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Theo · 12-16-2004, 10:38 AM

No student loans for phone or MP3 owners

A Shanghai university says students who own cell phones or other extravagant products wouldn't be allowed to apply for government tuition grants or loans - a rule that has triggered great controversy among students.

Starting this semester, Donghua University announced that needy students owning products such as cell phones, computers and MP3 players aren't entitled to the national tuition grant of 6,000 yuan (US$723) each year. Grant applicants who are found to own such high-priced toys will be asked to stop using them or give up their grants.

The regulations don't cover students who are preparing to graduate, however, as cell phones are needed during job hunting, Donghua officials said.

"We should stick to the fair play principle to ensure that all grants are given to those who really need them," said Wang Kebin, director of Donghua's student affairs department.

The city has allocated more than 29.44 million yuan in grants to 44,209 local needy university students this year. About 7,500 students enjoyed a tuition exemption, totaling 21.78 million yuan, according to the Shanghai Education Commission.

Normally, students who submit an application would be given a tuition grant after passing an assessment by teachers and fellow students. This year, a student from a single-parent family was expelled from the grant beneficiary list after he refused to give up his cell phone, Donghua said.

"Since the grant is set up to aid study, it is for sure that the money should be spent on the study or daily necessities rather than any other extravagances," Wang said. He added that cell phones and MP3 players are by no means essential for non-graduate students.

The phone-or-grant rule has run into opposition from many students, parents and other universities. "It's unfair for cell phone owners to be deprived of grant opportunities," said Zhu Lin, a local university student. "Cell phones are not rare among students, as they also need to communicate with the outside world."

Shen Minghua from Fudan University's student affairs department, said that students should have the freedom to spend the grants as they see fit. "What if the MP3 player was sent by a relative as a gift or students used their own part-time job income to buy a cell phone."

Wiggles · 12-16-2004, 10:39 AM

thats a pretty crazy ruling, but i guess it makes sense.

Theo · 12-16-2004, 10:40 AM

yeah somehow

Paco, of Large Cash. · 12-16-2004, 10:47 AM

Take into consideration the fact that there are over billion people, I can see the reasoning.

Also, if a person has items of luxury, are they truly needy [?], or just cheap and too lazy to get a job for the summer so to save for tuition.

foxylady · 12-16-2004, 12:40 PM

too bad for them

psili · 12-16-2004, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash.
Take into consideration the fact that there are over billion people, I can see the reasoning.

Also, if a person has items of luxury, are they truly needy [?], or just cheap and too lazy to get a job for the summer so to save for tuition.

Exactly.

chowda · 12-16-2004, 12:44 PM

i love it. im gonna do business there in 05.

groark · 12-16-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by chowda
i love it. im gonna do business there in 05.

Yeah, with it's growing number of internet users, I expect a lot of chinese traffic in the next years..

chowda · 12-16-2004, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by groark
Yeah, with it's growing number of internet users, I expect a lot of chinese traffic in the next years..

nothing online.. offline mainstream importing stuff..

liquidmoe · 12-16-2004, 12:53 PM

Pretty harsh but at the same time makes sense, I wouldn't mind if the American system had a few more stringent and clear cut guidelines for tuition subsidies, would have made my life so much easier, or better yet, I should have just moved to a more socialist nation and had the majority of my tuition covered regardless.

OzMan · 12-16-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by chowda
nothing online.. offline mainstream importing stuff..

Cool... I am dabbling in Mainstream there.

Can you speak Chinese?
Was it very complicated to get set up as an importer?

chowda · 12-16-2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by OzMan
Cool... I am dabbling in Mainstream there.

Can you speak Chinese?
Was it very complicated to get set up as an exporter?

i speak cantonese, so its different than mandarin.

i have family that already does it, so i just follow some basic procedures..

also, having a 10yr visa there helps me more than alot of business travelers.

crockett · 12-16-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash.
Take into consideration the fact that there are over billion people, I can see the reasoning.

Also, if a person has items of luxury, are they truly needy [?], or just cheap and too lazy to get a job for the summer so to save for tuition.

yea but is a computer really a luxury item these days.. I'd almost think for a college student it would be a necessity.

JohnnyUtah · 12-16-2004, 01:00 PM

They shoulda said no loan to any chinks who own cameras...
They woulda kept 100% of the money...

