That's very true, being able to figure out if there is a higher power at work (fate, religion, whatever a person wants to interpret it as) is probably not something that's possible to figure out. But we all have our interpretations :)

WG

of course i do :)

happens only once tho

That sounds pretty interesting, know any good books on Chaos Theory?

What do you mean by that?

The only thing that limits us is our minds, not our genes or our environment.

They simply represent the MOST LIKELY outcomes from infinite possibilities, but we know the possibilities to overcome genetics and environment exist because we see examples of them every day so NOTHING is set in stone.

We are actors who make up our own scripts and direct the action and students who are learning about life 24/7 and everything we do or say or think no matter good or bad big or small contributes positively to that process. :)

That makes me think of two Rush songs.

Limelight - "All the world's indeed a stage
And we are merely players
Performers and portrayers
Each another's audience
Outside the gilded cage"

and pretty much all the lyrics from Freewill. :2 cents:

Not really, I just like hanging out around scientists, so some of their knowledge rubs off on me whether I want it to or not.

So genetics play no role in who a person is to become? I'm sorry, but you're disagreeing with what modern biology and psychology are discovering then. We have basic temperments that are genetically determined. Some people are determined to be violent, some are determined to be thoughtful, some are determined to be sluts, etc. Genetics isn't everything, but it is one of the major players.

While for the most part I agree with you on the genetics stance, I don't agree 100%. I think that anyone, regardless of their background, can do pretty much anything they want. I know of people who came from extremely wealthy and privelaged families and ended up in prison or on the streets or whatever, and I know of people who came from nothing, with all odds stacked against them, who made millions of dollars and are real success stories. :2 cents:

Rush fan? My all time favorite band!

All preordained? A prisoner in Chains.
A victim of venemous fate

50 believers

Rush kicks ass. :thumbsup

Then you're arguing for environmental and memetic pressure rather then genetic predisposition. My wife's mother is a good example. Her mom was just born mean. She's been a bitch her entire life, but her grandmother wasn't a bitch and tried her best to provide a good home. There was nothing her grandmother could have done to make her mother a nicer person.

I do see your point, but I think that if she really wanted to not be a bitch anymore, then she could do it. :2 cents:

Yeh i recon that things happen for reasons, there not random.

Is that idea something she can seriously entertain?

Yes.

I also believe some of us have spirits on the other side that are our guides and protectors.

I really think that if she wanted to, she could catch herself being a bitch and do something to stop it.

I don't know. That would be hard to argue and prove either way.

I think Chaos Theory, Genetics, Cosmology etc are really amazing subjects to discover some more about how the world works. :thumbsup

I didn't say that Genetics play no role. I think our genes represent a blueprint of the most likely outcomes. It is not 100% guaranteed that we will outpicture what is in our genes.

For example, if both parents died of cancer. Precluding smoking, living next to power lines etc it is likely that you will develop cancer at some point. However even if you carry that particular mutated gene it is not an absolute certain death sentence that you will die of cancer.

You can make changes in your lifestyle to improve your health, think positive, try new drugs etc that could greatly reduce or even eliminate that MOST LIKELY possibility.

I think all of us do but most people go through their whole lives rarely listening to their intuitive side so it might as well not exist for them. :yinyang

Do you read Sylvia Brown?

I used to a lot, but the last couple years have began to make me have my doubts. Seems like I have no luck with men.

I have.

I agree.

I read most of her books. They fascinate me...

Wecan do a choice....but sume things must happen with us....it's difficultly to express by words.....I think everyone feels that simply has happened, and that is not simple so.....it's just my Opinion

I was waiting for someone to bring up the "intuative side" Some could say that's our "protectors" or "guides" or you could say it's your own head.

I know I've finally learned after 32 years to listen to that little voice that is telling me whether something is a good idea or not. If I had done that more over the years I may have avoided many costly and traumatic mistakes.

:thumbsup

I have seen her several times on Montel. She recommends this book, a classic on the subject to learn more about OBE's, non-physical stuff etc.

St Augustine. More or less.

Maybe fate can be pre-determined by 2 factors such as; causation and effect! Other variables can be added into the causation and effect like genes, nature etc etc


i.e say you meet a girl/boy and think you want to have sex with her/him etc, the causation for this could be animal attraction. ones persona of finding a suitable mating partner etc

The effect could be sex or no sex but also could lead into marriage etc

The possibilties are endless!

My :2 cents: worth :)

I do. I believe that just as the physical world is something we have no control over (for example, the way you look is a function of your genes), we also don't have control over our destiny's (or the "non-physical world").

I believe our destiny is already 'written'. That doesn't mean you throw in the towel because you can't change anything. None of us know what are destiny is, so it's actually inspiring to plug away as hard as you can to see where you end up.

But none of us will ever really know.

That just isn't logical to me and I would kill myself right now if that were true. Why would you bother trying to achieve anything in life if your efforts could not change your future?

The result would be the same if you made an effort or sat on your ass.

Then again I wouldn't be able to kill myself as I would have no control over my destiny right? Or if I did kill myself it must have already been "written" ? :winkwink:

Whenever I think about stuff like that it drives me crazy.

to a certain extent i believe in fate yes

yes i believe in FATE