive stats?
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Yo hun you suck and I saw u at the fucking webmaster convention in amsterdam.. u r so ugly man!! couldnt blieve that there actually this motherfucking ugly bitches out there
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Hun and me might not always see eye to eye I do respect his opinons as he obviously does mine. Discussion is good, so is arguing. Debate can be heated that is fine too. Everybody is entitled to his/her opnion but flames like this are never called for. It's sad realy sad! Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected] |
HQ,
The url is http://www.stats4all.com . They don't have private stats http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif But why do you need private stats on a gallery?? I personally don't use counters. I just check my sign ups http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif |
thx sasush,
i want private stats to hide all my secrets of course! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif fuck it, maybe i'll just write my own. i've been meaning to do that forever now. |
Hm... would have been nice if that guy would have walked up to me in Amsterdam to tell me that. At least then we could compare uglyness to see if he's right ;-)
Anyway, the non-blind SexTracker counter on my site got 1484 clicks yesterday. That's not counting a full day (missed about 2 hours or so). I'll write some regular submitters to see if we can do the same test on a counter. What I'm trying to find out is if there's really no way for counter companies to make money on a non-blind counter. After all, they do have their webmaster ads (SexTracker sends out this newsletter with ads, which is a good service and a good way to make money), so I don't think they need those blind ads to survive... |
Greetings, one and all
Duck! There's a newbie in the house! LMAO Okay, sorry for that outburst. Okay, I'm here because Hun recommended that I come here to read this discussion about the bind banners. I now understand the problem. But there is something that I've missed--the solution. I want my galleries listed on The Hun's Yellow Pages--what do I have to do? I'd like a counter to track my stats and referrals, if possible. Additionally, I use free hosts. Direct, and I shall follow. To me, it is a small price for me to pay to submit a good quality gallery for listing in trade for the massive amount of traffic I get--more than fair if you ask me. Hell, I'll bend over backwards for a trade like this, y'all. Hun, please advise. Thank you, and hope to learn alot from you all. Take care. Kindest regards, RajinCajun |
Will bumped it!
counters do suck with the ads. but for hundreds of pages what else do you do? :smokin |
So, let me get this straight..counters are bad because they are blind links... but the ad space you sell to Exclusive "Young" Teens and "Buffy the Doggy Fucker" ads are all good...
You live in a strange strange world Mr. Hun. You say that Sextracker, in your mind, doesn't need blind links to survive...unfortunately your choice of ads doesn't seem to fall into your same category of business ethics and righteousness. |
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