Paco, of Large Cash. · 12-16-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe
I should have just moved to a more socialist nation and had the majority of my tuition covered regardless.

If you do not mind being heavily taxed.

Pornwolf · 12-16-2004, 01:10 PM

Is there a way to monetize Chinese internat traffic? I was under the impression that it is a lost hope.

chowda · 12-16-2004, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
Is there a way to monetize Chinese internat traffic? I was under the impression that it is a lost hope.

sell ringtones, games.

OzMan · 12-16-2004, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chowda
i speak cantonese, so its different than mandarin.

i have family that already does it, so i just follow some basic procedures..

also, having a 10yr visa there helps me more than alot of business travelers.

I am currently learning Mandarin. ...yeah I think the standard visas are like 6 months.

spamofon · 12-16-2004, 02:18 PM

makes fuckign sense

i saw people driving a jaguar and on welfare at same time

so it is all good

Theo · 12-16-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by spamofon
makes fuckign sense

i saw people driving a jaguar and on welfare at same time

so it is all good

in a rap videoclip?

axelcat · 12-16-2004, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spamofon
makes fuckign sense

i saw people driving a jaguar and on welfare at same time

so it is all good

Weve got a lot of those in los angeles

AdultNex · 12-16-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by spamofon
makes fuckign sense

i saw people driving a jaguar and on welfare at same time

so it is all good

MTV showed a documentary where Old Dirty Bastard (may he rest in peace) drove up to a welfare center in a limo to get his welfare check.

VeriSexy · 12-16-2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by AdultNex
MTV showed a documentary where Old Dirty Bastard (may he rest in peace) drove up to a welfare center in a limo to get his welfare check.

WTF, what a messed up system..........

iFliPcEss · 12-16-2004, 02:55 PM

it makes sense, come to think of it, china is a well known producer of celfones especially nokia, and new models cost around $400 or sumthin, and some of them got it, so it means they dont need that $723/ year if they can afford such luxury

tony286 · 12-16-2004, 02:55 PM

boy they are tough

Ecstasy Glass · 12-16-2004, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JohnnyUtah
They shoulda said no loan to any chinks who own cameras...
They woulda kept 100% of the money...

spamofon · 12-16-2004, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
in a rap videoclip?

NO IN A JEWISH AREA

sean416 · 12-16-2004, 05:33 PM

thats pretty crazy, but it almost makes sense.

12-16-2004, 10:38 AM	#1
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	You gotta love China No student loans for phone or MP3 owners A Shanghai university says students who own cell phones or other extravagant products wouldn't be allowed to apply for government tuition grants or loans - a rule that has triggered great controversy among students. Starting this semester, Donghua University announced that needy students owning products such as cell phones, computers and MP3 players aren't entitled to the national tuition grant of 6,000 yuan (US$723) each year. Grant applicants who are found to own such high-priced toys will be asked to stop using them or give up their grants. The regulations don't cover students who are preparing to graduate, however, as cell phones are needed during job hunting, Donghua officials said. "We should stick to the fair play principle to ensure that all grants are given to those who really need them," said Wang Kebin, director of Donghua's student affairs department. The city has allocated more than 29.44 million yuan in grants to 44,209 local needy university students this year. About 7,500 students enjoyed a tuition exemption, totaling 21.78 million yuan, according to the Shanghai Education Commission. Normally, students who submit an application would be given a tuition grant after passing an assessment by teachers and fellow students. This year, a student from a single-parent family was expelled from the grant beneficiary list after he refused to give up his cell phone, Donghua said. "Since the grant is set up to aid study, it is for sure that the money should be spent on the study or daily necessities rather than any other extravagances," Wang said. He added that cell phones and MP3 players are by no means essential for non-graduate students. The phone-or-grant rule has run into opposition from many students, parents and other universities. "It's unfair for cell phone owners to be deprived of grant opportunities," said Zhu Lin, a local university student. "Cell phones are not rare among students, as they also need to communicate with the outside world." Shen Minghua from Fudan University's student affairs department, said that students should have the freedom to spend the grants as they see fit. "What if the MP3 player was sent by a relative as a gift or students used their own part-time job income to buy a cell phone."

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