re: The pedo gettin beating up thread

[moneybiz]

Reading that post and drinking my heineken made me think. If child molestors and rapest choose to get castrated rather then serve prision time, do you think they could be let back into society? Or is it all in the mind?

[Twe Russ]

[media]

No because sexual predatory behavior not only includes using your penis, but other objects, and it is more than most cases a issue of power as well..

So castration will only work if they have a problem keeping their penis in their pants..

[Screaming]

i think it a little of both, and a large part in the mind

[iwantchixx]

they still have fingers and mouths. not all molestations involve their penis.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by moneybiz
Reading that post and drinking my heineken made me think. If child molestors and rapest choose to get castrated rather then serve prision time, do you think they could be let back into society? Or is it all in the mind?

They've actually experimented with this (chemical castration instead of physical, ofcourse), and it did work quite well.

[media]

Also, females molest and victemize children as well, though not as well documented as cases involving males, it does happen frequently...

[Libertine]

Originally posted by media
No because sexual predatory behavior not only includes using your penis, but other objects, and it is more than most cases a issue of power as well..

So castration will only work if they have a problem keeping their penis in their pants..

Actually, chemical castration leads to killing off someone's entire sex drive, which takes away their desire to do sexual things.

[pornguy]

therefore chemical castration would work. If they don't want to do anything sexual, then they are no dangerous to kids.

[media]

Originally posted by punkworld
Actually, chemical castration leads to killing off someone's entire sex drive, which takes away their desire to do sexual things.

Very true, but also, the whole power thing has to be dealt with.. Really its a tough thing because like all meds, they work different person to person, so I do not think it could a answer all solution..

[Libertine]

Originally posted by media
Very true, but also, the whole power thing has to be dealt with.. Really its a tough thing because like all meds, they work different person to person, so I do not think it could a answer all solution..

The power thing actually is very strongly correlated with hormones. Take away someone's testosteron, and his desire for power will almost completely disappear.

Humans are but simple animals, controlled by hormones and instincts

[media]

Originally posted by punkworld
The power thing actually is very strongly correlated with hormones. Take away someone's testosteron, and his desire for power will almost completely disappear.

Humans are but simple animals, controlled by hormones and instincts

I'm not sure man, I know a few doctors that might argue with this as well. Your amigdula and cortex can hold alot of crazy things that some people would say are not able to be controlled by hormones, but more of a mixture of other sedative drugs and mood altering things in conjunctoin with serious mental reprogramming.. Like I said, I don't think it would be the end all solution..

[Kevsh]

Originally posted by punkworld
The power thing actually is very strongly correlated with hormones. Take away someone's testosteron, and his desire for power will almost completely disappear.

Humans are but simple animals, controlled by hormones and instincts

It's not anywhere near that simple. Pedophilia and other sexually-related illnesses of the mind can be driven by the need for power and control but also fear, insecurity, sexual immaturity and so on.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by media
I'm not sure man, I know a few doctors that might argue with this as well. Your amigdula and cortex can hold alot of crazy things that some people would say are not able to be controlled by hormones, but more of a mixture of other sedative drugs and mood altering things in conjunctoin with serious mental reprogramming.. Like I said, I don't think it would be the end all solution..

Well, it is quite possible that the research I'm basing my claims on is contradicted by other research, I won't deny that. Still, it's a fact that hormones do have a big effect, even if it doesn't explain everything.
So, I'd say this possibility definitely deserves more studies

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Kevsh
It's not anywhere near that simple. Pedophilia and other sexually-related illnesses of the mind can be driven by the need for power and control but also fear, insecurity, sexual immaturity and so on.

But one could argue, as it is often done, that at the basis of all those things are a few relatively simple physical processes, which can be largely altered by the right combination of drugs/hormones.

[Libertine]

100% effectivity: http://www.law.uh.edu/healthlawpersp...5Pedophil.html
When used as a mandatory condition of parole (6), chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% (6) to 2% (1).: http://inst.santafe.cc.fl.us/~bkramer/chemical.htm
More: http://www.google.nl/search?q=sex+of...en-US:official

[media]

Originally posted by punkworld
100% effectivity: http://www.law.uh.edu/healthlawpersp...5Pedophil.html
When used as a mandatory condition of parole (6), chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% (6) to 2% (1).: http://inst.santafe.cc.fl.us/~bkramer/chemical.htm
More: http://www.google.nl/search?q=sex+of...en-US:official

Though that study seems pretty good, it still leaves 2% of the convicted pedophile population open to commit, also, this study was only based on a short term study. I would be more convinced had they done a study for 10-20 years, and then give findings.. How many people stopped going in to the doctor as required, how many of those people used other drugs that could counteract the chemicals used in the chemical castration.

How many of those people fell out of contact with government officials.. basing findings on 30 people is not very accurate..

In california alone:
According to a report made to the California Legislature in July 2002 entitled California's Sex Offender Information?Megan's Law, the state had more than 93,000 registered sex offenders as of December 31, 2001. Based on past criminal convictions, slightly less than 81 percent were classified as serious offenders with 2 percent designated as high risk.

So if chemical castration was administered to all of these registered offenders, then at a fail rate of 2% that would leave approximately 1860 of those offenders possibly open to commit more sex crimes, abductions, or murders.

Lets put this on a national level, imagine we multiply that number x 50 just for shits and giggles, it won't be addurate, but it will illustrate a point.

You would have 4,650,000 sexual offenders, That will leave 93,000 sexual predators open to being able to commit a crime again based on the fail rate. That to me is not a end all solution, and is far from 100% safe.

Lets not forget also that this is for CONVICTED people.. not even the lunatics that are still on the streets able to harm kids who are untreated and not locked up.

Its pretty shocking to think that in my area alone there are 40+ sexual predators that are out on the streets... who are at risk of relapsing and commiting more crimes..

[Libertine]

Originally posted by media
Though that study seems pretty good, it still leaves 2% of the convicted pedophile population open to commit, also, this study was only based on a short term study. I would be more convinced had they done a study for 10-20 years, and then give findings.. How many people stopped going in to the doctor as required, how many of those people used other drugs that could counteract the chemicals used in the chemical castration.

How many of those people fell out of contact with government officials.. basing findings on 30 people is not very accurate..

In california alone:
According to a report made to the California Legislature in July 2002 entitled California's Sex Offender Information?Megan's Law, the state had more than 93,000 registered sex offenders as of December 31, 2001. Based on past criminal convictions, slightly less than 81 percent were classified as serious offenders with 2 percent designated as high risk.

So if chemical castration was administered to all of these registered offenders, then at a fail rate of 2% that would leave approximately 1860 of those offenders possibly open to commit more sex crimes, abductions, or murders.

Lets put this on a national level, imagine we multiply that number x 50 just for shits and giggles, it won't be addurate, but it will illustrate a point.

You would have 4,650,000 sexual offenders, That will leave 93,000 sexual predators open to being able to commit a crime again based on the fail rate. That to me is not a end all solution, and is far from 100% safe.

Lets not forget also that this is for CONVICTED people.. not even the lunatics that are still on the streets able to harm kids who are untreated and not locked up.

Its pretty shocking to think that in my area alone there are 40+ sexual predators that are out on the streets... who are at risk of relapsing and commiting more crimes..

Actually, with an improvement from just 25% to 98% on a relatively new type of drug, an end all solution is within reach - as long as you combine it with some other measures. You see, if you combine the drugs with a good selection process and don't let those with a high risk of recidive out of prison, you can reduce recidive even more. Now, you'll never get to 0% recidive, but at something like 0.1%, it's become an acceptable risk to society (the only alternative combining economic viability with extremely low risk).
And don't forget, the drugs will only get more and more effective.

Edit: ofcourse, it doesn't solve the problem of first time offenders, but then again, nothing does.
And, furthermore, even thoughthis was just one study, more have been done, and even though not all effects are known yet, we do know that this is getting really, really good results so far.